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16. Dorothy Kilgallen
"Dorthy Kilgallen was of course murdered "

YouTube - What's My Line ? After death of Dorothy Kilgallen Part 1

During her 35-year career as a gossip columnist, crime reporter and panelist on the weekly TV game show, "What's My Line?," Dorothy Kilgallen ("Dolly Mae" to her friends), was a fearless journalist who broke major stories, and was the only reporter to interview Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby. Her biggest case yet -- investigating President John F. Kennedy's assassination, and finding fault with the official story -- became the last one she ever pursued. She died mysteriously in November 1965, after being threatened, but the cops never probed further. Thanks to reruns on the Game Show Network, fans are still talking about Dorothy, including Larry King of CNN, and Dominick Dunne, who wrote about her in Vanity Fair. Now, shocking new information has emerged.

As a formidable crime reporter, Kilgallen immediately started asking tough questions of the authorities. She had a good contact within the Dallas Police Department, who gave her a copy of the original police log that chronicled the minute-by-minute activities of the department on the day of the assassination, as shown in the radio communications. This allowed her to report that the first reaction of Chief Jesse Curry to the shots in Dealey Plaza was: "Get a man on top of the overpass and see what happened up there." Kilgallen noted that he lied when he told reporters the next day that he initially thought the shots were fired from the Texas School Book Depository.

Dorothy challenged the credibility of Howard Brennan (who supposedly gave police a description of the shooter). She wrote articles about how important witnesses had been intimidated by the Dallas police or FBI.

In the midst of her aggressive reportage on the Kennedy case, Dorothy met a man who was to intrigue her the last months of her life. He helped her on some of her JFK stories but ultimately was to come under suspicion by amateur sleuths as having been involved in her death. Questions about him were raised by Lee Israel, who wrote the 1979 biography "Kilgallen." She never printed his name, and referred to him only obliquely as "the Out-of-Towner." But he is Ron Pataky, and he was interviewed by Midwest Today publisher Larry Jordan..

On Sept. 25, 1964, Kilgallen ran an interview with Acquilla Clemons, one of the witnesses to the shooting of Officer Tippit whom the Warren Commission never questioned. Clemons told Kilgallen that she saw two men running from the scene, neither of whom fit Oswald's description.

Dorothy also approached one of Jack Ruby's lawyers, Joe Tonahill. Surprisingly, Ruby (who fatally shot Lee Harvey Oswald, who was suspected of assassinating John Kennedy) agreed to talk with her. Some have speculated that Ruby would not have told her anything important, but Tonahill strongly disagrees. "This interview with her was a very significant point in his classless life," Tonahill asserts. He affirmed that Ruby "cooperated with her in every way that he could, and told her the truth as he understood it. It was just a very agreeable conversation between them. I just can't understand people doubting the sincerity of that interview."

The attorney, who observed the two talking, said that "I don't think there was any doubt about it... Jack was highly impressed with Dorothy Kilgallen... Of all the writers that were down there during the Ruby trial -- about 400 from all over the world -- she probably was the one that, to him, was the most significant."

Kilgallen never published any information she obtained from her private talk with Jack Ruby, but Ron Pataky says that's because she was "saving it for a book." She was under contract to Random House, Bennett Cerf's company, to produce a tome that was supposedly going to be a collection of stories about the famous murder trials she had covered. Instead, says Ron, "It would have been on JFK, the entire assassination. That's what we were really working on. Of course. Who better to write it? When she got into the JFK thing, as we all know, the world went crazy. But given her background, given the people she spoke with, don't you think the obvious thing would be that that would be THE book?"

One of the biggest scoops of Kilgallen's career came when she obtained the 102-page transcript of Ruby's testimony to the Warren Commission. Readers were shocked at the hopelessly inept questioning of Ruby by Chief Justice Warren, and by Warren's failure to follow up on the leads Ruby was feeding him. Attorney Melvin Belli called Dorothy's scoop "the ruin of the Warren Commission." Incidentally, John Daly, moderator of "What's My Line?", was married to Chief Justice Warren's daughter, Virginia..

Three days after Dorothy died, Bob and Jean Bach invited her widower Richard Kollmar over for dinner. Bob then asked him, "Dick, what was all that stuff in the folder Dorothy carried around with her about the assassination?" Richard replied, "Robert, I'm afraid that will have to go to the grave with me."

At the funeral, Dorothy's bereaved mother, Mae, angrily confronted Dick Kollmar. Pointing a finger at him, she said, "You killed my daughter, and I will prove it." But Marc Sinclaire said, "I don't think he could have done it. I think more than one person was involved in Dorothy's death."

On January 7, 1971, Richard Kollmar was found dead in bed of a drug overdose, just like Dorothy. David Susskind's widow, Joyce, described Dick as "this guy who was always in his cups. He had the looks, he had the intelligence to do something with his life if he had not had this alcoholic cross to bear."

