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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 11:45 AM
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4. The shoring doesn't bother me
I agree with your assessment - consideration must be given to circumstances, but I still am frustrated that they were unable to examine things in detail. From the article in Civil Engineering Magazine:
However, the team inspections were not comprehensive, and they did not address fire-related material degradation.


I don't claim there was no access or that this was all in secret. I do claim that there was not an opportunity to examine all the evidence. Yes, this wasn't feasible due to the rescue operation, but it doesn't change the fact that there was less information available. Would that extra information make any difference? Only to those who care about the accuracy of building simulations. There is still enough evidence (I think) to confirm that a plane hit the Pentagon.
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  -A "Preliminary Rationalization" from the ASCE BeFree  Oct-01-04 10:29 AM   #0 
  - Here's a pic from that ASCE site:  BeFree   Oct-01-04 10:53 AM   #1 
  - This is not the Pentagon Report  AZCat   Oct-01-04 10:56 AM   #2 
  - N..B. "shoring was in place"  RH   Oct-01-04 11:26 AM   #3 
  - The shoring doesn't bother me  AZCat   Oct-01-04 11:45 AM   #4 
     - That's right.  RH   Oct-01-04 02:01 PM   #5 
        - They could smell cordite. (nt)  stickdog   Oct-02-04 02:19 AM   #7 
        - ONE witness mentioned smelling "cordite"  MercutioATC   Oct-02-04 08:49 AM   #8 
           - one?  demodewd   Oct-02-04 11:14 AM   #9 
              - Ok, TWO mentions of a cordite or gunpowder smell.  MercutioATC   Oct-02-04 11:39 AM   #11 
                 - no valid point  demodewd   Oct-02-04 01:04 PM   #12 
                    - So your arguement is that six people out of scores said that a  MercutioATC   Oct-02-04 07:18 PM   #17 
                       - genericctdewd  demodewd   Oct-03-04 08:57 PM   #46 
                          - You answered my reply to stickdog. I responded in that context.  MercutioATC   Oct-04-04 04:05 PM   #52 
                          - Perhaps we should develop a local version of the Geek Code  AZCat   Oct-04-04 08:38 PM   #53 
                             - It is not possible  RH   Oct-05-04 04:15 AM   #54 
        - important clues  demodewd   Oct-02-04 11:33 AM   #10 
  - Excuses, excuses  BeFree   Oct-03-04 07:11 AM   #24 
     - This is an electronic version of a magazine article  AZCat   Oct-03-04 08:52 AM   #31 
        - You Think?  BeFree   Oct-03-04 09:38 AM   #33 
           - That would have been a good idea...  AZCat   Oct-03-04 09:46 AM   #35 
           - An archive is an archive,  RH   Oct-03-04 09:51 AM   #36 
  - Here's a link you might enjoy.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 02:14 AM   #6 
  - Thanks  k-robjoe   Oct-02-04 01:37 PM   #13 
  - Wow, this is just amazing...  Endangered Specie   Oct-02-04 04:34 PM   #15 
  - Yes, always attack the messenger.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 05:47 PM   #16 
  - Thats the problem...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 01:05 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-02-04 08:22 PM   #19 
  - Debunking...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 01:04 AM   #21 
     - Questions  k-robjoe   Oct-03-04 03:37 AM   #23 
        - Those pieces of debris...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 11:41 AM   #37 
           - One thing about the tail  k-robjoe   Oct-03-04 02:16 PM   #41 
              - About that site...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 02:49 PM   #43 
  - You are quite out of your league questioning the ASCE...  Endangered Specie   Oct-02-04 04:13 PM   #14 
  - Out of my league?  BeFree   Oct-03-04 07:20 AM   #25 
     - There is a vast difference between  LARED   Oct-03-04 08:13 AM   #28 
     - Hello Lared  BeFree   Oct-03-04 08:22 AM   #29 
        - Ok  LARED   Oct-03-04 08:27 AM   #30 
           - Off base?  BeFree   Oct-03-04 09:02 AM   #32 
