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Mortimer Ichabod Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:08 AM
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55. Ruby, etc
If evidence had emerged to corroborate what he said, then the lid would have blown off the entire case. Perhaps he said it because he had some shred of decency in him and wanted to at least hint at the truth? It is also my understanding that even with the JFK Act of 1992, and the subsequent release of documents through 1998, there are still well over 1 million documents pertaining to the case being withheld.

"As for the number of unreleased files, on September 29, 1998, NBC News reported that "millions" of pages would remain secret until 2017. The respected Washington watchdog group OMB Watch issued a report in 2000 quoting someone who worked with the Review Board as saying that "well over a million CIA records" alone related to JFK's assassination remain outstanding. The CIA--stated in a court filing last year that they reserved the right to withhold their unreleased JFK assassination files even beyond the 2017 deadline. It's unclear how that CIA assertion would affect copies of any of those--or related--files that might be held by other agencies, like the FBI."

If these documents have been released since, I have not been able to find something to indicate that.

You are always saying "where is the proof?" We have a deathbed confession from E. howard hunt according to his son. We have the case of marita lorenz in the mid 80s implicating the CIA. I admit, i need to do a lot more research but these would appear to be "smoking guns" if i was looking for one. And why are "millions" of pages still being withheld? Investigating the United States intelligence apparatus is different than investing Tom and Jane Smith down the street. They always have the ability to use "national security" as a reason to withhold informaton. Now I will admit, I am leaning toward the CIA involvement aspect while looking at the case, but I have just started looking into this within the past month.

I realize this may be a bit involved, and I will understand if you would rather not take the time to respond, but I saw an earlier post of yours that said you have flip flopped 3 times on your opinion of the case.

