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40. Precision
As I pointed out UA only confirmed the crash of UA 175 at 11:59 (without giving the location of the crash).
I'd like to precise the following:

Just before 11:30 it was noted that

"Every commercial flight in U.S. airspace — about a quarter of the planes still in the air — is within 40 miles of its destination."
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2002/2002-08-13-cle...


I found nowhere the exact time when there was no commercial flight in the US airspace anymore but the quote very much suggested that UA headquarter waited till the very end of hope before declaring the crash of UA 175. They waited till there was no more commercial airplane in the sky.
Can anybody come up with a different explanation than that UA 175 got completely lost and nobody had a clue where it was?
And how is it possible as it is supposed to have hit the WTC in front of two billion eyes? In front of the FAA as well?
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  Flight 175: quite a mysterious flight ... John Doe II  Oct-08-04 05:29 AM   #0 
   UA 175 trajectory  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 09:40 AM   #1 
   Burnback interview.  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 10:36 AM   #2 
   BROOKLYN??????  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 12:24 PM   #3 
   Fair point.....  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 01:21 PM   #4 
      We all saw similar video (the plane appearing to go through)...  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 01:46 PM   #5 
         That you could see it from Brooklyn  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 02:42 PM   #6 
            But he could see that it had "no windows" from Brooklyn?  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 02:47 PM   #7 
               Excuse me  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 02:50 PM   #8 
                  I think it's a good question to ask...and one that deserves an answer.  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 06:32 PM   #11 
                     Good to hear  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 10:47 AM   #12 
                        Dulce's arguement is, I believe, unfounded.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:22 AM   #13 
                           No  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 11:28 AM   #14 
                              Again, the initial information was conflicting.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:37 AM   #15 
                                 Ok  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 11:45 AM   #16 
                                    Again, I agree it's a question that bears asking.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 12:00 PM   #17 
                                       Ok  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 12:12 PM   #18 
                                          I have no idea.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 10:52 PM   #21 
                                          It doesn't. Your question is clear and obvious. He has no answer for it.  stickdog   Oct-09-04 11:14 PM   #22 
                                             I'll go with a fifth option...  MercutioATC   Oct-09-04 11:22 PM   #23 
   I'm still  MrSammo1   Nov-11-04 02:45 AM   #43 
   Rewriting history.  DulceDecorum   Oct-08-04 03:26 PM   #9 
   Thanks!  John Doe II   Oct-08-04 03:44 PM   #10 
      washington post also said 77 hit WTC  RedSock   Oct-09-04 03:09 PM   #19 
         Thanks  John Doe II   Oct-09-04 04:44 PM   #20 
   Further question  John Doe II   Oct-10-04 04:32 PM   #24 
   Let me see if I understand your position  LARED   Oct-11-04 09:06 AM   #25 
   Facts and Fiction  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 09:16 AM   #26 
      Quick comments  LARED   Oct-11-04 10:32 AM   #27 
         The same UA dispatcher, Ed Ballinger, worked both flights.  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:01 AM   #28 
            And slice it and dice it six ways till Sunday  tngledwebb   Oct-11-04 11:33 AM   #29 
            Was Ed Ballinger the communication link to the outside?  LARED   Oct-11-04 11:40 AM   #30 
               Please explain why when UA announced Flight 93 had crashed, they  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:50 AM   #31 
                  Do you expect a definitive answer?  LARED   Oct-11-04 12:14 PM   #32 
                     Commission Report states  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 01:38 PM   #33 
                     Honestly  LARED   Oct-11-04 02:03 PM   #35 
                        Honestly  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 02:15 PM   #36 
                           I find nothing that screams problem  LARED   Oct-11-04 02:30 PM   #37 
                              Not that easy  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 02:34 PM   #38 
                     Commission Report states  John Doe II   Oct-11-04 01:40 PM   #34 
   Anybody has an idea?  John Doe II   Oct-19-04 02:59 PM   #39 
   Precision  John Doe II   Nov-01-04 08:05 AM   #40 
   I change the question  John Doe II   Nov-10-04 05:29 PM   #41 
   What if.......  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 12:30 PM   #44 
      Hard to believe  John Doe II   Nov-12-04 04:53 PM   #46 
   Manager of American Airlineq  John Doe II   Nov-10-04 05:34 PM   #42 
   AA77 flightpath  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 01:49 PM   #45 
      The bump  John Doe II   Nov-12-04 04:56 PM   #47 
         That's where I took the pic from.  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 05:12 PM   #48 
         I was just reading another thread about Vigilant Guardian.  Old and In the Way   Nov-12-04 05:15 PM   #49 
   The funny thing about most corporations is....  Make7   Nov-27-04 10:15 PM   #50 
   Hm  k-robjoe   Nov-28-04 09:03 AM   #51 
   By United Airlines? eom.  Make7   Nov-29-04 03:38 AM   #52 
      No, American Airlines 77!  John Doe II   Nov-29-04 03:52 AM   #53 
         From the first post:  Make7   Nov-29-04 05:29 AM   #54 
            Thanks a lot for your detailed questions!  John Doe II   Dec-01-04 08:20 AM   #56 
               UA lost contact  John Doe II   Dec-01-04 04:30 PM   #57 
               The object doesn't need to do anything  Make7   Dec-01-04 10:04 PM   #60 
                  UA 175 never switched off its transponder  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:20 PM   #62 
               I personally have none.  Make7   Dec-01-04 09:40 PM   #59 
                  Don't worry  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:24 PM   #63 
                     I'd like to look at it too.  Make7   Dec-03-04 08:56 AM   #67 
   Because they knew that UAL93 crashed in PA.  MercutioATC   Nov-29-04 11:36 PM   #55 
      Thanks for responding.  Make7   Dec-01-04 08:52 PM   #58 
      Transponder answer:  MercutioATC   Dec-02-04 04:45 AM   #61 
         A few more questions:  Make7   Dec-03-04 01:05 AM   #65 
            Your first question  John Doe II   Dec-03-04 03:36 AM   #66 
            RE: UA 175 never switched off its transponder  Make7   Dec-03-04 10:06 AM   #68 
               "This allow(s) controllers"  John Doe II   Dec-04-04 04:45 PM   #71 
            Here's how our computers work:  MercutioATC   Dec-03-04 09:03 PM   #69 
               That clears up my confusion. Thank you. n/t  Make7   Dec-04-04 07:49 AM   #70 
      Here I can't agree  John Doe II   Dec-02-04 06:30 PM   #64 
   I wonder if the confusion UA had with flight 175 had something to do with  spooked911   Feb-01-05 09:52 PM   #72 
      The problem with that supposition:  MercutioATC   Feb-02-05 07:28 AM   #73 
         It was a "real" flight that took off and could be tracked by radar but  spooked911   Feb-02-05 09:12 AM   #74 
            My point is that the flight was seen leaving the gate.  MercutioATC   Feb-02-05 09:15 AM   #75 
               Then why was United so confused about their own flight?  spooked911   Feb-02-05 11:43 AM   #76 
 

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