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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:21 PM
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103. Why are you asking me, if it's bullshit?
12/18/07, Shyam Sunder said it.
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  -NIST WTC7 study doesn't address the engineering aspects of the thermite theory. eomer  Aug-23-08 05:44 AM   #0 
  - What engineering aspects of the thermite theory?  LARED   Aug-23-08 06:47 AM   #1 
  - I listed a few in my OP.  eomer   Aug-23-08 07:52 AM   #3 
     - There are few engineering issues preventing Thermite from being used  LARED   Aug-23-08 08:07 AM   #4 
        - Well thanks for your opinion.  wildbilln864   Aug-23-08 09:48 AM   #5 
        - And hopefully you realize some opinions  LARED   Aug-23-08 10:41 AM   #7 
           - Many engineers....  wildbilln864   Aug-23-08 10:43 AM   #8 
           - That was my opinion as an engineer.  LARED   Aug-23-08 11:27 AM   #9 
              - well sure you are!  wildbilln864   Aug-24-08 10:55 AM   #19 
                 - I'm' curious willbill, what training vocation,etc do you posses  LARED   Aug-30-08 09:31 AM   #78 
                    - You Need To Work On Your Condescension "Hump" Champ. n/t  Fainter   Sep-01-08 05:35 PM   #90 
                       - Nay, I think I have it down pretty good. - nt  LARED   Sep-02-08 06:53 PM   #102 
           - The claim that the thermite couldn't have been placed in secret is not an engineering issue. nt  petgoat   Aug-27-08 09:57 AM   #25 
              - No it isn't but it can be informed by engineering information.  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 11:52 AM   #82 
        - Why was it not practical? Barry Jennings seems to feel there was  petgoat   Aug-27-08 09:55 AM   #24 
        - OK PG,  LARED   Aug-27-08 05:47 PM   #31 
           - Big leap from "planted in the mechanical room and the elevator shafts" to "planted on 9/11"?  petgoat   Aug-27-08 06:45 PM   #32 
              - Ok, I understand you now (I think)  LARED   Aug-27-08 08:02 PM   #33 
                 - Ever hear of a suspended ceiling?  petgoat   Aug-28-08 12:54 AM   #38 
                    - What does a suspended ceiling have to do with anything? nt  LARED   Aug-28-08 05:54 AM   #39 
                    - It has to do with your assumption that demo preps would be noticed.  petgoat   Aug-28-08 09:38 AM   #42 
                       - Petgoat....  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 11:09 AM   #44 
                       - So lets see. So far  LARED   Aug-28-08 07:13 PM   #53 
                          - What do you mean the building collapsed in a way no one expected?  petgoat   Aug-29-08 03:00 PM   #64 
                             - "I haven't read the report yet, but..." LOL. n/t  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 11:25 AM   #81 
                                - Have you? Or do you accept the impossibilities inherent in the summary on faith? nt  petgoat   Sep-01-08 04:38 PM   #89 
                    - I disagree with most of your last paragraph  hack89   Aug-28-08 06:04 AM   #40 
                    - You have no hard evidence that the molten metal was aluminum.  petgoat   Aug-28-08 09:34 AM   #41 
                       - "You indulge in wild assumptions to support your complacency"  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 11:16 AM   #45 
                       - There had to be melted aluminum - think what you are saying  hack89   Aug-28-08 04:02 PM   #50 
                    - Again, please provide the evidence that proves it was "molten iron"  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 11:07 AM   #43 
        - What if you control or are part of the security to the building? Is it possible then?  JackRiddler   Aug-28-08 05:06 PM   #51 
           - Lots of things are possible  LARED   Aug-28-08 07:08 PM   #52 
           - Elevator renovations brought materials, tools and components inside. Noise in elevator shafts. nt  petgoat   Aug-29-08 02:48 PM   #58 
              - There was noise in an elevator shaft???  SDuderstadt   Aug-29-08 02:54 PM   #60 
              - Just out of curiosity do you have any evidence of  LARED   Aug-29-08 09:21 PM   #74 
           - Now you're implying the Port Authority of NY was in on it? n/t  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 07:58 PM   #54 
              - No, you're insinuating something more specific than I said, in a *very* lame effort to discredit...  JackRiddler   Aug-29-08 05:57 PM   #72 
