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85. It's the same report you're already looking at....
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  -Mineta: Cheneys were in PEOC bunker BEFORE 911 attack Texas Explorer  Jul-01-07 01:19 PM   #0 
  - nothing suprises me anymore  greenbriar   Jul-01-07 01:20 PM   #1 
  - Both Cheney and Rumsfeld lied to the commission, and the members  Boo Boo   Jul-01-07 01:21 PM   #2 
  - Lions At the Gate: Our Leaders on 9/11 American Everyman  MinM   Jun-06-08 11:30 AM   #20 
  - So, this means that the "official record" is a lie. Gosh. That's not inspiring, is it? NT  MADem   Jul-01-07 01:22 PM   #3 
  - Just like where were the Air Marshals on the planes that hit n/t  Wiccan Warrior   Jul-01-07 01:22 PM   #4 
  - there are not  sabbat hunter   Jun-08-08 07:00 AM   #44 
  - And the evidence is starting to come forth.....This administration  MadMaddie   Jul-01-07 01:23 PM   #5 
  - Gee, what POSSIBLE reason would Cheney have to LIE about such a thing, hmmmm? Recommended.  dicksteele   Jul-01-07 01:24 PM   #6 
  - And we're letting this treasonous bastard get away with it all.  bushwentawol   Jul-01-07 01:24 PM   #7 
  - Any explanation from Cheney  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-01-07 01:24 PM   #8 
  - you gotta find him first!  burythehatchet   Jul-01-07 01:44 PM   #13 
  - "So?"  Clark2008   Jun-11-08 02:06 PM   #142 
  - war criminal chainy would not answer coz he can't recall... n/t  Amonester   Nov-15-09 02:44 AM   #196 
  - mis-spoke? we'll never know depths of cheneys' evil.....  spanone   Jul-01-07 01:24 PM   #9 
  - Addendum:  Texas Explorer   Jul-01-07 01:37 PM   #10 
  - Off to the ghetto for this thread, I fear  RufusTFirefly   Jul-01-07 01:38 PM   #11 
  - I agree...  Texas Explorer   Jul-01-07 01:42 PM   #12 
  - Annnnddd...here we are. So, this is what the dungeon looks like? n/t  Texas Explorer   Jul-01-07 02:01 PM   #16 
     - sit down, take your shoes off, stay awhile and be careful of the  seemslikeadream   Jul-01-07 02:46 PM   #18 
        - Is that Karl Rove? NT.  ryan_cats   Dec-02-11 11:00 AM   #198 
  - Bit a K&R will increase it's fleeting visibility.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-01-07 01:49 PM   #14 
  - Meanwhile, Dub was still hanging out at an elementary school. Curious, huh. n/t  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jul-01-07 01:50 PM   #15 
  - You searched but didn't find it?  boloboffin   Jul-01-07 02:10 PM   #17 
  - yes bolo knows more than anyone who was there on the scene...  wildbilln864   Jun-09-08 11:11 AM   #48 
  - Actually, that's quite silly.  boloboffin   Jun-09-08 11:20 AM   #49 
     - everyone else?  wildbilln864   Jun-09-08 11:48 AM   #50 
        - You think wrong.  boloboffin   Jun-09-08 01:24 PM   #52 
           - Whose facts supplied to whom? n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:31 PM   #69 
           - there are no facts!  wildbilln864   Dec-01-11 09:23 PM   #197 
  - Where is this "evidence"? Who supplied this "evidence" to whom? n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:29 PM   #68 
  - Thanks for posting this  Hope2006   Jul-02-07 01:50 AM   #19 
  - Mineta is a thorn in Cheney's official story  Bassman66   Jun-06-08 11:50 AM   #21 
  - Or he's merely mistaken...  SDuderstadt   Jun-06-08 11:54 AM   #22 
     - It needs clearing up, that's for sure.  Bassman66   Jun-06-08 11:55 AM   #23 
     - But it HAS been cleared up...  SDuderstadt   Jun-06-08 12:07 PM   #25 
        - Has Mineta said he was mistaken?  Bassman66   Jun-06-08 04:12 PM   #27 
        - I'm saying that not everything needs investigating...  SDuderstadt   Jun-06-08 07:02 PM   #30 
           - Exactly. If contradictions exists, don't investigate them!  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:36 PM   #72 
              - Another stupid either-or argument from you, mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 04:50 PM   #76 
                 - Please demonstrate what your Logic 000.5 course has to do with  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:08 PM   #81 
                    - Because you discount Logic as a means of adopting a position...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:11 PM   #84 
                       - I don't discount logic. I discount your contention that your infantile  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:15 PM   #88 
                          - "infantile understanding of Logic"  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:29 PM   #92 
                             - I truly envy your bliss.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:50 PM   #96 
                                - "The relationship between validity and truth depends upon one's definitions for each"  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:04 PM   #102 
