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Flight 11 survived the North Tower crash
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...therefore it cannot have been the plane that hit the tower.


Flight 11 was spotted on the radar screens at 8:48 by New York ARTCC controllers:

At 8:48, while the controller was still trying to locate American 11, a New York Center manager provided the following report on a Command Center teleconference about American 11:

Manager, New York Center: Okay. This is New York Center. We’re watching the airplane. I also had conversation with American Airlines, and they ’ve told us that they believe that one of their stewardesses was stabbed and that there are people in the cockpit that have control of the aircraft, and that ’s all the information they have right now. 124

The New York Center controller and manager were unaware that American 11 had already crashed.
9/11 report, p.21


Flight 11 was reported at 9:21 by Washington ARTCC controllers as "heading towards Washington":

Instead, the NEADS air defenders heard renewed reports about a plane that no longer existed: American 11.
At 9:21, NEADS received a report from the FAA:
FAA: Military,Boston Center.I just had a report that American 11 is still in the air, and it ’s on its way towards —heading towards Washington.
NEADS: Okay.American 11 is still in the air?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: On its way towards Washington?
FAA: That was another — it was evidently another aircraft that hit the tower. That ’s the latest report we have.
NEADS: Okay.
FAA: I ’m going to try to confirm an ID for you,but I would assume
he ’s somewhere over,uh,either New Jersey or somewhere further south.
NEADS: Okay. So American 11 isn ’t the hijack at all then,right?
FAA: No,he is a hijack.
NEADS: He —American 11 is a hijack?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: And he ’s heading into Washington?
FAA: Yes. This could be a third aircraft.148

The mention of a “third aircraft ”was not a reference to American 77.There was confusion at that moment in the FAA.Two planes had struck the World Trade Center, and Boston Center had heard from FAA headquarters in Washington that American 11 was still airborne. We have been unable to identify the
source of this mistaken FAA information.
9/11 report, p.26


At 9:24, Langley fighters were ordered to intercept the southbound Flight 11 in the Baltimore area:

The NEADS technician who took this call from the FAA immediately passed the word to the mission crew commander, who reported to the NEADS battle commander:

Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: Okay, uh, American Airlines is still airborne. Eleven, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington. Okay? I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis, try to chase this guy down if I can find him.149

After consulting with NEADS command, the crew commander issued the order at 9:23:"Okay . . . scramble Langley. Head them towards the Washington area.. . . if they're there then we'll run on them.. . .These guys are smart." That order was processed and transmitted to Langley Air Force Base at 9:24. Radar data show the Langley fighters airborne at 9:30. NEADS decided to keep the Otis fighters over New York. The heading of the Langley fighters was adjusted to send them to the Baltimore area. The mission crew commander explained to us that the purpose was to position the Langley fighters between the reported southbound American 11 and the nation's capital.150



The Air National Guard was informed by the FAA that Flight 11 was still airborne after the North Tower crash:

03:54:35 LT COLONEL DAWNE DESKINS, AIR NATIONAL GUARD

They told us that they showed the American Airlines Flight 11 was still airborne. So now, we're looking at this, well if, if an aircraft hit the World Trade Center, who was that?
http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/abcnews0911...


General Myers knew of a hijacked plane, coming from the New York area and heading to Washington:

General Richard Myers, vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that before the crash into the Pentagon, military officials had been notified that another hijacked plane had been heading from the New York area to Washington.http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0%2C1300%2C550...

So who wants to deny that Flight 11 was still airborne after the North Tower crash?










