| 9. mis-spoke? we'll never know depths of cheneys' evil..... |
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he has made sure of that.
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| -Mineta: Cheneys were in PEOC bunker BEFORE 911 attack |
Texas Explorer |
Jul-01-07 01:19 PM |
#0 |
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nothing suprises me anymore |
greenbriar |
Jul-01-07 01:20 PM |
#1 |
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Both Cheney and Rumsfeld lied to the commission, and the members |
Boo Boo |
Jul-01-07 01:21 PM |
#2 |
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Lions At the Gate: Our Leaders on 9/11 « American Everyman |
MinM |
Jun-06-08 11:30 AM |
#20 |
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So, this means that the "official record" is a lie. Gosh. That's not inspiring, is it? NT |
MADem |
Jul-01-07 01:22 PM |
#3 |
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Just like where were the Air Marshals on the planes that hit n/t |
Wiccan Warrior |
Jul-01-07 01:22 PM |
#4 |
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there are not |
sabbat hunter |
Jun-08-08 07:00 AM |
#44 |
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And the evidence is starting to come forth.....This administration |
MadMaddie |
Jul-01-07 01:23 PM |
#5 |
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Gee, what POSSIBLE reason would Cheney have to LIE about such a thing, hmmmm? Recommended. |
dicksteele |
Jul-01-07 01:24 PM |
#6 |
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And we're letting this treasonous bastard get away with it all. |
bushwentawol |
Jul-01-07 01:24 PM |
#7 |
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Any explanation from Cheney |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Jul-01-07 01:24 PM |
#8 |
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you gotta find him first! |
burythehatchet |
Jul-01-07 01:44 PM |
#13 |
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"So?" |
Clark2008 |
Jun-11-08 02:06 PM |
#142 |
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war criminal chainy would not answer coz he can't recall... n/t |
Amonester |
Nov-15-09 02:44 AM |
#196 |
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mis-spoke? we'll never know depths of cheneys' evil..... |
spanone |
Jul-01-07 01:24 PM |
#9 |
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Addendum: |
Texas Explorer |
Jul-01-07 01:37 PM |
#10 |
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Off to the ghetto for this thread, I fear |
RufusTFirefly |
Jul-01-07 01:38 PM |
#11 |
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I agree... |
Texas Explorer |
Jul-01-07 01:42 PM |
#12 |
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Annnnddd...here we are. So, this is what the dungeon looks like? n/t |
Texas Explorer |
Jul-01-07 02:01 PM |
#16 |
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sit down, take your shoes off, stay awhile and be careful of the |
seemslikeadream |
Jul-01-07 02:46 PM |
#18 |
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Is that Karl Rove? NT. |
ryan_cats |
Dec-02-11 11:00 AM |
#198 |
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Bit a K&R will increase it's fleeting visibility. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-01-07 01:49 PM |
#14 |
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Meanwhile, Dub was still hanging out at an elementary school. Curious, huh. n/t |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jul-01-07 01:50 PM |
#15 |
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You searched but didn't find it? |
boloboffin |
Jul-01-07 02:10 PM |
#17 |
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yes bolo knows more than anyone who was there on the scene... |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-09-08 11:11 AM |
#48 |
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Actually, that's quite silly. |
boloboffin |
Jun-09-08 11:20 AM |
#49 |
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everyone else? |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-09-08 11:48 AM |
#50 |
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You think wrong. |
boloboffin |
Jun-09-08 01:24 PM |
#52 |
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Whose facts supplied to whom? n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:31 PM |
#69 |
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there are no facts! |
wildbilln864 |
Dec-01-11 09:23 PM |
#197 |
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Where is this "evidence"? Who supplied this "evidence" to whom? n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:29 PM |
#68 |
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Thanks for posting this |
Hope2006 |
Jul-02-07 01:50 AM |
#19 |
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Mineta is a thorn in Cheney's official story |
Bassman66 |
Jun-06-08 11:50 AM |
#21 |
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Or he's merely mistaken... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-06-08 11:54 AM |
#22 |
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It needs clearing up, that's for sure. |
Bassman66 |
Jun-06-08 11:55 AM |
#23 |
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But it HAS been cleared up... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-06-08 12:07 PM |
#25 |
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Has Mineta said he was mistaken? |
Bassman66 |
Jun-06-08 04:12 PM |
#27 |
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I'm saying that not everything needs investigating... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-06-08 07:02 PM |
#30 |
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Exactly. If contradictions exists, don't investigate them! |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:36 PM |