                                   - Everything in my post was 100% true. Surely you must realize that  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:36 PM   #107 
                                      - Another stupid strawman argument from you, mhatrw  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:43 PM   #111 
                                         - Yes, Mineta said he could have possibly been wrong about the time.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 10:27 PM   #120 
                                            - Quit playing dumb, mhatrw...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 10:30 PM   #121 
                                               - You sent me what? Where?  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:23 AM   #126 
        - What the hell has been debunked? Mineta just confirmed the discrepancy again. n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:34 PM   #71 
     - Do you remember what you were doing on 9/11?  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:32 PM   #70 
        - They're also more confusing and often happen at a rapid pace...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 04:54 PM   #77 
           - You didn't answer the question. Are we or are we not more apt to  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:17 PM   #89 
              - I would think more people can remember details of their wedding day than  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:41 PM   #95 
              - We all remember what we were doing on 9/11 -- just like almost every US citizen old enough  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:57 PM   #99 
                 - Bullshit, mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:12 PM   #105 
                    - Do you remember what YOU were doing on 9/11? Do you?  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:41 PM   #109 
                       - Funny you should mention that...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:51 PM   #113 
                          - Certainly human memory has quirks and is imperfect.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 10:31 PM   #122 
                             - Because there's more to remember.....  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 12:22 AM   #125 
                             - Please cite the experts who back your counterintuitive claim that people misremember  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:26 AM   #127 
                                - "memorable" is kind of a broad term...  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 05:53 PM   #143 
                                   - Nice complete non-response.  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 03:26 AM   #144 
                                      - Yeah, that cognitive neuroscience is sure funny....  SDuderstadt   Jun-12-08 10:27 AM   #150 
                                         - Where are the experts who back up your moronic contention that memorable events  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 04:36 PM   #156 
                             - Most people react adversely to stress,  hack89   Jun-13-08 09:24 PM   #162 
                                - Show us the studies that demonstrate that people misremember  mhatrw   Jun-14-08 01:52 PM   #169 
                                   - Where are your studies?  hack89   Jun-15-08 05:58 AM   #172 
                                      - Do you remember what you were doing on 9/11?  mhatrw   Jun-16-08 01:31 PM   #180 
                                         - FBI FOIA Request  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-08 07:08 PM   #183 
              - That isn't a yes or no question.  Realityhack   Jun-10-08 06:54 PM   #114 
                 - Exactly...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:57 PM   #116 
                 - Well.  Realityhack   Jun-10-08 07:00 PM   #117 
                 - Of course it isn't. The issue I had was SD's insistence that catastrophes  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 10:35 PM   #123 
                    - Well... that wasn't my claim but...  Realityhack   Jun-11-08 08:26 AM   #136 
                       - Which brings us back to the point. Whose conflicting testimony causes you to conclude that  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 09:58 AM   #137 
                       - Jesus, mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 10:10 AM   #139 
                          - Yes. Which eyewitnesses provided this testimony to the news media?  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 03:27 AM   #145 
                             - Again, your case seems to rely only on the eyewitness testimony of...  SDuderstadt   Jun-12-08 10:31 AM   #152 
                                - Produce the primary evidence that trumps Mineta's on the record  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 04:38 PM   #157 