In 1975, the FBI contacted Dorothy's son, Dickie, still trying to locate his mother's papers. Her JFK notes were never found..

Dick Kollmar told inconsistent stories to the police. In one version, he claimed that Dorothy had returned from "What's My Line?" at 11:30 p.m. "feeling chipper," that she "went in to write column," that he had said goodnight and then gone to bed.

Dorothy's inquiry into Jack Ruby's ties to the mob, and her relentless exploration of the Warren Report's gross inadequacies, threatened to expose dark secrets that powerful people both in and out of government did not want revealed. Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act confirm that the FBI perceived her exposs as enough of a threat that they monitored her closely.

Incredibly, the CIA had 53 field offices around the world watching her on her foreign travels. Given this context, it is hard to see her untimely death as a mere accident.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and there are enough people alive who could be questioned. But will there be enough interest by the powers that be to pursue this? As Dorothy once reflected, "Justice is a big rug. When you pull it out from under one person, a lot of others fall, too." Justice needs to be done in this case.

What's My Line ? Milton Berle Panelist 10/17/65 Part 1
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  -Oswald and paraffin tests --- defendandprotect  Oct-27-07 10:45 PM   #0 
  - "I am a patsy!"  deen   Oct-29-07 07:37 PM   #1 
  - Jack Ruby was actually a rather brave man in trying to warn us ---  defendandprotect   Oct-29-07 11:47 PM   #7 
  - A few corrections.  TheWraith   Nov-01-07 02:45 AM   #8 
  - Untrue -- Ruby made a long list of calls to Mafia figures within a day or so of JFK coup ---  defendandprotect   Nov-05-07 10:06 PM   #9 
     - Dorothy Kilgallen  MinM   Jan-18-08 12:07 AM   #16 
        - Margaret Smith  nebula   Jan-18-08 12:39 PM   #20 
           - Gerry Patrick Hemming  MinM   Feb-01-08 10:33 AM   #21 
  - Ruby tried desperately to avoid what he had been ordered to do  NowHearThis   May-16-09 03:10 PM   #25 
     - you don't have a shred of proof of any of this, dude...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 03:21 PM   #26 
        - You might enjoy this article on the CIA, Oswald, and JFK assassination  NowHearThis   May-16-09 06:55 PM   #27 
        - If you're trying to claim or imply that Oswald was CIA...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 09:45 PM   #30 
           - I know what it says. I read it and decided you might profit from it.  NowHearThis   May-16-09 09:57 PM   #31 
              - "Most researchers "  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 09:59 PM   # 
        - An introduction to the origin of the SBT (single bullet theory)  NowHearThis   May-16-09 07:34 PM   #28 
        - Chew on this article about Jack Ruby  NowHearThis   May-16-09 08:43 PM   #29 
  - "I am not resisting arrest" - that's what Oswald said when arrested at the Texas Theater  dflprincess   May-16-09 10:34 PM   #33 
  - He also drew his revolver and tried to kill the officer who got to him first...  SDuderstadt   May-16-09 10:38 PM   #34 
     - He made the statement after being handcuffed  dflprincess   May-16-09 11:56 PM   #35 
        - If he was innocent, why did he try to kill the arresting officer??  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:07 AM   #36 
           - I never said he was innocent,  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:18 AM   #37 
              - All the shots trace back to the sniper's nest...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:20 AM   #38 
                 - Where the shots came from depend on which witnesses you believe  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:25 AM   #39 
                    - No, they depend on trajectory analysis...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:34 AM   #40 
                       - Again, it depends on whose recreation you choose to believe  dflprincess   May-17-09 12:45 AM   #41 
                          - The evidence needed is in the Zapruder film...  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 12:56 AM   #42 
                             - Connally was NOT hit by the same bullet. Z film proves it.  NowHearThis   May-17-09 08:47 AM   #44 
                                - Number 1, NHT....  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 10:55 AM   #45 
                                   - Do you actually believe what you wrote?  NowHearThis   May-17-09 10:58 AM   #46 
                                      - Yeah, NHT....  SDuderstadt   May-17-09 11:08 AM   #47 
  - An honest question to those who believe Oswald was a lone nut...  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-03-10 12:33 PM   #53 
     - Not really...  SDuderstadt   Nov-03-10 04:38 PM   #54 
        - Ruby, etc  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 08:08 AM   #55 
           - The physical evidence...n/t  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 08:55 AM   #56 
              - physical evidence  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 09:20 AM   #57 
                 - I'm not interested in getting into a long...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 09:39 AM   #58 
                    - none taken  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 10:00 AM   #59 
                    - Italian Army tests  k-robjoe   Nov-04-10 10:36 AM   #60 
                       - Wow. Great video k-robjoe  Jessenio   Nov-05-10 06:51 PM   #78 
                          - Look at the video again and ask yourself...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 06:59 PM   #79 
                             - "the impact of the backstop"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 08:54 AM   #84 
