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Sat Aug-30-08 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #85 |
| 86. Jones has no working hypothesis on how the thermite could have been used, wildbill |
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His observations are easily explained by the contents of the buildings as they stood.
NIST had no scientific reason whatsoever to "address Jone's thermit analysis."
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| -NIST WTC7 study doesn't address the engineering aspects of the thermite theory. |
eomer |
Aug-23-08 05:44 AM |
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What engineering aspects of the thermite theory? |
LARED |
Aug-23-08 06:47 AM |
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I listed a few in my OP. |
eomer |
Aug-23-08 07:52 AM |
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There are few engineering issues preventing Thermite from being used |
LARED |
Aug-23-08 08:07 AM |
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Well thanks for your opinion. |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-23-08 09:48 AM |
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And hopefully you realize some opinions |
LARED |
Aug-23-08 10:41 AM |
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Many engineers.... |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-23-08 10:43 AM |
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That was my opinion as an engineer. |
LARED |
Aug-23-08 11:27 AM |
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well sure you are! |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-24-08 10:55 AM |
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I'm' curious willbill, what training vocation,etc do you posses |
LARED |
Aug-30-08 09:31 AM |
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You Need To Work On Your Condescension "Hump" Champ. n/t |
Fainter |
Sep-01-08 05:35 PM |
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Nay, I think I have it down pretty good. - nt |
LARED |
Sep-02-08 06:53 PM |
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The claim that the thermite couldn't have been placed in secret is not an engineering issue. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 09:57 AM |
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No it isn't but it can be informed by engineering information. |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 11:52 AM |
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Why was it not practical? Barry Jennings seems to feel there was |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 09:55 AM |
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OK PG, |
LARED |
Aug-27-08 05:47 PM |
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Big leap from "planted in the mechanical room and the elevator shafts" to "planted on 9/11"? |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 06:45 PM |
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Ok, I understand you now (I think) |
LARED |
Aug-27-08 08:02 PM |
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Ever hear of a suspended ceiling? |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 12:54 AM |
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What does a suspended ceiling have to do with anything? nt |
LARED |
Aug-28-08 05:54 AM |
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It has to do with your assumption that demo preps would be noticed. |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 09:38 AM |
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Petgoat.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 11:09 AM |
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So lets see. So far |
LARED |
Aug-28-08 07:13 PM |
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What do you mean the building collapsed in a way no one expected? |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 03:00 PM |
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"I haven't read the report yet, but..." LOL. n/t |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 11:25 AM |
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Have you? Or do you accept the impossibilities inherent in the summary on faith? nt |
petgoat |
Sep-01-08 04:38 PM |
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I disagree with most of your last paragraph |
hack89 |
Aug-28-08 06:04 AM |
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You have no hard evidence that the molten metal was aluminum. |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 09:34 AM |
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"You indulge in wild assumptions to support your complacency" |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 11:16 AM |
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There had to be melted aluminum - think what you are saying |
hack89 |
Aug-28-08 04:02 PM |
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Again, please provide the evidence that proves it was "molten iron" |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 11:07 AM |
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What if you control or are part of the security to the building? Is it possible then? |
JackRiddler |
Aug-28-08 05:06 PM |
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Lots of things are possible |
LARED |
Aug-28-08 07:08 PM |
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Elevator renovations brought materials, tools and components inside. Noise in elevator shafts. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 02:48 PM |
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There was noise in an elevator shaft??? |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-29-08 02:54 PM |
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Just out of curiosity do you have any evidence of |
LARED |
Aug-29-08 09:21 PM |
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Now you're implying the Port Authority of NY was in on it? n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 07:58 PM |
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No, you're insinuating something more specific than I said, in a *very* lame effort to discredit... |
JackRiddler |
Aug-29-08 05:57 PM |
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How about working on Jones to produce an actual thermite hypothesis? |
boloboffin |
Aug-29-08 10:17 PM |
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Too be entirely fair |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 09:57 AM |
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The major advocates of thermite have STEADFASTLY REFUSED to supply any "engineering aspects". |
boloboffin |
Aug-23-08 07:13 AM |
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A viable, robust theory!? |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-23-08 09:50 AM |
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Didn't read the first report, haven't read the latest report, think you can weigh in on it anyway. |
boloboffin |
Aug-23-08 11:32 AM |
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sad indeed! |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-24-08 04:12 PM |
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Are you claiming you read either report? n/t |
Realityhack |
Aug-25-08 12:04 PM |
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I do. they seem to have delivered. care to point out the flaws? n/t |
Realityhack |
Aug-23-08 12:19 PM |
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Flaws: |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 02:55 PM |
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The offices were on fire for far more than 20 minutes, PetGoat.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-29-08 02:59 PM |
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NIST says offices burn for 20 minutes in one place before moving on to new sources of fuel. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 03:18 PM |
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And where do they say that? |
hack89 |
Aug-29-08 04:30 PM |
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IIRC |
Realityhack |
Aug-29-08 04:38 PM |
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More bullshit from you, Petgoat.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-29-08 05:46 PM |
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Why are you asking me, if it's bullshit? |
petgoat |
Sep-07-08 11:21 PM |
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How about a link? |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-08-08 11:11 AM |
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How about if you google "12/18/07 Shyam Sunder" and read the first hit.. |
petgoat |
Sep-08-08 06:45 PM |
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Why don't you just provide a link, PG.... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-08-08 07:06 PM |
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... |
petgoat |
Sep-08-08 10:02 PM |