                                   - Mineta's own testemony?  Realityhack   Jun-14-08 12:23 PM   #164 
                                   - Based on whose testimony was Mineta mistaken?  mhatrw   Jun-14-08 01:44 PM   #166 
                                   - Lets give a little example  Realityhack   Jun-14-08 01:05 PM   #165 
                                      - Based on whose conflicting testimony was Mineta mistaken about Cheney being  mhatrw   Jun-14-08 01:46 PM   #167 
                                         - Sorry but you dodged mine.  Realityhack   Jun-14-08 02:35 PM   #170 
                                            - Yes, I admit that the ground hold in New York almost certainly didn't happen until  mhatrw   Jun-14-08 04:47 PM   #171 
                                               - Have you read the link? n/t  Realityhack   Jun-15-08 07:03 AM   #173 
                                                  - Yes, I read the link. And I don't see anyone's direct on the record testimony  mhatrw   Jun-16-08 01:33 PM   #181 
                                                  - I see problems with his timeline. n/t  Realityhack   Jun-18-08 02:27 PM   #186 
                       - Exactly n/t  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 10:05 AM   #138 
  - Your headline is misleading (at best)  LARED   Jun-06-08 12:04 PM   #24 
  - Mineta has also confirmed that what he heard was a shootdown order...  SDuderstadt   Jun-06-08 12:08 PM   #26 
     - No, he confirmed what he thought it was.  Bassman66   Jun-06-08 04:13 PM   #28 
        - And what did he base that on?  SDuderstadt   Jun-06-08 06:51 PM   #29 
           - I'm seriously suggesting there is a difference in stories  Bassman66   Jun-07-08 02:01 AM   #31 
              - Or you could simply read how the other available evidence shows...  SDuderstadt   Jun-07-08 02:23 AM   #32 
                 - Since you know him, can you ask him if he was mistaken?  elias7   Jun-07-08 08:24 AM   #33 
                    - Now you're claiming Cheney threatened his life?  SDuderstadt   Jun-07-08 09:00 AM   #35 
                    - No, I don't think Cheney would play hardball politics  elias7   Jun-09-08 12:50 PM   #51 
                       - He didn't say that.  boloboffin   Jun-09-08 01:26 PM   #53 
                          - Profound disconnect?  elias7   Jun-09-08 01:56 PM   #54 
                             - The timeline is "constructed" from the evidence. Mineta's timing doesn't match the evidence.  boloboffin   Jun-09-08 03:08 PM   #55 
                                - who is spreading bullshit? which posts?  elias7   Jun-09-08 05:21 PM   #56 
                                - Here's a post spreading bullshit.....  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-09-08 05:50 PM   #57 
                                - Point to evidence we're...  SDuderstadt   Jun-09-08 07:41 PM   #58 
                                   - ummm, Mineta?  elias7   Jun-10-08 10:35 AM   #60 
                                      - I'm not ignoring Mineta.  boloboffin   Jun-10-08 10:41 AM   #61 
                                      - No, Mineta's story doesn't match everything else but the timing.  eomer   Jun-10-08 10:47 AM   #62 
                                      - Oh, you're right, his call out numbers are different  boloboffin   Jun-10-08 11:49 AM   #63 
                                         - No, it's not just the call out numbers.  eomer   Jun-10-08 01:11 PM   #65 
                                         - Monte wasn't giving him the numbers. I don't know where you got that.  boloboffin   Jun-10-08 01:26 PM   #66 
                                         - I got that from Mineta.  eomer   Jun-10-08 04:03 PM   #67 
                                         - Who is "everyone else"? Where is their testimony about the "actual" chronology? n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:40 PM   #74 
                                         - Your post suggests you haven't even bothered to figure this out for yourself....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 04:57 PM   #78 
                                         - Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission is on public record. Now he has confirmed this testimony.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:10 PM   #82 
                                         - It's the same report you're already looking at....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:12 PM   #85 
                                         - Produce the actual firsthand testimony that contradicts Mineta's account then.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:19 PM   #90 
                                         - Read the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission Report, mhatrw...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:30 PM   #93 
                                         - That is my very point.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:52 PM   #98 