#72 |
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Another stupid either-or argument from you, mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 04:50 PM |
#76 |
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Please demonstrate what your Logic 000.5 course has to do with |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:08 PM |
#81 |
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Because you discount Logic as a means of adopting a position... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:11 PM |
#84 |
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I don't discount logic. I discount your contention that your infantile |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:15 PM |
#88 |
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"infantile understanding of Logic" |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:29 PM |
#92 |
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I truly envy your bliss. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:50 PM |
#96 |
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"The relationship between validity and truth depends upon one's definitions for each" |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:04 PM |
#102 |
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Everything in my post was 100% true. Surely you must realize that |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:36 PM |
#107 |
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Another stupid strawman argument from you, mhatrw |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:43 PM |
#111 |
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Yes, Mineta said he could have possibly been wrong about the time. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 10:27 PM |
#120 |
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Quit playing dumb, mhatrw... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 10:30 PM |
#121 |
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You sent me what? Where? |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:23 AM |
#126 |
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What the hell has been debunked? Mineta just confirmed the discrepancy again. n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:34 PM |
#71 |
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Do you remember what you were doing on 9/11? |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:32 PM |
#70 |
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They're also more confusing and often happen at a rapid pace... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 04:54 PM |
#77 |
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You didn't answer the question. Are we or are we not more apt to |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:17 PM |
#89 |
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I would think more people can remember details of their wedding day than |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:41 PM |
#95 |
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We all remember what we were doing on 9/11 -- just like almost every US citizen old enough |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:57 PM |
#99 |
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Bullshit, mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:12 PM |
#105 |
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Do you remember what YOU were doing on 9/11? Do you? |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:41 PM |
#109 |
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Funny you should mention that... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:51 PM |
#113 |
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Certainly human memory has quirks and is imperfect. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 10:31 PM |
#122 |
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Because there's more to remember..... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 12:22 AM |
#125 |
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Please cite the experts who back your counterintuitive claim that people misremember |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:26 AM |
#127 |
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"memorable" is kind of a broad term... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 05:53 PM |
#143 |
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Nice complete non-response. |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 03:26 AM |
#144 |
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Yeah, that cognitive neuroscience is sure funny.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-12-08 10:27 AM |
#150 |
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Where are the experts who back up your moronic contention that memorable events |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 04:36 PM |
#156 |
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Most people react adversely to stress, |
hack89 |
Jun-13-08 09:24 PM |
#162 |
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Show us the studies that demonstrate that people misremember |
mhatrw |
Jun-14-08 01:52 PM |
#169 |
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Where are your studies? |
hack89 |
Jun-15-08 05:58 AM |
#172 |
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Do you remember what you were doing on 9/11? |
mhatrw |
Jun-16-08 01:31 PM |
#180 |
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FBI FOIA Request |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-17-08 07:08 PM |
#183 |
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That isn't a yes or no question. |
Realityhack |