                                - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 10:31 AM   #85 
                                   - "Its a bullet-proof vest"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 12:23 PM   #86 
                                      - "it would also mean that these guys from the italian army are complete fools"  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 01:03 PM   #87 
                                         - Most damage  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 05:06 PM   #88 
                                            - Jesus, this is hopeless...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 05:34 PM   #89 
                                               - "High velocity"  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 05:54 PM   #90 
                                                  - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 06:37 PM   #91 
                                                  - Looks like youre right  k-robjoe   Nov-06-10 06:50 PM   #92 
                    - Reading a previous thread on the evidence I found this quote:  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 10:43 AM   #61 
                       - No...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 10:47 AM   #62 
                       - you must be mistaken..  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 11:00 AM   #63 
                          - I'm hardly mistaken...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 11:04 AM   #64 
                             - i really have no idea who you think i am..  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 11:10 AM   #65 
                                - "your apparent paranoia"  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 11:16 AM   #66 
                       - Could you please link me to where...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 12:00 PM   #67 
                          - I stand corrected  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 12:37 PM   #68 
                             - Inasmuch as...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 12:49 PM   #69 
                             - cover what tracks?  Mortimer Ichabod   Nov-04-10 12:54 PM   #70 
                                - And, I stand by what I said about...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 01:01 PM   #71 
                             - touche!  IScreamSundays   Nov-04-10 08:17 PM   #72 
                                - We'll add the word "touche"...  SDuderstadt   Nov-04-10 08:21 PM   #73 
                                   - I just found it humorous that you are accusing our  IScreamSundays   Nov-05-10 03:31 PM   #76 
                                      - I never, ever accused him of being...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 03:40 PM   #77 
                                         - touche  IScreamSundays   Nov-05-10 07:37 PM   #80 
                                            - How is having to admit an egregious error...  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 07:43 PM   #81 
                                               - Touche  zappaman   Nov-05-10 08:07 PM   #82 
                                                  - Conspiracists are such a hoot...  SDuderstadt   Nov-06-10 12:13 AM   #83 
  - I remember not long after the assassination, Oswald's mother claimed he was a government agent  dflprincess   Oct-29-07 08:24 PM   #2 
  - You should look into Oswald's mother.  boloboffin   Oct-29-07 08:24 PM   #3 
     - Why , was she a MILF?  dbonds   Oct-29-07 10:37 PM   #4 
        - You are thinking of Zemeckis' version  boloboffin   Oct-29-07 10:41 PM   #5 
        - What is an MILF? EOM  able1   May-18-09 02:44 PM   #50 
           - "mother I'd like to fuck" is what it stands for - a good looking woman who's also a mother  Bolo Boffin   May-18-09 04:23 PM   #51 
              - Okey dokey. Now I know. Thank you. EOM  able1   May-18-09 06:18 PM   #52 
  - Great JFK conpiracy video: JFK II  deen   Oct-29-07 11:34 PM   #6 
  - Thanks --- good to have. Being pretty familiar with this info . . ..  defendandprotect   Nov-05-07 10:34 PM   #10 
     - peter jennings  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 06:59 AM   #11 
     - Yes . . . smokers do get cancer . . ..  defendandprotect   Nov-06-07 04:07 PM   #12 
     - have you provided  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 04:13 PM   #13 
        - What are you talking about . . .???  defendandprotect   Nov-06-07 04:50 PM   #14 
           - in other words  sabbat hunter   Nov-06-07 06:04 PM   #15 
     - And . . .geez . . . we haven't seen "cancer" used by the CIA to kill people . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:19 AM   #22 
     - How in the world is Peter Jennings' death even remotely suspicious,...  SDuderstadt   Jan-18-08 12:45 AM   #17 
     - The program in question is inane ---  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:24 AM   #23 
     - "Another questionable death connected to this coup on JFK"  SDuderstadt   Nov-05-10 01:10 PM   #75 
  - Paraffin Tests  jberryhill   Jan-18-08 12:48 AM   #18 
  - Oswald's Paraffin Tests  MinM   Jan-18-08 05:57 AM   #19 
  - Warren Commion Report: "Paraffin test on Oswald was completely unreliable" ----  defendandprotect   Feb-03-08 12:28 AM   #24 
  - Why is the paraffin test no longer used?  jberryhill   May-17-09 01:20 AM   #43 
  - "Truther logic"...  SDuderstadt   May-18-09 12:39 PM   #49 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-16-09 09:59 PM   #32 
  - When firing bolt action rifle  vincent_vega_lives   May-18-09 12:33 PM   #48 
     - Please provide sources to your "tests"  Bignerd   Nov-05-10 09:56 AM   #74 

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