May I ask what made you change your mind each time? And also, what finally "sealed the deal" so to speak to sway you into thinking Oswald is/was the lone gunman?
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  -Oswald and paraffin tests --- defendandprotect  Oct-27-07 10:45 PM   #0 
  - "I am a patsy!"  deen   Oct-29-07 07:37 PM   #1 
  - Jack Ruby was actually a rather brave man in trying to warn us ---  defendandprotect   Oct-29-07 11:47 PM   #7 
  - A few corrections.  TheWraith   Nov-01-07 02:45 AM   #8 
  - Untrue -- Ruby made a long list of calls to Mafia figures within a day or so of JFK coup ---  defendandprotect   Nov-05-07 10:06 PM   #9 
     - Dorothy Kilgallen  MinM   Jan-18-08 12:07 AM   #16 
        - Margaret Smith  nebula   Jan-18-08 12:39 PM   #20 
           - Gerry Patrick Hemming  MinM   Feb-01-08 10:33 AM   #21 
  - Ruby tried desperately to avoid what he had been ordered to do  NowHearThis   May-16-09 03:10 PM   #25 
     - you don't have a shred of proof of any of this, dude...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 03:21 PM   #26 
        - You might enjoy this article on the CIA, Oswald, and JFK assassination  NowHearThis   May-16-09 06:55 PM   #27 
        - If you're trying to claim or imply that Oswald was CIA...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 09:45 PM   #30 
           - I know what it says. I read it and decided you might profit from it.  NowHearThis   May-16-09 09:57 PM   #31 
              - "Most researchers "  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 09:59 PM   # 
        - An introduction to the origin of the SBT (single bullet theory)  NowHearThis   May-16-09 07:34 PM   #28 
        - Chew on this article about Jack Ruby  NowHearThis   May-16-09 08:43 PM   #29 
  - "I am not resisting arrest" - that's what Oswald said when arrested at the Texas Theater  dflprincess   May-16-09 10:34 PM   #33 
  - He also drew his revolver and tried to kill the officer who got to him first...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 10:38 PM   #34 
     - He made the statement after being handcuffed  dflprincess   May-16-09 11:56 PM   #35 
        - If he was innocent, why did he try to kill the arresting officer??  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:07 AM   #36 
           - I never said he was innocent,  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:18 AM   #37 
              - All the shots trace back to the sniper's nest...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:20 AM   #38 
                 - Where the shots came from depend on which witnesses you believe  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:25 AM   #39 
                    - No, they depend on trajectory analysis...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:34 AM   #40 
                       - Again, it depends on whose recreation you choose to believe  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:45 AM   #41 
                          - The evidence needed is in the Zapruder film...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:56 AM   #42 
                             - Connally was NOT hit by the same bullet. Z film proves it.  NowHearThis   May-17-09 08:47 AM   #44 
                                - Number 1, NHT....  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 10:55 AM   #45 
                                   - Do you actually believe what you wrote?  NowHearThis   May-17-09 10:58 AM   #46 
                                      - Yeah, NHT....  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 11:08 AM   #47 
  - An honest question to those who believe Oswald was a lone nut...  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-03-10 12:33 PM   #53 
     - Not really...  SDuderstadt   Nov-03-10 04:38 PM   #54 
        - Ruby, etc  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 08:08 AM   #55 
           - The physical evidence...n/t  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 08:55 AM   #56 
              - physical evidence  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 09:20 AM   #57 
                 - I'm not interested in getting into a long...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 09:39 AM   #58 
                    - none taken  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 10:00 AM   #59 
                    - Italian Army tests  k-robjoe   Nov-04-10 10:36 AM   #60 
                       - Wow. Great video k-robjoe  Jessenio   Nov-05-10 06:51 PM   #78 
                          - Look at the video again and ask yourself...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 06:59 PM   #79 
                             - "the impact of the backstop"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 08:54 AM   #84 
                                - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 10:31 AM   #85 
                                   - "Its a bullet-proof vest"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 12:23 PM   #86 
                                      - "it would also mean that these guys from the italian army are complete fools"  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 01:03 PM   #87 
                                         - Most damage  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 05:06 PM   #88 
                                            - Jesus, this is hopeless...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 05:34 PM   #89 
                                               - "High velocity"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 05:54 PM   #90 
                                                  - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 06:37 PM   #91 
                                                  - Looks like youre right  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 06:50 PM   #92 
                    - Reading a previous thread on the evidence I found this quote:  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 10:43 AM   #61 
                       - No...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 10:47 AM   #62 
                       - you must be mistaken..  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 11:00 AM   #63 
                          - I'm hardly mistaken...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 11:04 AM   #64 
                             - i really have no idea who you think i am..  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 11:10 AM   #65 
                                - "your apparent paranoia"  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 11:16 AM   #66 
                       - Could you please link me to where...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 12:00 PM   #67 
                          - I stand corrected  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 12:37 PM   #68 
                             - Inasmuch as...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 12:49 PM   #69 
                             - cover what tracks?  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 12:54 PM   #70 
                                - And, I stand by what I said about...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 01:01 PM   #71 
                             - touche!  IScreamSundays   Nov-04-10 08:17 PM   #72 
                                - We'll add the word "touche"...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 08:21 PM   #73 
                                   - I just found it humorous that you are accusing our  IScreamSundays   Nov-05-10 03:31 PM   #76 
                                      - I never, ever accused him of being...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 03:40 PM   #77 
                                         - touche  IScreamSundays   Nov-05-10 07:37 PM   #80 
                                            - How is having to admit an egregious error...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 07:43 PM   #81 
                                               - Touche  zappaman   Nov-05-10 08:07 PM   #82 
                                                  - Conspiracists are such a hoot...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 12:13 AM   #83 
  - I remember not long after the assassination, Oswald's mother claimed he was a government agent  dflprincess   Oct-29-07 08:24 PM   #2 
  - You should look into Oswald's mother.  boloboffin   Oct-29-07 08:24 PM   #3 
     - Why , was she a MILF?  dbonds   Oct-29-07 10:37 PM   #4 
        - You are thinking of Zemeckis' version  boloboffin   Oct-29-07 10:41 PM   #5 
        - What is an MILF? EOM  able1   May-18-09 02:44 PM   #50 
           - "mother I'd like to fuck" is what it stands for - a good looking woman who's also a mother  Bolo Boffin   May-18-09 04:23 PM   #51 
              - Okey dokey. Now I know. Thank you. EOM  able1   May-18-09 06:18 PM   #52 
  - Great JFK conpiracy video: JFK II  deen   Oct-29-07 11:34 PM   #6 
  - Thanks --- good to have. Being pretty familiar with this info . . ..  defendandprotect   Nov-05-07 10:34 PM   #10 
     - peter jennings  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 06:59 AM   #11 
     - Yes . . . smokers do get cancer . . ..  defendandprotect   Nov-06-07 04:07 PM   #12 
     - have you provided  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 04:13 PM   #13 
        - What are you talking about . . .???  defendandprotect   Nov-06-07 04:50 PM   #14 
           - in other words  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 06:04 PM   #15 
     - And . . .geez . . . we haven't seen "cancer" used by the CIA to kill people . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:19 AM   #22 
     - How in the world is Peter Jennings' death even remotely suspicious,...  SDuderstadt   Jan-18-08 12:45 AM   #17 
     - The program in question is inane ---  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:24 AM   #23 
     - "Another questionable death connected to this coup on JFK"  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 01:10 PM   #75 
  - Paraffin Tests  jberryhill   Jan-18-08 12:48 AM   #18 
  - Oswald's Paraffin Tests  MinM   Jan-18-08 05:57 AM   #19 
  - Warren Commion Report: "Paraffin test on Oswald was completely unreliable" ----  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:28 AM   #24 
  - Why is the paraffin test no longer used?  jberryhill   May-17-09 01:20 AM   #43 
  - "Truther logic"...  SDuderstadt   May-18-09 12:39 PM   #49 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-16-09 09:59 PM   #32 
  - When firing bolt action rifle  vincent_vega_lives   May-18-09 12:33 PM   #48 
     - Please provide sources to your "tests"  Bignerd   Nov-05-10 09:56 AM   #74 

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