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Flight 93: crash time cannot be true
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Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 11:45 AM by John Doe II
I like to put three threads together here that all deal with an spect of Flight 93. Seen all three together I have the strong impression that the official story and the official crash time cannot possibly be true. (This of course implies the believe that the Commission did a cover up).
Here the three aspect:
Thread: Jeremy Glick (woody box) Shows that the timeline of the last minutes more precisely the moment when the passengers started to storm the cockpit simply can't be true. Officially it started at 9:58. But in their phone call Lyz Glick told his husband that the WTC crashed (9:59) The conversation then continued for approxemately one or two minutes leading. This clearly contradicts the official description in the Commission report.
Thread: 9/11 Commission: There must be 93 ways ... (stickdog) The official crash time clearly contradicts the seismic recordings by 170 seconds ...! No explanation has been given so far.
Thread: Flight 93: Cockpit recordings of final minutes. What the Comission states that can be heard on the recordings is in sharp contrast to what the family members reported to have heard when listening in April 2002 theses tapes. The commission points out that on the recordings it can clearly be heard that the hijackers finallt decide to crash the flight. not a single family member reported this after hearing the tapes. Most of them stated that passengers managed to storm the cockpit. The recordings have not been released.

Seen all this three threads together I believe it's hard to keep up the official version. But I want to encourage everybody who still believes the official version of Flight 93 to be true to discuss it and show their reasons.
In my opinion the discussion can be done here or in one of the threads. I just wanted to bring attention to this important issue.
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  Flight 93: crash time cannot be true John Doe II  Sep-25-04 11:45 AM   #0 
   I don't believe the official story  sffreeways   Sep-25-04 12:16 PM   #1 
   Just one thing about the time differences you mention  beyurslf   Sep-25-04 12:46 PM   #2 
   Not that easy  John Doe II   Sep-25-04 12:52 PM   #3 
   Is Deena Burnett telling the truth?  seatnineb   Sep-25-04 01:56 PM   #4 
   Children typically start school at 5 in the States.  MercutioATC   Sep-25-04 02:03 PM   #6 
   "the children wanted"  RH   Sep-25-04 06:05 PM   #8 
   Why is glick talking on the phone while the cockpit was being stormed  MercutioATC   Sep-25-04 02:01 PM   #5 
      My impression  k-robjoe   Sep-25-04 04:27 PM   #7 
      Putting it very mildly  k-robjoe   Sep-25-04 06:51 PM   #9 
         Just a small addition  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 04:46 AM   #13 
            Jeremy Glick  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 05:08 AM   #15 
               An idea based on what?  RH   Sep-27-04 10:08 PM   #63 
      Why don't we just synchronize all the evidence like they would in any NTSB  stickdog   Sep-26-04 12:47 AM   #11 
         THAT I completely agree with.  MercutioATC   Sep-26-04 04:12 AM   #12 
            Nobody is saying it's MIHOP or LIHOP  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 05:07 AM   #14 
               What, specifically, doesn't add up?  MercutioATC   Sep-26-04 05:12 AM   #16 
                  Excuse me, where did you answer?  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 05:16 AM   #17 
                     Again, we're talking about a difference of two minutes.  MercutioATC   Sep-26-04 05:23 AM   #18 
                        A lie is a lie  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 05:26 AM   #19 
                           We ARE jumping around. Wanna just do this in the Glick thread?  MercutioATC   Sep-26-04 05:27 AM   #20 
                           Ok  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 05:31 AM   #21 
                           Evidence is evidence  RH   Sep-26-04 01:30 PM   #22 
                              All you ask for is there  John Doe II   Sep-26-04 01:52 PM   #23 
                                 Why is the seismic data the "truth" when ALL of the other evidence  MercutioATC   Sep-26-04 11:37 PM   #24 
                                 Ummm, what is your explanation? Is the Earth part of a massive conspiracy?  stickdog   Sep-27-04 03:22 AM   #25 
                                 When did UAL93 crash?  MercutioATC   Sep-27-04 05:58 AM   #27 
                                 Can you please answer the question!  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 06:35 AM   #31 
                                 See the Glick thread  MercutioATC   Sep-28-04 07:16 AM   #65 
                                 You COMPLETELY avoided the question. So let's try again.  stickdog   Sep-27-04 04:50 PM   #54 
                                 See the Glick thread  MercutioATC   Sep-28-04 07:16 AM   #64 
                                 I have seen it. But I've seen no answer. (nt)  stickdog   Sep-28-04 02:39 PM   #69 
                                    Look again  MercutioATC   Sep-28-04 10:11 PM   #76 
                                    Looked there found nothing  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 03:50 AM   #79 
                                    Here:  MercutioATC   Sep-29-04 06:43 AM   #89 
                                    Here:  MercutioATC   Sep-29-04 06:43 AM   #90 
                                 Do you know what "incontrovertible" means?  RH   Sep-28-04 01:18 PM   #66 
                                 incontrovertible = impossible to deny or disprove  stickdog   Sep-28-04 02:38 PM   #68 
                                    Presumably by demonstrating  RH   Sep-28-04 04:31 PM   #72 
                                    How do seismologists determine the epicenter of earthquakes?  stickdog   Sep-28-04 07:12 PM   #75 
                                 The spike  The Straight Story   Oct-01-04 09:55 PM   #145 