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  Flight 11 survived the North Tower crash woody b  Oct-05-04 09:38 AM   #0 
   You forget the confusion that day  Warpy   Oct-05-04 09:55 AM   #1 
   No, I didn't forget  woody b   Oct-05-04 10:57 AM   #5 
   that the unidentified blip was AA BECAUSE there was no accompanying data t  TrogL   Oct-08-04 12:15 AM   #22 
      Think big  woody b   Oct-08-04 03:09 AM   #23 
   Please explain your theory further. "Confusion" doesn't cut it.  stickdog   Oct-05-04 03:32 PM   #15 
   Yawn......  getoffmytrain   Oct-05-04 10:04 AM   #2 
   bump  woody b   Oct-05-04 11:01 AM   #6 
   Oh jeez, just more conspiracy theory bullshit. . .  frankzappa   Oct-05-04 10:11 AM   #3 
   Great answer  woody b   Oct-05-04 11:04 AM   #7 
   Good work.  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 10:26 AM   #4 
   Another possibility  woody b   Oct-05-04 11:06 AM   #8 
   Good work  John Doe II   Oct-05-04 11:45 AM   #9 
   Can you provide some links to the material (nt/)  LARED   Oct-05-04 12:05 PM   #10 
   Already provided - 9/11 report + browse this thread (nt)  woody b   Oct-05-04 01:32 PM   #12 
   Flight 11 still flying...  seatnineb   Oct-05-04 01:20 PM   #11 
   Thanks, seaty  woody b   Oct-05-04 01:34 PM   #13 
   Good catch from the freepers forum :-)  woody b   Oct-05-04 01:57 PM   #14 
   Mind if I point something out?  LARED   Oct-05-04 05:37 PM   #16 
   Sorry  woody b   Oct-07-04 02:52 PM   #19 
      Read it carefully  LARED   Oct-07-04 07:07 PM   #20 
         THAT'S the crux of the issue, LARED.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-04 07:20 PM   #21 
         Sorry again  woody b   Oct-08-04 03:47 AM   #24 
            Is english not your first language?  LARED   Oct-08-04 07:39 AM   #25 
               Sorry again  woody b   Oct-08-04 08:41 AM   #26 
                  No problem Woody Box  LARED   Oct-08-04 09:45 AM   #27 
                     This is pretty complicated  k-robjoe   Oct-08-04 11:08 AM   #28 
                     I think the problem is Woody is confused  LARED   Oct-08-04 12:08 PM   #30 
                     Sorry to break your heart on this LARED  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 12:27 PM   #33 
                     Thanks for the link. It helps clear things up nicely  LARED   Oct-08-04 12:35 PM   #34 
                        Not so fast.....  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 12:41 PM   #36 
                           My mistake  LARED   Oct-08-04 12:49 PM   #37 
                              LARED lazy-bone  woody b   Oct-08-04 01:36 PM   #39 
                                 You should look up the word teleconference  LARED   Oct-08-04 02:20 PM   #40 
                                    teleconference  woody b   Oct-08-04 06:45 PM   #42 
                                    Cognitive dissonance  LARED   Oct-08-04 09:37 PM   #43 
                                       Quote  k-robjoe   Oct-10-04 07:02 PM   #44 
                                       I get the feeling  LARED   Oct-10-04 07:30 PM   #45 
                                       Like I said  k-robjoe   Oct-11-04 09:23 AM   #50 
                                       My only point has been that  LARED   Oct-11-04 10:12 AM   #51 
                                       Maybe he's talking about Flight 175. But what about Flight 11, then?  stickdog   Oct-12-04 06:02 AM   #64 
                                       Your last few posts have served as a clear illustration of your own  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:34 AM   #52 
                                       No my argument is that  LARED   Oct-11-04 12:26 PM   #58 
                                       O.K.  k-robjoe   Oct-11-04 02:54 PM   #62 
                                       Cog Dis  tngledwebb   Oct-11-04 11:50 AM   #55 
                                    Can you explain me the word teleconference?  woody b   Oct-10-04 08:26 PM   #46 
                                       Try this  LARED   Oct-10-04 08:42 PM   #47 
                                          The context  woody b   Oct-11-04 03:56 AM   #48 
                                             Aren't time-lines fun?  LARED   Oct-11-04 06:35 AM   #49 
                                             In this context, teleconference = telephone conference.  stickdog   Oct-11-04 11:38 AM   #53 
                                             Whatever  LARED   Oct-11-04 11:42 AM   #54 
                                             Talk about cognitive dissonance!  stickdog   Oct-11-04 12:02 PM   #56 
                                             You must be right.  LARED   Oct-11-04 12:21 PM   #57 
                                             Why are you changing the subject? (n/t)  stickdog   Oct-11-04 12:35 PM   #59 
                                             The subject has alway been your baseless remark  LARED   Oct-11-04 12:46 PM   #60 
                                             How?  LARED   Oct-11-04 01:22 PM   #61 
                                             Where the fuck do you think it took place? Did the guy have to put on  stickdog   Oct-12-04 06:09 AM   #65 
                     What's your explanation for the OBVIOUS problem with your analysis?  stickdog   Oct-11-04 09:32 PM   #63 
                     Woddy stated that "we're watching" meant that both the ATC and the  MercutioATC   Oct-08-04 12:21 PM   #32 
                        OK  k-robjoe   Oct-08-04 03:42 PM   #41 
                     Wrong.  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 11:21 AM   #29 
                        Please explain  LARED   Oct-08-04 12:17 PM   #31 
                           Transponder anomaly  seatnineb   Oct-08-04 12:36 PM   #35 
                              Why are you changing the subject? (n/t)  LARED   Oct-08-04 12:51 PM   #38 
   More info.  stickdog   Oct-05-04 05:41 PM   #17 
   Still more (dis?)info  stickdog   Oct-05-04 06:38 PM   #18 
 

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