                 - How about working on Jones to produce an actual thermite hypothesis?  boloboffin   Aug-29-08 10:17 PM   #75 
                 - Too be entirely fair  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 09:57 AM   #79 
  - The major advocates of thermite have STEADFASTLY REFUSED to supply any "engineering aspects".  boloboffin   Aug-23-08 07:13 AM   #2 
  - A viable, robust theory!?  wildbilln864   Aug-23-08 09:50 AM   #6 
     - Didn't read the first report, haven't read the latest report, think you can weigh in on it anyway.  boloboffin   Aug-23-08 11:32 AM   #10 
     - sad indeed!  wildbilln864   Aug-24-08 04:12 PM   #20 
        - Are you claiming you read either report? n/t  Realityhack   Aug-25-08 12:04 PM   #22 
     - I do. they seem to have delivered. care to point out the flaws? n/t  Realityhack   Aug-23-08 12:19 PM   #12 
     - Flaws:  petgoat   Aug-29-08 02:55 PM   #61 
        - The offices were on fire for far more than 20 minutes, PetGoat....  SDuderstadt   Aug-29-08 02:59 PM   #63 
        - NIST says offices burn for 20 minutes in one place before moving on to new sources of fuel. nt  petgoat   Aug-29-08 03:18 PM   #65 
           - And where do they say that?  hack89   Aug-29-08 04:30 PM   #68 
           - IIRC  Realityhack   Aug-29-08 04:38 PM   #70 
           - More bullshit from you, Petgoat....  SDuderstadt   Aug-29-08 05:46 PM   #71 
              - Why are you asking me, if it's bullshit?  petgoat   Sep-07-08 11:21 PM   #103 
                 - How about a link?  SDuderstadt   Sep-08-08 11:11 AM   #104 
                    - How about if you google "12/18/07 Shyam Sunder" and read the first hit..  petgoat   Sep-08-08 06:45 PM   #105 
                       - Why don't you just provide a link, PG....  SDuderstadt   Sep-08-08 07:06 PM   #106 
                          - ...  petgoat   Sep-08-08 10:02 PM   #107 
                             - Just as I thought, PG....  SDuderstadt   Sep-09-08 11:18 AM   #108 
                                - Run along Sid, Aunt Polly's calling you.  petgoat   Sep-09-08 01:52 PM   #109 
                                   - No lawyers are needed when you continue to....  SDuderstadt   Sep-09-08 01:57 PM   #110 
                                      - You['re making a phony distinction between burning offices and office fires  petgoat   Sep-09-08 02:44 PM   #111 
                                         - Please show me where I did anything at all like that....  SDuderstadt   Sep-09-08 04:17 PM   #112 
                                            - Do I detect an unintentional and unrecognized tautology? nt  petgoat   Sep-10-08 11:29 AM   #113 
                                               - No....wrong again, PG...  SDuderstadt   Sep-10-08 12:01 PM   #114 
        - It's not just about the length of the fires.  AZCat   Aug-29-08 03:33 PM   #66 
        - No go.  Realityhack   Aug-29-08 04:36 PM   #69 
           - You my friend are a heretic  LARED   Aug-29-08 09:19 PM   #73 
              - Oh... does that mean I can't take communion at the church of the anti-Bush anymore? n/t  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 06:39 AM   #76 
                 - Yes, you are OK to take communion  LARED   Aug-30-08 06:57 AM   #77 
     - Too bad you don't demand the same from the...  SDuderstadt   Aug-23-08 12:44 PM   #13 
  - Well you are technicaly correct.  Realityhack   Aug-23-08 12:18 PM   #11 
     - Exactly right  William Seger   Aug-23-08 01:07 PM   #14 
     - Well  Realityhack   Aug-23-08 01:41 PM   #15 
     - Evidence?? Who needs evidence???  SDuderstadt   Aug-23-08 01:49 PM   #16 
     - You argue from personal incredulity, and claim wrongly that there's no evidence. nt  petgoat   Aug-27-08 10:05 AM   #27 
     - Another engineering aspect I would have liked them to address  eomer   Aug-24-08 09:24 AM   #17 
     - The recent BBC documentary on 7 did, by talking to the scientist who has the sample.  boloboffin   Aug-24-08 09:35 AM   #18 
     - It seems to have taken Dr. Sisson six years to arrive at this explanation.  petgoat   Aug-27-08 10:16 AM   #29 
        - Calcium sulfate is soluble in water.  AZCat   Aug-29-08 03:48 PM   #67 
     - Well to be fair  Realityhack   Aug-25-08 12:03 PM   #21 
        - Demonstrating one theoretically possible way that the building could have collapsed  eomer   Aug-27-08 07:44 AM   #23 
