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The Riddle of the Transponders
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What was the value-added benefit for the 9/11 hijackers in turning off their transponder signals?

The planes remained visible to radar; the transponders merely ID'd the flights. And yet the transponders of all four flights were switched off. What was gained?

I think the answer is found in the proliferation of wargames on September 11, particularly the exercise called "Vigilant Guardian": the live-fly simulation of hijackings in the US Northeast staged by the Joint Chiefs and NORAD the very morning of the attacks. (Health advisory to coincidentalists: chew carefully before digesting.)

At one time on 9/11, as many as 22 aircraft appeared to be hijacked. Suddenly, the virtue, now verging on necessity, of switching off the transponders becomes evident. With loss of transponder signals the planes became bogies, and discriminating real from simulated hijackings became next to impossible.

This confusion compounded the paralysis already introduced to the system by drawing most of the Eastern seaboard's combat-ready interceptors into Northern Canada for the wargame "Northern Vigilence," and changing the standing orders for a shootdown in June 2001 by removing the discretion of field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense.

For more on the multiple wargames on 9/11, see chapter 19 (a .pdf is available online here) of Michael Ruppert's soon-to-be-released Crossing the Rubicon.
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  The Riddle of the Transponders Minstrel Boy  Sep-20-04 11:19 AM   #0 
   Occam's Razor.  ocelot   Sep-20-04 11:29 AM   #1 
   Don't knick yourself.  Minstrel Boy   Sep-20-04 11:36 AM   #2 
   An amateur terrorist hijacker  DulceDecorum   Sep-20-04 11:48 AM   #3 
   "pretty much amateurs with only basic pilot training"  Minstrel Boy   Sep-20-04 12:02 PM   #5 
   Yeah, that's the ticket! And the reason they believed this nonsense was  stickdog   Sep-20-04 01:29 PM   #9 
   As though the buzzword "Occam's Razor" would explain anything  gandalf   Sep-21-04 12:20 PM   #19 
   Transponders are a key to much of this mystery.  tngledwebb   Sep-20-04 12:01 PM   #4 
   proliferation of wargames on September 11??  LARED   Sep-20-04 12:18 PM   #6 
   Here are the ones I know:  Minstrel Boy   Sep-20-04 12:26 PM   #7 
   Please go to the-movement.com to read about transponders  higher class   Sep-20-04 12:46 PM   #8 
   Or  impe   Sep-20-04 01:39 PM   #10 
   No, we wouldn't.  MercutioATC   Sep-20-04 07:35 PM   #11 
      Ok  impe   Sep-21-04 09:05 AM   #15 
         Actually, everything could be overridden on the ground.  MercutioATC   Sep-21-04 03:34 PM   #27 
   why no transponder hijack alert?  demodewd   Sep-21-04 01:02 AM   #12 
   No code. No distress calls. No nothing. On all four planes -- even though  stickdog   Sep-21-04 01:17 AM   #13 
   simple  MrSammo1   Sep-21-04 05:13 AM   #14 
   Yeah!  seatnineb   Sep-21-04 10:04 AM   #16 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-04 12:13 PM   #18 
   Very good!  MrSammo1   Sep-21-04 10:27 PM   #29 
      Read the the threads  RH   Sep-22-04 01:45 AM   #32 
         Who was flying that busy, busy C-130 that saw both Flight 77 crash AND  stickdog   Sep-22-04 07:47 PM   #37 
         C-130 Pilot Steve O'Brien  John Doe II   Sep-23-04 03:27 AM   #39 
         John Doe II please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts  undergroundrailroadLead Moderator   Sep-23-04 09:09 AM   #42 
            Sorry about that  John Doe II   Sep-23-04 09:19 AM   #43 
         I'd like to hear from the star witness.  RH   Sep-23-04 05:24 AM   #40 
            Interesting point  John Doe II   Sep-23-04 05:51 AM   #41 
               Good work.  seatnineb   Sep-23-04 09:47 AM   #44 
                  C-130  John Doe II   Sep-23-04 10:05 AM   #45 
         right!  MrSammo1   Sep-23-04 08:07 PM   #46 
         Simple question .  seatnineb   Sep-24-04 09:31 AM   #50 
   There must have been a few pages on this  tngledwebb   Sep-21-04 11:52 AM   #17 
      Turning off the transponder, maybe not really clever  John Doe II   Sep-21-04 02:09 PM   #20 
         Very true  k-robjoe   Sep-21-04 02:21 PM   #21 
         A flight taking off from New York  RH   Sep-21-04 02:23 PM   #22 
            Thanks for the help  John Doe II   Sep-21-04 02:31 PM   #23 
               One also wonders  k-robjoe   Sep-21-04 02:39 PM   #24 
               No question for the comission  John Doe II   Sep-21-04 03:01 PM   #25 
               M-hm  k-robjoe   Sep-21-04 03:30 PM   #26 
               Thanks  John Doe II   Sep-21-04 04:03 PM   #28 
               Exactly. So if you're a suicidal hijacker, do you turn off the  stickdog   Sep-22-04 01:16 AM   #30 
               going all the way around  k-robjoe   Sep-22-04 02:32 PM   #34 
               Before invading the cockpit  RH   Sep-22-04 01:22 AM   #31 
                  No, I wouldn't wait for the autopilot  John Doe II   Sep-22-04 08:31 AM   #33 
                     increasing the risk of being shot down?  RH   Sep-22-04 04:48 PM   #35 
                        NORAD still exists?  John Doe II   Sep-22-04 05:17 PM   #36 
                        Here on 9/11 island Cleveland is on the way from Newark to DC.  stickdog   Sep-22-04 08:00 PM   #38 
                           LOLOLOL!  MrSammo1   Sep-23-04 08:10 PM   #47 
                           77 tranponder and flight maps...  greenman2   Sep-23-04 08:17 PM   #48 
                              Re: code changes  MercutioATC   Sep-23-04 10:17 PM   #49 
 

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