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Core on 86th floor of Tower 1 was "blown out" following 1st hit
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According to phone call from WTC1 worker Jim Gartenberg--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSVsid7eKE

That's a bit odd since the lowest floor of the outer "impact" area was floor 94:


Even if we assume "the plane" went in at a downwards angle, it's impossible that the core of the 86th floor would be impacted:


It's very hard to believe that the crash led to some sort of internal collapse of the core that went down to the 86th floor, given the complete disintegration of the "plane" as it went in (officially).

All in all, this strongly suggests a bombing of the tower from inside.
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  -Core on 86th floor of Tower 1 was "blown out" following 1st hit spooked911  Oct-06-08 07:22 AM   #0 
  - nice find spooked!! thanks n/t  seatnineb   Oct-06-08 01:57 PM   #1 
  - Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum...  Texas Explorer   Oct-06-08 07:41 PM   #2 
  - So he survived massive demo charges in close proximity?  hack89   Oct-06-08 07:44 PM   #3 
     - You have no credibility in this discussion. I've told you that before.  Texas Explorer   Oct-06-08 07:52 PM   #4 
     - I know it is hard having your stupidity revealed  hack89   Oct-06-08 08:03 PM   #7 
        - I'm stupid?  Texas Explorer   Oct-06-08 08:14 PM   #9 
        - You run away from hard questions - perhaps coward is more appropriate. nt  hack89   Oct-06-08 10:02 PM   #13 
           - oh so now TE is a coward and stupid ?? civility ??  number6   Oct-12-08 04:16 PM   #32 
              - There is a history here you are not aware of  hack89   Oct-12-08 05:42 PM   #33 
        - some of you proudly display your stupidity over and over again...  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-08-08 12:04 PM   #24 
        - civlity ??  number6   Oct-12-08 04:05 PM   #31 
     - So you are saying  deconstruct911   May-24-10 08:31 PM   #82 
        - Jeez...  Subdivisions   May-25-10 11:38 AM   #85 
           - I think you confused me.  deconstruct911   May-25-10 11:48 AM   #86 
              - Pehaps I did...  Subdivisions   May-25-10 12:01 PM   #87 
                 - How much energy do you think was transferred to the structure  hack89   May-25-10 09:16 PM   #88 
                    - Yes...  Subdivisions   May-25-10 10:28 PM   #89 
                    - No, that brick wall is called  LARED   May-25-10 10:44 PM   #90 
                    - Well, we all have our problems...  Subdivisions   May-25-10 11:26 PM   #91 
                       - True  LARED   May-26-10 05:36 AM   #95 
                    - Lets try something different  LARED   May-26-10 05:33 AM   #94 
                    - So what how much KE was there?  hack89   May-26-10 05:20 AM   #93 
  - Good work Spooked911  victordrazen   Oct-06-08 07:57 PM   #5 
  - Umm, VD....why wouldn't the hole be "plane-shaped"? n/t  SDuderstadt   Oct-06-08 07:58 PM   #6 
     - ummm, because aluminum doesn't slice through steel  victordrazen   Oct-06-08 09:42 PM   #10 
        - If aluminum can't slice through steel  William Seger   Oct-06-08 09:48 PM   #11 
        - I don't know.  victordrazen   Oct-06-08 11:13 PM   #15 
        - No, the animation was based on a physics-based simulation  William Seger   Oct-06-08 11:22 PM   #16 
        - except they were nonsense-- they didn't even mimic the actual damage  spooked911   Oct-07-08 06:49 AM   #19 
           - No  William Seger   Oct-07-08 08:56 AM   #21 
              - so it was just a freak chance that the tail sliced a large hole  spooked911   Oct-08-08 09:44 PM   #26 
                 - The designers of the building created the WTC towers to withstand a hit by a  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:11 AM   #37 
        - Where did you get the notion of "very thin aluminum"?  hack89   Oct-07-08 06:31 AM   #18 
           - Look at the crosssection, next time you board a plane  victordrazen   Oct-07-08 11:24 PM   #22 
           - It's like a human body  hack89   Oct-08-08 06:42 AM   #23 
              - except the wings were more like half-full beer cans  spooked911   Oct-08-08 09:38 PM   #25 
              - It is more useful than an empty beer car analogy  hack89   Oct-09-08 06:19 AM   #27 
              - Try to pay attention to what the designers of the WTC towers say  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:13 AM   #39 
                 - Show me their assumptions  hack89   Oct-31-08 08:12 PM   #47 
                    - Find it for yourself -- I'm not your aide --  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 09:44 PM   #50 
                       - This is more of D & P's willful ignorance on the topic....  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 10:12 PM   #52 
                       - I have always said that they were not jet fuel fires  hack89   Nov-01-08 07:34 AM   #58 
                          - You're in deep denial ... of even what Firefighters said..!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-01-08 03:17 PM   #60 
                             - The Madrid fire was hot enough to make the steel portions collapse  hack89   Nov-01-08 04:42 PM   #61 
           - Never happened - WTC towers were built to withstand not only one jet but  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:12 AM   #38 