Jun-10-08 06:54 PM |
#114 |
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Exactly... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:57 PM |
#116 |
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Well. |
Realityhack |
Jun-10-08 07:00 PM |
#117 |
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Of course it isn't. The issue I had was SD's insistence that catastrophes |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 10:35 PM |
#123 |
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Well... that wasn't my claim but... |
Realityhack |
Jun-11-08 08:26 AM |
#136 |
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Which brings us back to the point. Whose conflicting testimony causes you to conclude that |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 09:58 AM |
#137 |
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Jesus, mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 10:10 AM |
#139 |
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Yes. Which eyewitnesses provided this testimony to the news media? |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 03:27 AM |
#145 |
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Again, your case seems to rely only on the eyewitness testimony of... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-12-08 10:31 AM |
#152 |
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Produce the primary evidence that trumps Mineta's on the record |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 04:38 PM |
#157 |
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Mineta's own testemony? |
Realityhack |
Jun-14-08 12:23 PM |
#164 |
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Based on whose testimony was Mineta mistaken? |
mhatrw |
Jun-14-08 01:44 PM |
#166 |
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Lets give a little example |
Realityhack |
Jun-14-08 01:05 PM |
#165 |
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Based on whose conflicting testimony was Mineta mistaken about Cheney being |
mhatrw |
Jun-14-08 01:46 PM |
#167 |
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Sorry but you dodged mine. |
Realityhack |
Jun-14-08 02:35 PM |
#170 |
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Yes, I admit that the ground hold in New York almost certainly didn't happen until |
mhatrw |
Jun-14-08 04:47 PM |
#171 |
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Have you read the link? n/t |
Realityhack |
Jun-15-08 07:03 AM |
#173 |
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Yes, I read the link. And I don't see anyone's direct on the record testimony |
mhatrw |
Jun-16-08 01:33 PM |
#181 |
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I see problems with his timeline. n/t |
Realityhack |
Jun-18-08 02:27 PM |
#186 |
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Exactly n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 10:05 AM |
#138 |
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Your headline is misleading (at best) |
LARED |
Jun-06-08 12:04 PM |
#24 |
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Mineta has also confirmed that what he heard was a shootdown order... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-06-08 12:08 PM |
#26 |
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No, he confirmed what he thought it was. |
Bassman66 |
Jun-06-08 04:13 PM |
#28 |
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And what did he base that on? |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-06-08 06:51 PM |
#29 |
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I'm seriously suggesting there is a difference in stories |
Bassman66 |
Jun-07-08 02:01 AM |
#31 |
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Or you could simply read how the other available evidence shows... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-07-08 02:23 AM |
#32 |
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Since you know him, can you ask him if he was mistaken? |
elias7 |
Jun-07-08 08:24 AM |
#33 |
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Now you're claiming Cheney threatened his life? |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-07-08 09:00 AM |
#35 |
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No, I don't think Cheney would play hardball politics |
elias7 |
Jun-09-08 12:50 PM |
#51 |
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He didn't say that. |
boloboffin |
Jun-09-08 01:26 PM |
#53 |
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Profound disconnect? |
elias7 |
Jun-09-08 01:56 PM |
#54 |
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The timeline is "constructed" from the evidence. Mineta's timing doesn't match the evidence. |
boloboffin |
Jun-09-08 03:08 PM |
#55 |
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who is spreading bullshit? which posts? |
elias7 |
Jun-09-08 05:21 PM |
#56 |
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Here's a post spreading bullshit..... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jun-09-08 05:50 PM |
#57 |
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Point to evidence we're... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-09-08 07:41 PM |
#58 |
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ummm, Mineta? |
elias7 |
Jun-10-08 10:35 AM |
#60 |
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I'm not ignoring Mineta. |
boloboffin |
Jun-10-08 10:41 AM |
#61 |
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No, Mineta's story doesn't match everything else but the timing. |
eomer |
Jun-10-08 10:47 AM |
#62 |
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Oh, you're right, his call out numbers are different |
boloboffin |
Jun-10-08 11:49 AM |
#63 |
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No, it's not just the call out numbers. |