                                         - I don't think the SS is "unknown", mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:08 PM   #103 
                                         - Please produce the SS's public testimony about the events of 9/11  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:40 PM   #108 
                                         - Do you realize why the SS might not release every detail....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:55 PM   #115 
                                         - For someone who stresses logic, you surely love the dodge.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 10:42 PM   #124 
                                         - You don't know what the fuck I'm basing it on...  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 12:27 AM   #128 
                                         - You are correct. I have no idea what evidence you are basing your opinions on.  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:31 AM   #130 
                                         - This is the last time I'm fricking posting this, mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 12:42 AM   #132 
                                         - I hope to God it is the last time ANYONE posts such ludicrous propaganda.  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:54 AM   #134 
                                         - For the record....  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 10:16 AM   #140 
                                         - It's telling that you are afraid to advance your own argument.  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 03:30 AM   #146 
                                      - His story does match everything else, just not how the commission report lays it down  elias7   Jun-12-08 07:23 AM   #148 
                                      - We're hardly "ignoring" Mineta...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 11:50 AM   #64 
                                         - see post 148  elias7   Jun-12-08 07:38 AM   #149 
                                            - We're not discounting his testimony at all...  SDuderstadt   Jun-12-08 10:34 AM   #153 
                                               - Not sure what you mean by that.  eomer   Jun-12-08 11:34 AM   #154 
                                               - I have little else to add to eomer's response to you (post 148)  elias7   Jun-12-08 12:00 PM   #155 
                                - Where is this "evidence"? What does it consist of? Who provided it to whom? n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:38 PM   #73 
                                   - See my earlier reply...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 04:59 PM   #79 
                                      - As usual, you have nothing. n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:11 PM   #83 
                                         - No, as usual, YOU have nothing n/t  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:13 PM   #86 
                                            - My evidence is Mineta's publicly released testimony to the 9/11 Commission and  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:26 PM   #91 
                                               - Jesus, Dude....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:38 PM   #94 
                                                  - I have a witness who produced public testimony.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:00 PM   #100 
                                                  - Your witness has publicly admitted he could be wrong N/T  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:09 PM   #104 
                                                  - You have no witnesses. You have no contradictory testimony.  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:43 PM   #110 
                                                  - Bullshit, mhatrw.....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 07:05 PM   #118 
                                                  - I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm simply saying that Mineta's public testimony  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:29 AM   #129 
                    - Mineta confirmed that it was flight 77  k-robjoe   Jun-07-08 09:28 AM   #36 
                    - Mineta is mistaken. n/t  boloboffin   Jun-07-08 09:33 AM   #37 
                       - Yes, because some silly internet poster knows more than the man who was there, right?  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-08-08 06:40 PM   #45 
                    - Notice also  k-robjoe   Jun-07-08 09:43 AM   #38 
  - Dick Cheney was not evacuated from his office until 9:35 a.m.  boloboffin   Jun-07-08 08:43 AM   #34 
  - We know from Jane garvey's written statement to the Nine Eleven Commission  truedelphi   Jun-09-08 10:23 PM   #59 
