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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Dec-01-04 08:20 AM
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56. Thanks a lot for your detailed questions!
First of all I find it hard to understand that UA could hope to escape possible lawsuits if it doesn't confirm that UA 175 hit the WTC. If literally billion eyes saw it I think it's rather hard for UA to cover it up.
And as it is about billions of dollars certainly AA would have been cautious to confirm anyting as well, especially as for AA 11 it would have been much easier as it wasn't live on TV.
But what stresses the point that UA simply didn't know is not only the fact till they waited till basically all airplanes had landed before confirming the crash of UA 175 (but not giving any location)but also that UA lost contact to it's plane at 8:50 (see post 46). (The airline is in contact with the airplane normally. That's why btw Delta 1989 was asked to land at Cleveland).
Why there is a confusion between 77 and 175 I really don't know. It's simply strange strange. But see also my post that the manager of AA though 77 hit the WTC? So, what's goind on there?


Why did ABC not know about the details of the already long confirmed Flight 77?


I don't know. I chose ABC because they were slow. But NBC as shown only got it right just before 12:00.


American know Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? (/i]
As shown, no for some time they didn't know that. And don't forget all contact was lost to AA 77 at 8:56.

Was that information not part of the confirmation? Or did they just announce that it crashed, but not say where? Did they keep it a secret from ABC?

I didn't look specifically for AA confirmation because after the mix up between 77 and 175 everything was according to the official explanation but only 175 still an open question that's why I concentrated on this flight. And going through all the available material takes some time ...!





Is there still confusion about what happened to Flight 175?

I take it your questions is simply what I think?!

First of all in order to understand what happened on 911 I'd like to understand this issue as well (and no the 9:20 time given by CR is really really hard to believe especially if UA lost contact to 175). Maybe the unknown reason for all this could also be helpful to explain the absence of air defense.

Before answering I've to do some research myself. Right now I'd like to turn the question back to you if you don't mind:

What concrete proof do we have that UA 175 hit the WTC?

I don't mean circumstantial evidence but really concrete facts.
If UA lost contact then did the FAA really know what plane they were following? (sure, it didn't switch off the transponder but how come then that UA loses contact)