                                    It was detected at multiple sites.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 03:34 AM   #147 
                                       The link is impertient  RH   Oct-02-04 08:47 AM   #153 
                                 Heya Thumb-biter...  Robb   Sep-29-04 12:16 AM   #77 
                                    It always feels good to read intelligent stuff!  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 03:48 AM   #78 
                                    Stone cold certain or "less certain" now?  RH   Sep-29-04 04:59 AM   #83 
                                    I don't understand  Robb   Sep-29-04 08:37 AM   #94 
                                       This may help.  RH   Sep-29-04 10:11 AM   #96 
                                       I get where you're going  Robb   Sep-29-04 08:47 PM   #107 
                                       1) Get the data. 2) Examine the data. 3) Determine the data are  stickdog   Sep-30-04 08:51 AM   #116 
                                       Removing my head  RH   Sep-30-04 12:25 PM   #123 
                                       You can't be serious. Was metal debris from the Pentagon crash found  stickdog   Sep-30-04 04:12 PM   #128 
                                       This sounds logical and convincing to me.  John Doe II   Sep-30-04 04:24 PM   #130 
                                       The energy required  RH   Sep-30-04 05:11 PM   #132 
                                       Good observations  Robb   Sep-30-04 05:21 PM   #134 
                                       What does a softball do at 500 mph?  RH   Sep-30-04 06:06 PM   #135 
                                       Excuse me  John Doe II   Oct-01-04 03:35 AM   #138 
                                       I have no doubt  RH   Oct-01-04 06:23 AM   #139 
                                       Your reply is IGNORANT. Read the studies. Learn something about  stickdog   Oct-02-04 03:28 AM   #146 
                                    Thanks for the clarification, Robb :)  MercutioATC   Sep-29-04 08:29 PM   #106 
                                       Other than the LDEO one, no  Robb   Sep-29-04 08:53 PM   #108 
                                       Thanks! Like I said, I really know nothing about the subject.  MercutioATC   Sep-29-04 10:45 PM   #111 
                                       Pretty sure it's here:  Robb   Sep-30-04 08:53 AM   #117 
                                       Sure the intervening terrain can make a difference.  stickdog   Sep-30-04 11:04 AM   #118 
                                       I wasn't saying the the terrain made a 3-minute difference, I was asking  MercutioATC   Sep-30-04 07:03 PM   #136 
                                       There is surely no doubt  RH   Oct-01-04 06:36 AM   #140 
                                       You're right, pure conjecture  Robb   Oct-01-04 01:51 PM   #141 
                                       No need to be so silly.  RH   Oct-01-04 02:44 PM   #142 
                                       Well, by that rationale  Robb   Oct-01-04 04:35 PM   #143 
                                       I dont see it.  RH   Oct-01-04 07:21 PM   #144 
                                       Yes. It's all an electrical disturbance. Or not.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 03:40 AM   #149 
                                       You professed to wish to encourage everybody  RH   Oct-02-04 08:58 AM   #155 
                                       That is an open question. Wallace says it's a plane crash in his judgment.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 03:36 AM   #148 
                                       Maybe that could explain it.  RH   Sep-29-04 09:44 PM   #110 
                                          Sure. There was nothing from the initial 580 mph crash.  stickdog   Oct-02-04 03:51 AM   #150 
                                          "Nothing" is not exactly the problem.  RH   Oct-02-04 08:37 AM   #152 
                                 "incontrovertible scientific evidence"?  RH   Sep-27-04 06:24 AM   #29 
                                 What? You guys are unbelievable. If you don't like the scientific evidence  stickdog   Sep-27-04 04:55 PM   #56 
                                 incontrovertible = impossible to deny or disprove  stickdog   Sep-28-04 02:34 PM   #67 
                                 Why not a conspiracy?  RH   Sep-27-04 06:38 AM   #32 
                                    Substantial?  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 06:51 AM   #33 
                                    Yes. ... Substantial  RH   Sep-27-04 10:31 AM   #34 
                                       What's new?  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 10:52 AM   #35 
                                          Wrong versions  RH   Sep-27-04 11:12 AM   #38 
                                          Thanks  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 11:17 AM   #39 
                                          That's right.  RH   Sep-27-04 11:22 AM   #41 
                                          Lucky you  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 12:40 PM   #43 
                                    Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-04 04:58 PM   #57 
                                 "The other evidence"  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 03:29 AM   #26 
                                 I see no reason. ....Why?  RH   Sep-27-04 06:14 AM   #28 
                                    Can you please answer the question!  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 06:33 AM   #30 
                                       The official timeline does not depend upon Glick.  RH   Sep-27-04 11:06 AM   #36 
                                          Oh, my God  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 11:11 AM   #37 
                                          Can you please answer the question!  RH   Sep-27-04 11:18 AM   #40 
                                             Highly unlikely  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 11:32 AM   #42 
                                             You are on the ropes!  seatnineb   Sep-27-04 01:22 PM   #45 