eomer |
Jun-10-08 01:11 PM |
#65 |
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Monte wasn't giving him the numbers. I don't know where you got that. |
boloboffin |
Jun-10-08 01:26 PM |
#66 |
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I got that from Mineta. |
eomer |
Jun-10-08 04:03 PM |
#67 |
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Who is "everyone else"? Where is their testimony about the "actual" chronology? n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:40 PM |
#74 |
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Your post suggests you haven't even bothered to figure this out for yourself.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 04:57 PM |
#78 |
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Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission is on public record. Now he has confirmed this testimony. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:10 PM |
#82 |
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It's the same report you're already looking at.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:12 PM |
#85 |
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Produce the actual firsthand testimony that contradicts Mineta's account then. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:19 PM |
#90 |
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Read the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission Report, mhatrw... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:30 PM |
#93 |
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That is my very point. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:52 PM |
#98 |
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I don't think the SS is "unknown", mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:08 PM |
#103 |
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Please produce the SS's public testimony about the events of 9/11 |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:40 PM |
#108 |
| -
Do you realize why the SS might not release every detail.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:55 PM |
#115 |
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For someone who stresses logic, you surely love the dodge. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 10:42 PM |
#124 |
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You don't know what the fuck I'm basing it on... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 12:27 AM |
#128 |
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You are correct. I have no idea what evidence you are basing your opinions on. |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:31 AM |
#130 |
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This is the last time I'm fricking posting this, mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 12:42 AM |
#132 |
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I hope to God it is the last time ANYONE posts such ludicrous propaganda. |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:54 AM |
#134 |
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For the record.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 10:16 AM |
#140 |
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It's telling that you are afraid to advance your own argument. |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 03:30 AM |
#146 |
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His story does match everything else, just not how the commission report lays it down |
elias7 |
Jun-12-08 07:23 AM |
#148 |
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We're hardly "ignoring" Mineta... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 11:50 AM |
#64 |
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see post 148 |
elias7 |
Jun-12-08 07:38 AM |
#149 |
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We're not discounting his testimony at all... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-12-08 10:34 AM |
#153 |
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Not sure what you mean by that. |
eomer |
Jun-12-08 11:34 AM |
#154 |
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I have little else to add to eomer's response to you (post 148) |
elias7 |
Jun-12-08 12:00 PM |
#155 |
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Where is this "evidence"? What does it consist of? Who provided it to whom? n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:38 PM |
#73 |
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See my earlier reply... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 04:59 PM |
#79 |
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As usual, you have nothing. n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:11 PM |
#83 |
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No, as usual, YOU have nothing n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:13 PM |
#86 |
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My evidence is Mineta's publicly released testimony to the 9/11 Commission and |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:26 PM |
#91 |
| -
Jesus, Dude.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:38 PM |
#94 |
| -
I have a witness who produced public testimony. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:00 PM |
#100 |
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Your witness has publicly admitted he could be wrong N/T |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:09 PM |
#104 |
| -
You have no witnesses. You have no contradictory testimony. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:43 PM |
#110 |
| -
Bullshit, mhatrw..... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 07:05 PM |
#118 |
| -