To make it clear I don't know an answer to this but would be happy to discuss it.
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  Flight 175: quite a mysterious flight ... John Doe II  Oct-08-04 05:29 AM   #0 
   UA 175 trajectory  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 09:40 AM   #1 
   Burnback interview.  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 10:36 AM   #2 
   BROOKLYN??????  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 12:24 PM   #3 
   Fair point.....  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 01:21 PM   #4 
      We all saw similar video (the plane appearing to go through)...  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 01:46 PM   #5 
         That you could see it from Brooklyn  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 02:42 PM   #6 
            But he could see that it had "no windows" from Brooklyn?  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 02:47 PM   #7 
               Excuse me  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 02:50 PM   #8 
                  I think it's a good question to ask...and one that deserves an answer.  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 06:32 PM   #11 
                     Good to hear  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 10:47 AM   #12 
                        Dulce's arguement is, I believe, unfounded.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:22 AM   #13 
                           No  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 11:28 AM   #14 
                              Again, the initial information was conflicting.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:37 AM   #15 
                                 Ok  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 11:45 AM   #16 
                                    Again, I agree it's a question that bears asking.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 12:00 PM   #17 
                                       Ok  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 12:12 PM   #18 
                                          I have no idea.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 10:52 PM   #21 
                                          It doesn't. Your question is clear and obvious. He has no answer for it.  stickdog   Oct-09-04 11:14 PM   #22 
                                             I'll go with a fifth option...  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:22 PM   #23 
   I'm still  MrSammo1   Nov-11-04 02:45 AM   #43 
   Rewriting history.  DulceDecorum   Oct-08-04 03:26 PM   #9 
   Thanks!  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 03:44 PM   #10 
      washington post also said 77 hit WTC  RedSock   Oct-09-04 03:09 PM   #19 
         Thanks  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 04:44 PM   #20 
   Further question  John Doe II   Oct-10-04 04:32 PM   #24 
   Let me see if I understand your position  LARED   Oct-11-04 09:06 AM   #25 
   Facts and Fiction  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 09:16 AM   #26 
      Quick comments  LARED   Oct-11-04 10:32 AM   #27 
         The same UA dispatcher, Ed Ballinger, worked both flights.  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:01 AM   #28 
            And slice it and dice it six ways till Sunday  tngledwebb   Oct-11-04 11:33 AM   #29 
            Was Ed Ballinger the communication link to the outside?  LARED   Oct-11-04 11:40 AM   #30 
               Please explain why when UA announced Flight 93 had crashed, they  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:50 AM   #31 
                  Do you expect a definitive answer?  LARED   Oct-11-04 12:14 PM   #32 
                     Commission Report states  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 01:38 PM   #33 
                     Honestly  LARED   Oct-11-04 02:03 PM   #35 
                        Honestly  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 02:15 PM   #36 
                           I find nothing that screams problem  LARED   Oct-11-04 02:30 PM   #37 
                              Not that easy  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 02:34 PM   #38 
                     Commission Report states  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 01:40 PM   #34 
   Anybody has an idea?  John Doe II   Oct-19-04 02:59 PM   #39 
   Precision  John Doe II   Nov-01-04 08:05 AM   #40 
   I change the question  John Doe II   Nov-10-04 05:29 PM   #41 
   What if.......  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 12:30 PM   #44 
      Hard to believe  John Doe II   Nov-12-04 04:53 PM   #46 
   Manager of American Airlineq  John Doe II   Nov-10-04 05:34 PM   #42 
   AA77 flightpath  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 01:49 PM   #45 
      The bump  John Doe II   Nov-12-04 04:56 PM   #47 
         That's where I took the pic from.  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 05:12 PM   #48 
         I was just reading another thread about Vigilant Guardian.  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 05:15 PM   #49 
   The funny thing about most corporations is....  Make7   Nov-27-04 10:15 PM   #50 
   Hm  k-robjoe   Nov-28-04 09:03 AM   #51 
   By United Airlines? eom.  Make7   Nov-29-04 03:38 AM   #52 
      No, American Airlines 77!  John Doe II   Nov-29-04 03:52 AM   #53 
         From the first post:  Make7   Nov-29-04 05:29 AM   #54 
            Thanks a lot for your detailed questions!  John Doe II   Dec-01-04 08:20 AM   #56 
               UA lost contact  John Doe II   Dec-01-04 04:30 PM   #57 
               The object doesn't need to do anything  Make7   Dec-01-04 10:04 PM   #60 
                  UA 175 never switched off its transponder  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:20 PM   #62 
               I personally have none.  Make7   Dec-01-04 09:40 PM   #59 
                  Don't worry  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:24 PM   #63 
                     I'd like to look at it too.  Make7   Dec-03-04 08:56 AM   #67 
   Because they knew that UAL93 crashed in PA.  MercutioATC   Nov-29-04 11:36 PM   #55 
      Thanks for responding.  Make7   Dec-01-04 08:52 PM   #58 
      Transponder answer:  MercutioATC   Dec-02-04 04:45 AM   #61 
         A few more questions:  Make7   Dec-03-04 01:05 AM   #65 
            Your first question  John Doe II   Dec-03-04 03:36 AM   #66 
            RE: UA 175 never switched off its transponder  Make7   Dec-03-04 10:06 AM   #68 
               "This allow(s) controllers"  John Doe II   Dec-04-04 04:45 PM   #71 
            Here's how our computers work:  MercutioATC   Dec-03-04 09:03 PM   #69 
               That clears up my confusion. Thank you. n/t  Make7   Dec-04-04 07:49 AM   #70 
      Here I can't agree  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:30 PM   #64 
   I wonder if the confusion UA had with flight 175 had something to do with  spooked911   Feb-01-05 09:52 PM   #72 
      The problem with that supposition:  MercutioATC   Feb-02-05 07:28 AM   #73 
         It was a "real" flight that took off and could be tracked by radar but  spooked911   Feb-02-05 09:12 AM   #74 
            My point is that the flight was seen leaving the gate.  MercutioATC   Feb-02-05 09:15 AM   #75 
               Then why was United so confused about their own flight?  spooked911   Feb-02-05 11:43 AM   #76 
 

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