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Just as I thought, PG.... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-09-08 11:18 AM |
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Run along Sid, Aunt Polly's calling you. |
petgoat |
Sep-09-08 01:52 PM |
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No lawyers are needed when you continue to.... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-09-08 01:57 PM |
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You['re making a phony distinction between burning offices and office fires |
petgoat |
Sep-09-08 02:44 PM |
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Please show me where I did anything at all like that.... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-09-08 04:17 PM |
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Do I detect an unintentional and unrecognized tautology? nt |
petgoat |
Sep-10-08 11:29 AM |
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No....wrong again, PG... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-10-08 12:01 PM |
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It's not just about the length of the fires. |
AZCat |
Aug-29-08 03:33 PM |
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No go. |
Realityhack |
Aug-29-08 04:36 PM |
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You my friend are a heretic |
LARED |
Aug-29-08 09:19 PM |
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Oh... does that mean I can't take communion at the church of the anti-Bush anymore? n/t |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 06:39 AM |
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Yes, you are OK to take communion |
LARED |
Aug-30-08 06:57 AM |
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Too bad you don't demand the same from the... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-23-08 12:44 PM |
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Well you are technicaly correct. |
Realityhack |
Aug-23-08 12:18 PM |
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Exactly right |
William Seger |
Aug-23-08 01:07 PM |
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Well |
Realityhack |
Aug-23-08 01:41 PM |
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Evidence?? Who needs evidence??? |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-23-08 01:49 PM |
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You argue from personal incredulity, and claim wrongly that there's no evidence. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 10:05 AM |
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Another engineering aspect I would have liked them to address |
eomer |
Aug-24-08 09:24 AM |
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The recent BBC documentary on 7 did, by talking to the scientist who has the sample. |
boloboffin |
Aug-24-08 09:35 AM |
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It seems to have taken Dr. Sisson six years to arrive at this explanation. |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 10:16 AM |
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Calcium sulfate is soluble in water. |
AZCat |
Aug-29-08 03:48 PM |
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Well to be fair |
Realityhack |
Aug-25-08 12:03 PM |
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Demonstrating one theoretically possible way that the building could have collapsed |
eomer |
Aug-27-08 07:44 AM |
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NIST's excuses for not considering important issues are very weak. |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 10:10 AM |
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Let's be honest - these are issues YOU consider to be important. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-08 08:22 PM |
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Everybody should be concerned about the unexplained mystery of what caused the molten iron |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 11:14 PM |
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Again, Petgoat....YOU need to prove it was molten iron.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-27-08 11:29 PM |
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How come I need to prove what it was and you needn't prove anything? |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 12:24 AM |
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Look upthread and I debunked your silly Robertson claim..... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 11:18 AM |
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Molten steel is not my claim. Two dozen witnesses. No eyewitness says molten aluminum. |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 12:33 PM |
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No offense, Petgoat, but it's really stupid to assume whatever was in the "pools"... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 12:57 PM |
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What makes purity an issue? The 1300 degrees were surface temps; much hotter below. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-28-08 01:45 PM |
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What do you THINK makes purity an issue? n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-28-08 07:59 PM |
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I think it's a red herring you raise to try to distract from the presence of the molten iron. nt |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 12:42 AM |
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Jesus, Petgoat.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-29-08 10:24 AM |
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Nobody says it was pure iron; stop gumming your straw man. nt. |
petgoat |
Aug-29-08 02:50 PM |
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Bullshit, Petgoat.... |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-29-08 02:57 PM |
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Thermite is needed to explain the evidence |
petgoat |
Aug-27-08 10:03 AM |
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There are other explanations for some of your points |
hack89 |
Aug-27-08 04:35 PM |
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"the molten metal in the basements" |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 10:19 AM |
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"if you do this calculation" -- this will never be done by the JAQing off Truth Movement |
boloboffin |
Aug-30-08 11:57 AM |
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I don't know... |
Realityhack |
Aug-30-08 02:17 PM |
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obviously you're wrong as they did not.... |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-30-08 02:55 PM |
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Jones has no working hypothesis on how the thermite could have been used, wildbill |
boloboffin |
Aug-30-08 08:16 PM |
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please easily explain the... |
wildbilln864 |
Aug-31-08 12:17 PM |
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Where did the "spherules" come from? |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-31-08 12:31 PM |
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The provenance is described in the paper by Jones, et al, and there are also corroborating studies. |
eomer |
Sep-02-08 12:22 PM |
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And I asked about the chain of possession n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-02-08 12:26 PM |
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Provenance, chain of possession... same thing. |
eomer |
Sep-02-08 02:05 PM |
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But what was their provence BEFORE the towers fell? |
boloboffin |
Sep-02-08 03:43 PM |
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Gage says microspheres were found in dust on Brooklyn Bridge and on rooftops across the street .nt |
petgoat |
Sep-02-08 03:59 PM |
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RJ Lee looked at that. |
eomer |
Sep-02-08 04:38 PM |
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If it doesn't detail how the samples were passed from the original collectors to Jones or whether... |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-02-08 04:53 PM |
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OK, good enough then. Since a federal agency (USGS) has corroborated the presence of the spherules, |
eomer |
Sep-02-08 06:15 PM |
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And the spherules would prove? |
SDuderstadt |
Sep-02-08 06:18 PM |
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Actually I don't claim to know that. I would have liked NIST to study and report on it. |
eomer |
Sep-02-08 06:46 PM |
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Unintentional dupe |
SDuderstadt |
Aug-31-08 12:31 PM |
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so I guess.... |
wildbilln864 |
Sep-02-08 11:57 AM |
#91 |
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