I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm simply saying that Mineta's public testimony |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:29 AM |
#129 |
| -
Mineta confirmed that it was flight 77 |
k-robjoe |
Jun-07-08 09:28 AM |
#36 |
| -
Mineta is mistaken. n/t |
boloboffin |
Jun-07-08 09:33 AM |
#37 |
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Yes, because some silly internet poster knows more than the man who was there, right? |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jun-08-08 06:40 PM |
#45 |
| -
Notice also |
k-robjoe |
Jun-07-08 09:43 AM |
#38 |
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Dick Cheney was not evacuated from his office until 9:35 a.m. |
boloboffin |
Jun-07-08 08:43 AM |
#34 |
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We know from Jane garvey's written statement to the Nine Eleven Commission |
truedelphi |
Jun-09-08 10:23 PM |
#59 |
| -
Exactly as I thought. Your "evidence" is Zelikow's interpretation of |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 04:45 PM |
#75 |
| -
It's pretty silly to think all the commission members.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:03 PM |
#80 |
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So the people picked specifically BECAUSE they would fall in line |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 05:13 PM |
#87 |
| -
You're claiming Gorelick was picked because she would fall in line? |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 05:50 PM |
#97 |
| -
It's amazing how you manage to find time to discuss anything except the point.. |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:02 PM |
#101 |
| -
For the last fricking time, mhatrw.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 06:13 PM |
#106 |
| -
So you admit you have nothing. I'm glad that is finally settled. n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-10-08 06:43 PM |
#112 |
| -
It's hardly settled, except in your mind... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-10-08 07:17 PM |
#119 |
| -
What bullshit. So you post a propaganda link to make your "point." |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:35 AM |
#131 |
| -
Propaganda link???? |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 12:46 AM |
#133 |
| -
It's your fucking "evidence", not mine. |
mhatrw |
Jun-11-08 12:56 AM |
#135 |
| -
Do you think things are only proved by eyewitness testimony??? |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-11-08 10:22 AM |
#141 |
| -
Where is the better evidence than Mineta's on the record eyewitness testimony? |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 03:32 AM |
#147 |
| -
I have repeatedly.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-12-08 10:29 AM |
#151 |
| -
You have repeatly refused to produce any testimony that contradicts |
mhatrw |
Jun-12-08 04:41 PM |
#158 |
| -
I'm sure we all agree |
Bassman66 |
Jun-07-08 12:08 PM |
#39 |
| -
Would that make you happy? |
Sweet Pea |
Jun-07-08 06:25 PM |
#40 |
| -
So you're happy with the White House obstructed version? |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jun-07-08 09:07 PM |
#41 |
| -
Actually, I am surprised |
Hope2006 |
Jun-07-08 09:50 PM |
#42 |
| -
If the same information came out |
Bassman66 |
Jun-08-08 02:21 AM |
#43 |
| -
Omigod! I have irrefutable evidence of a ... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-08-08 10:26 PM |
#46 |
| -
I thought you had some big deposition to get caught up on and couldn't debate |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jun-09-08 12:06 AM |
#47 |
| -
Cheney and Mineta are both on record stating they were in PEOC before Pentagon hit |
elias7 |
Jun-13-08 03:06 PM |
#159 |
| -
They had the SS logs.... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-13-08 04:16 PM |
#160 |
| -
Mineta arrived before the crash, according the log |
elias7 |
Jun-13-08 04:27 PM |
#161 |
| -
SDude, invoker of logical fallacies, where did you go? |
elias7 |
Jun-14-08 08:09 AM |
#163 |
| -
What did the SS logs say? Who created them when? Whose testimony were they based on? |
mhatrw |
Jun-14-08 01:49 PM |
#168 |
| -
FOIA |
k-robjoe |
Jun-16-08 09:17 AM |
#174 |
| -
It's evidence of a poorly worded FOIA request. |
boloboffin |
Jun-16-08 09:27 AM |
#175 |
| -
The reply indicates |
Bassman66 |
Jun-16-08 09:42 AM |
#176 |
| -
Nope. You're reading into it. |
boloboffin |
Jun-16-08 09:46 AM |
#177 |
| -
The reply is no "no documents" |
Bassman66 |
Jun-16-08 09:59 AM |
#178 |
| -
Yeah, that's the ticket! |
mhatrw |
Jun-16-08 01:42 PM |
#182 |
| -
File no. 20080330 |
k-robjoe |
Jun-16-08 12:46 PM |
#179 |
| -
The file number is of the requests being made, like a case number. |
boloboffin |
Jun-18-08 04:33 AM |
#184 |
| -
Appeal |
k-robjoe |
Jun-18-08 09:09 AM |
#185 |
| -
In ’04 Interview, Cheney Denied Role in C.I.A. Leak |
MinM |
Oct-31-09 06:02 PM |
#187 |
| -
Thank you for keeping this clear and in front of us . . . Cheney = TREASON . . . |
defendandprotect |
Nov-04-09 09:54 PM |
#188 |
| -
too late.these facts have been placed under a cone of silence. |
Algorem |
Nov-05-09 12:34 AM |
#189 |
| -
Mineta needs to say everything he knows so there's no motive for the High Perps to kill him eom |
aldo |
Nov-12-09 04:52 PM |
#190 |
| -
"Truther Logic".... |
SDuderstadt |
Nov-12-09 06:01 PM |
#191 |
| -
It's Like The Lincoln Assassination.... |
jberryhill |
Nov-12-09 06:30 PM |
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Or in the JFK assassination when someone tangential would die... |
SDuderstadt |
Nov-12-09 07:37 PM |
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It worked for King Tut |
jberryhill |
Nov-12-09 09:30 PM |
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I think in Logic... |
SDuderstadt |
Nov-12-09 10:39 PM |
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