        - NIST's excuses for not considering important issues are very weak.  petgoat   Aug-27-08 10:10 AM   #28 
           - Let's be honest - these are issues YOU consider to be important.  AZCat   Aug-27-08 08:22 PM   #34 
              - Everybody should be concerned about the unexplained mystery of what caused the molten iron  petgoat   Aug-27-08 11:14 PM   #35 
                 - Again, Petgoat....YOU need to prove it was molten iron....  SDuderstadt   Aug-27-08 11:29 PM   #36 
                    - How come I need to prove what it was and you needn't prove anything?  petgoat   Aug-28-08 12:24 AM   #37 
                       - Look upthread and I debunked your silly Robertson claim.....  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 11:18 AM   #46 
                          - Molten steel is not my claim. Two dozen witnesses. No eyewitness says molten aluminum.  petgoat   Aug-28-08 12:33 PM   #47 
                             - No offense, Petgoat, but it's really stupid to assume whatever was in the "pools"...  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 12:57 PM   #48 
                                - What makes purity an issue? The 1300 degrees were surface temps; much hotter below. nt  petgoat   Aug-28-08 01:45 PM   #49 
                                   - What do you THINK makes purity an issue? n/t  SDuderstadt   Aug-28-08 07:59 PM   #55 
                                      - I think it's a red herring you raise to try to distract from the presence of the molten iron. nt  petgoat   Aug-29-08 12:42 AM   #56 
                                         - Jesus, Petgoat....  SDuderstadt   Aug-29-08 10:24 AM   #57 
                                            - Nobody says it was pure iron; stop gumming your straw man. nt.  petgoat   Aug-29-08 02:50 PM   #59 
                                               - Bullshit, Petgoat....  SDuderstadt   Aug-29-08 02:57 PM   #62 
     - Thermite is needed to explain the evidence  petgoat   Aug-27-08 10:03 AM   #26 
        - There are other explanations for some of your points  hack89   Aug-27-08 04:35 PM   #30 
        - "the molten metal in the basements"  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 10:19 AM   #80 
           - "if you do this calculation" -- this will never be done by the JAQing off Truth Movement  boloboffin   Aug-30-08 11:57 AM   #83 
              - I don't know...  Realityhack   Aug-30-08 02:17 PM   #84 
              - obviously you're wrong as they did not....  wildbilln864   Aug-30-08 02:55 PM   #85 
                 - Jones has no working hypothesis on how the thermite could have been used, wildbill  boloboffin   Aug-30-08 08:16 PM   #86 
                    - please easily explain the...  wildbilln864   Aug-31-08 12:17 PM   #87 
                    - Where did the "spherules" come from?  SDuderstadt   Aug-31-08 12:31 PM   # 
                    - The provenance is described in the paper by Jones, et al, and there are also corroborating studies.  eomer   Sep-02-08 12:22 PM   #92 
                       - And I asked about the chain of possession n/t  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-08 12:26 PM   #93 
                          - Provenance, chain of possession... same thing.  eomer   Sep-02-08 02:05 PM   #94 
                             - But what was their provence BEFORE the towers fell?  boloboffin   Sep-02-08 03:43 PM   #95 
                             - Gage says microspheres were found in dust on Brooklyn Bridge and on rooftops across the street .nt  petgoat   Sep-02-08 03:59 PM   #96 
                             - RJ Lee looked at that.  eomer   Sep-02-08 04:38 PM   #97 
                             - If it doesn't detail how the samples were passed from the original collectors to Jones or whether...  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-08 04:53 PM   #98 
                                - OK, good enough then. Since a federal agency (USGS) has corroborated the presence of the spherules,  eomer   Sep-02-08 06:15 PM   #99 
                                   - And the spherules would prove?  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-08 06:18 PM   #100 
                                      - Actually I don't claim to know that. I would have liked NIST to study and report on it.  eomer   Sep-02-08 06:46 PM   #101 
                    - Unintentional dupe  SDuderstadt   Aug-31-08 12:31 PM   #88 
                    - so I guess....  wildbilln864   Sep-02-08 11:57 AM   #91 

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