        - Presumably, it was explosions set from within --  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:09 AM   #36 
        - Wasn't the plane shredded?  hack89   Oct-06-08 10:07 PM   #14 
           - If a plane flew into the WTC towers it would have have fallen to the ground --  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:15 AM   #40 
              - That makes no sense without some hard numbers  hack89   Oct-31-08 06:19 AM   #43 
              - If there was an aluminum jet -- not accompanied by a missile ...  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 09:38 PM   #49 
                 - And, of course, D & P doesn't tell you that...  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 10:14 PM   #53 
              - I take back what I said in a post in another thread....  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 11:55 AM   #46 
  - But there would be some damage  hack89   Oct-06-08 08:08 PM   #8 
  - First of all the angles of flight, the simultaneous hijacking of 4 planes ....  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:16 AM   #41 
  - "WTC towers were built to withstand"  PatrickSMcNally   Oct-31-08 06:29 AM   #44 
     - That's your own nonsensical daydream...designers built WTC to withstand  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 09:31 PM   #48 
        - It's beyond stupid to think a couple of firefighters....  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 10:17 PM   #54 
        - "designers built WTC to withstand"  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-01-08 03:55 AM   #57 
        - I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to say...  SDuderstadt   Nov-01-08 11:22 AM   #59 
        - Jeepers that was sloppy  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-01-08 07:27 PM   #62 
        - IF a plane actally hit the WTC towers ...  defendandprotect   Nov-01-08 10:30 PM   #65 
           - "WHAT THE DESIGNERS ARE REPEATEDLY MAKING CLEAR"  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-02-08 01:47 AM   #68 
              - Absolute nonsense ...  defendandprotect   Nov-02-08 08:43 AM   #69 
                 - "FIRE has never brought down a steel frame building"  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-02-08 06:46 PM   #71 
                    - It's even funnier  deconstruct911   May-24-10 09:22 PM   #83 
                       - You're both forgetting something..  KDLarsen   May-25-10 05:19 AM   #84 
        - "withstand a number of them flying into either tower ..."  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-01-08 07:43 PM   #63 
        - Of course not...  SDuderstadt   Nov-01-08 07:51 PM   #64 
        - Yes ..  defendandprotect   Nov-01-08 10:36 PM   #66 
           - "were designed to withstand MULTIPLE jets hitting them."  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-02-08 01:36 AM   #67 
              - You're word-playing ...  defendandprotect   Nov-02-08 08:53 AM   #70 
                 - "You're word-playing ..."  PatrickSMcNally   Nov-02-08 06:52 PM   #72 
                    - I'm saying that you're asking for info thst is widely known ...  defendandprotect   Nov-02-08 10:28 PM   #73 
                       - Typical D & P tactic....  SDuderstadt   Nov-03-08 01:22 PM   #74 
        - Small fires??  terrafirma   May-25-10 11:35 PM   #92 
  - You've invested a lot in the "plane" myths being spinned --  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 09:47 PM   #51 
     - It's obvious that D & P has no fucking idea how...  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 10:20 PM   #55 
  - What was "blown out"?  William Seger   Oct-06-08 09:52 PM   #12 
  - "Part of the core was blown out" is the quote  LARED   Oct-07-08 05:34 AM   #17 
  - His office was on the 86th floor...the same floor as the blown out core  seatnineb   Oct-12-08 05:47 AM   #28 
  - Related-- north tower had multiple explosions at same time of 2nd hit  spooked911   Oct-07-08 07:27 AM   #20 
  - I can't get the hi res video to play  Ohio Joe   Oct-12-08 10:03 AM   #29 
  - why would smoke "react" like that to an explosion in another building?  spooked911   Oct-12-08 03:43 PM   #30 
     - Why wouldn't it?  Ohio Joe   Oct-12-08 05:53 PM   #34 
  - Thanks for all the info -- bookmarking --  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:17 AM   #42 
  - In the reports about the "activity" in the WTC towers before 9/11 . . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-31-08 12:06 AM   #35 
  - "Presumably" = D & Pspeak for...  SDuderstadt   Oct-31-08 10:27 PM   #56 
  - You are assuming that core columns were cut that low.  boloboffin   Oct-31-08 07:33 AM   #45 
  - He said "part of the core of the building has been blown out".  MNReformer   Nov-09-08 10:27 PM   #75 
     - Which would be just as applicable if the drywall had been ripped loose substantially  boloboffin   Nov-10-08 04:29 AM   #76 
        - Why would the glass blow out?  MNReformer   Nov-10-08 03:14 PM   #77 
           - Who is talking about glass?  boloboffin   Nov-10-08 03:21 PM   #78 
              - He said the window glass blew OUT.  MNReformer   Nov-10-08 04:35 PM   #79 
                 - yeah, these guys have a habit of not answering questions  spooked911   Dec-08-08 06:31 AM   #80 
                    - "Yeah, these guys have a habit of not chasing straw men."  boloboffin   Dec-08-08 10:09 AM   #81 
  - Old thread inappropriately kicked  Lithos   May-26-10 06:13 AM   #96 
 

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