                                             Yes, that's the point. Either Glick's family & the FBI are lying  stickdog   Sep-27-04 05:02 PM   #58 
                                                Fine points Stickdog.  seatnineb   Sep-27-04 05:38 PM   #61 
                                          Keep defending the indefensible ron  seatnineb   Sep-27-04 01:16 PM   #44 
                                             Thanks for the source!  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 01:23 PM   #46 
                                             No worries mate!  seatnineb   Sep-27-04 01:30 PM   #47 
                                                A tape and a transcript  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 01:33 PM   #48 
                                                and you have heard the tape  RH   Sep-27-04 01:55 PM   #50 
                                                .....  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 01:58 PM   #51 
                                                I asked why  RH   Sep-27-04 02:03 PM   #52 
                                                Once and for all  John Doe II   Sep-27-04 02:10 PM   #53 
                                                I was not aware of any obligation  RH   Sep-27-04 10:03 PM   #62 
                                                Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-04 02:43 PM   #70 
                                             Huh.....?  RH   Sep-27-04 01:54 PM   #49 
                                                You´re pulling our legs now  k-robjoe   Sep-27-04 04:51 PM   #55 
                                                Yo K-Robjoe!  seatnineb   Sep-27-04 05:08 PM   #60 
                                                When all else fails, play dumb. (nt)  stickdog   Sep-27-04 05:06 PM   #59 
   Yeah, seismograph clocks and air traffic control clocks and the timing of  stickdog   Sep-26-04 12:38 AM   #10 
   Summary  John Doe II   Sep-28-04 03:27 PM   #71 
   45 seconds or several minutes?  seatnineb   Sep-28-04 06:52 PM   #73 
   Richard Makely  John Doe II   Sep-28-04 07:08 PM   #74 
   Maybe  RH   Sep-29-04 05:04 AM   #84 
      Sure  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 05:25 AM   #86 
         A cry is not a scream.  RH   Sep-29-04 06:05 AM   #87 
            Yes, it's all speculation  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 06:23 AM   #88 
               Screams would probably occur  RH   Sep-29-04 06:48 AM   #91 
                  Logic  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 07:09 AM   #92 
                     If ABSOLUTELY nothing was heard  RH   Sep-29-04 08:34 AM   #93 
                        Interrupted  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 08:42 AM   #95 
                           background noise.  RH   Sep-29-04 10:22 AM   #97 
                              GTE airfone  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 10:30 AM   #98 
                                 A silence is a connection problem.  RH   Sep-29-04 10:50 AM   #99 
                                    Wake me up please!  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 11:07 AM   #100 
                                       You've conceded the point then.  RH   Sep-29-04 11:12 AM   #101 
                                          Yes, sure  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 11:20 AM   #102 
                                             It is a not a question of explaining.  RH   Sep-29-04 12:35 PM   #103 
                                                Everything is said  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 12:42 PM   #104 
                                                Rolling lies.  seatnineb   Sep-29-04 05:46 PM   #105 
                                                Great find!  John Doe II   Sep-30-04 03:47 AM   #112 
                                                And there is is still more  John Doe II   Sep-30-04 06:46 AM   #113 
                                                then all of a sudden all contradictions are solved?  RH   Sep-30-04 08:18 AM   #114 
                                                Yes  John Doe II   Sep-30-04 08:36 AM   #115 
                                                How was it possible to keep the Manhattan Project a secret?  stickdog   Sep-30-04 11:38 AM   #120 
                                                If it was kept a secret,  RH   Sep-30-04 12:29 PM   #124 
                                                Funny  John Doe II   Sep-30-04 12:53 PM   #126 
                                                The same applies.  RH   Sep-30-04 03:34 PM   #127 
                                                Well, you've convinced me!  stickdog   Oct-02-04 04:04 AM   #151 
                                                Logically  RH   Oct-02-04 08:54 AM   #154 
                                                If you have a clue, where oh where could it be?  stickdog   Sep-30-04 04:15 PM   #129 
                                                Miles away from proving anybody lied? Using your judgment, nobody  stickdog   Sep-30-04 11:21 AM   #119 
                                                I had already specified the criteria.  RH   Sep-30-04 12:23 PM   #122 
                                                Jeremia sees all.  seatnineb   Sep-30-04 07:09 PM   #137 
   Thanks, seatnineb  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 04:00 AM   #81 
   How to do Hyperlinks  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 03:53 AM   #80 
   Summary with sources  John Doe II   Sep-29-04 04:15 AM   #82 
      Serious Question:  RH   Sep-29-04 05:10 AM   #85 
         Good question  Robb   Sep-29-04 09:03 PM   #109 
            I did. I was looking for anomalies. Instead I found about what you would  stickdog   Sep-30-04 11:53 AM   #121 
               Why motivations and personalities?  RH   Sep-30-04 12:38 PM   #125 
                  What "good effect" are you expecting from constant negative repetition?  stickdog   Sep-30-04 04:28 PM   #131 
                     "Constant negative repetition"?  RH   Sep-30-04 05:19 PM   #133 
   Third summary  John Doe II   Oct-05-04 07:11 AM   #156 
 

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