  - Exactly as I thought. Your "evidence" is Zelikow's interpretation of  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 04:45 PM   #75 
     - It's pretty silly to think all the commission members....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:03 PM   #80 
        - So the people picked specifically BECAUSE they would fall in line  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 05:13 PM   #87 
           - You're claiming Gorelick was picked because she would fall in line?  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 05:50 PM   #97 
              - It's amazing how you manage to find time to discuss anything except the point..  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:02 PM   #101 
                 - For the last fricking time, mhatrw....  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 06:13 PM   #106 
                    - So you admit you have nothing. I'm glad that is finally settled. n/t  mhatrw   Jun-10-08 06:43 PM   #112 
                       - It's hardly settled, except in your mind...  SDuderstadt   Jun-10-08 07:17 PM   #119 
                          - What bullshit. So you post a propaganda link to make your "point."  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:35 AM   #131 
                             - Propaganda link????  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 12:46 AM   #133 
                                - It's your fucking "evidence", not mine.  mhatrw   Jun-11-08 12:56 AM   #135 
                                   - Do you think things are only proved by eyewitness testimony???  SDuderstadt   Jun-11-08 10:22 AM   #141 
                                      - Where is the better evidence than Mineta's on the record eyewitness testimony?  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 03:32 AM   #147 
                                         - I have repeatedly....  SDuderstadt   Jun-12-08 10:29 AM   #151 
                                            - You have repeatly refused to produce any testimony that contradicts  mhatrw   Jun-12-08 04:41 PM   #158 
  - I'm sure we all agree  Bassman66   Jun-07-08 12:08 PM   #39 
  - Would that make you happy?  Sweet Pea   Jun-07-08 06:25 PM   #40 
     - So you're happy with the White House obstructed version?  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-07-08 09:07 PM   #41 
     - Actually, I am surprised  Hope2006   Jun-07-08 09:50 PM   #42 
     - If the same information came out  Bassman66   Jun-08-08 02:21 AM   #43 
  - Omigod! I have irrefutable evidence of a ...  SDuderstadt   Jun-08-08 10:26 PM   #46 
  - I thought you had some big deposition to get caught up on and couldn't debate  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-09-08 12:06 AM   #47 
  - Cheney and Mineta are both on record stating they were in PEOC before Pentagon hit  elias7   Jun-13-08 03:06 PM   #159 
  - They had the SS logs....  SDuderstadt   Jun-13-08 04:16 PM   #160 
     - Mineta arrived before the crash, according the log  elias7   Jun-13-08 04:27 PM   #161 
     - SDude, invoker of logical fallacies, where did you go?  elias7   Jun-14-08 08:09 AM   #163 
     - What did the SS logs say? Who created them when? Whose testimony were they based on?  mhatrw   Jun-14-08 01:49 PM   #168 
  - FOIA  k-robjoe   Jun-16-08 09:17 AM   #174 
  - It's evidence of a poorly worded FOIA request.  boloboffin   Jun-16-08 09:27 AM   #175 
     - The reply indicates  Bassman66   Jun-16-08 09:42 AM   #176 
     - Nope. You're reading into it.  boloboffin   Jun-16-08 09:46 AM   #177 
        - The reply is no "no documents"  Bassman66   Jun-16-08 09:59 AM   #178 
        - Yeah, that's the ticket!  mhatrw   Jun-16-08 01:42 PM   #182 
     - File no. 20080330  k-robjoe   Jun-16-08 12:46 PM   #179 
        - The file number is of the requests being made, like a case number.  boloboffin   Jun-18-08 04:33 AM   #184 
           - Appeal  k-robjoe   Jun-18-08 09:09 AM   #185 
  - In 04 Interview, Cheney Denied Role in C.I.A. Leak  MinM   Oct-31-09 06:02 PM   #187 
  - Thank you for keeping this clear and in front of us . . . Cheney = TREASON . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-04-09 09:54 PM   #188 
  - too late.these facts have been placed under a cone of silence.  Algorem   Nov-05-09 12:34 AM   #189 
  - Mineta needs to say everything he knows so there's no motive for the High Perps to kill him eom  aldo   Nov-12-09 04:52 PM   #190 
     - "Truther Logic"....  SDuderstadt   Nov-12-09 06:01 PM   #191 
        - It's Like The Lincoln Assassination....  jberryhill   Nov-12-09 06:30 PM   #192 
           - Or in the JFK assassination when someone tangential would die...  SDuderstadt   Nov-12-09 07:37 PM   #193 
              - It worked for King Tut  jberryhill   Nov-12-09 09:30 PM   #194 
                 - I think in Logic...  SDuderstadt   Nov-12-09 10:39 PM   #195 
 

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