              - That's only further even further off base,  RH   Oct-03-04 09:42 AM   #34 
     - I think you missed what I was saying...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 11:52 AM   #39 
  - Quick question  LARED   Oct-02-04 07:28 PM   #18 
  - Why bother?  BeFree   Oct-05-04 12:07 PM   #76 
     - It's a serious question  LARED   Oct-05-04 12:47 PM   #77 
  - Funny, right after your quote, they mention conclusions...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 12:27 AM   #20 
  - No, no, no  BeFree   Oct-03-04 07:30 AM   #26 
     - I hope you're kidding  LARED   Oct-03-04 07:58 AM   #27 
     - Oh brother...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 11:45 AM   #38 
        - One thing  BeFree   Oct-03-04 02:06 PM   #40 
        - "Preliminary"  RH   Oct-03-04 02:44 PM   #42 
        - Once again...  Endangered Specie   Oct-03-04 02:52 PM   #44 
        - Just what I figured  BeFree   Oct-03-04 04:41 PM   #45 
        - Preliminary Rationalization means  LARED   Oct-04-04 10:19 AM   #47 
           - Finally, thanks Lared  BeFree   Oct-04-04 10:58 AM   #48 
              - I think I mentioned this before, but at some point  LARED   Oct-04-04 11:21 AM   #49 
              - 'flluid concoction' is a method of characterizing an unknown load case  gbwarming   Oct-04-04 11:25 AM   #50 
                 - Another OCT with special skills! What a convincing coincidence!  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 05:43 AM   #55 
                    - It is no coincidence that another  LARED   Oct-05-04 06:48 AM   #56 
                       - Another OCT expert without evidence rears his tinfoil hatted head!  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 08:14 AM   #57 
                          - I'd like to see  BeFree   Oct-05-04 10:12 AM   #58 
                          - Okay Be Free, I'll try,  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 10:27 AM   #61 
                             - Good for you, tngledwebb  BeFree   Oct-05-04 10:46 AM   #63 
                                - Your mercy is appreciated  LARED   Oct-05-04 10:54 AM   #68 
                                   - You funny.  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 11:25 AM   #71 
                                      - I see things in reports that aren't there?  LARED   Oct-05-04 11:32 AM   #73 
                          - A question: Who's report WOULD you believe?  MercutioATC   Oct-05-04 10:16 AM   #60 
                          - You can buy official experts cheap, and anywhere.  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 10:44 AM   #62 
                             - How about you providing an iota of evidence that the ASCE  LARED   Oct-05-04 10:51 AM   #66 
                             - Evidence? Ya want evidence?  BeFree   Oct-05-04 11:57 AM   #75 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-08-04 07:17 PM   #84 
                             - Again, I ask. Who WOULD you believe???  MercutioATC   Oct-05-04 11:33 AM   #74 
                          - Without evidence?  LARED   Oct-05-04 10:49 AM   #64 
                          - Lessen some one else got some.  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 10:54 AM   #67 
                             - So?  LARED   Oct-05-04 10:58 AM   #69 
                                - Yes huh duh. This is your problem, La red  tngledwebb   Oct-05-04 11:18 AM   #70 
                                   - Actually the problem is not mine  LARED   Oct-05-04 11:31 AM   #72 
                          - Amen  impe   Oct-05-04 10:49 AM   #65 
                             - The two cars  RH   Oct-08-04 06:55 PM   #81 
        - a sledgehammer to the head?  WoodrowFan   Oct-04-04 11:48 AM   #51 
           - Sad, really sad  BeFree   Oct-05-04 10:16 AM   #59 
              - What good is it?  RH   Oct-08-04 07:00 PM   #82 
  - What specific fault can you find with the ASCE report?  gbwarming   Oct-05-04 12:58 PM   #78 
  - You say "assume"  BeFree   Oct-08-04 06:41 PM   #80 
     - If you had anything at all  RH   Oct-08-04 07:13 PM   #83 
  - A definition of PR  BeFree   Oct-08-04 06:28 PM   #79 
 

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