Reply #211: "Every statement I disagree with"

[jberryhill]

No, not at all. Jones is on the BOARD of 911truth.org. That's not the "one posting on a blog by a nut" kind of situation.

You think the no-planes guys are "pretenders"? I'm sure spooked9111 would love to have a word with you.

But there is something larger going on here, and the contours are becoming apparent.

9/11 wasn't just Bush's "Reichstag Fire", and there is an entire spectrum of fascist and proto-fascist organizations that have latched onto "9/11 truth" as an introductory route into a much more developed set of historical and economic theories.

It was reflecting on the comparisons and contrasts between the Larouchies and the John Birch Society, and also remembering my observation, from when I had briefly lived there, of how the JBS fit in just fine among ordinary folks in Utah.

But, please, the "de-bunkers" have turned the 9/11 Forum into a shambles? And they did this by arguing with the "nutjob" theories, which you never criticize. No, of course not. It's only those who argue with your unspecified "nutjobs" who are ruining the conversation.

It never matters what any given person says. All you guys ever care about is constructing group membership for en masse dismissal

Nonsense. You haven't put forward a thesis susceptible of dismissal. Your continued refrain is "of course the nutjob stuff makes no sense... how come nobody answers THESE questions..." and whereupon you loosely stitch together some insinuations, but never really spit out what it is you are on about. You further studiously avoid actually criticizing proponents of the nutjob stuff. It's only the critics of the nutjobs with whom you take issue.

The reason that you won't go after the nutty stuff, even though 9/11Truth.org suggests people legitimately seeking the truth should, is pretty apparent.

The approach is brilliant. There are CT's in want of a theory, so by studiously avoiding criticizing any particular piece of physical nonsense, the "crazy folks" are nearly always someone other than your intended reader.

Steven Jones is functionally important for the use of 9/11 Truth as an introduction to the broader conspiracy theories of history espoused by fascist and proto-fascist organizations, because while a lot of folks generally believe the LDS to lean right, some folks are completely unaware of the positive endorsement and historical flirtation between LDS leadership and the John Birch Society. See, e.g. http://www.latterdayconservative.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=339

And behind all of the "probable cause" and "beyond reasonable doubt" language, there are lists of people to be rounded up, come the Truth revolution:

http://www.sowtp.org/The_Facts_Of_September_11_2001_Investigators_List_Of_Conspirators.htm

Names which are on the below list are only placed on this list when I have irrefutable evidence of criminal activity or colluding with others in the events of September 11, 2001. Names which are on this list shall be listed on subsequent arrest warrants.

American Airlines

Demolition Consultants

Ron Dokell

Department of Defense

Donald Rumsfeld

Executive Branch of The United States Government

Condoleezza Rice

George W. Bush - President of The United States of America (1-20-2001 to current)

Richard (Dick) B. Cheney - Vice President of The United States of America (2001 to current)

Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)

Marion Clifton Blakey FAA Administrator was sworn in September 13, 2002

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

Bill Crowley

Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

George Elmer Pataki - Former New York Governor (1995-2007)

Jack Loizeaux, Founder of Controlled Demolition, Inc.

Jeb Bush - Former Florida Governor (1999-2007)

Marvin Pierce Bush - Former Stratesec/Secureacom BOD member

Legislative Branch of The United States Government

House of Representatives - Each member who has voted for the USA Patriot Act (2001) and every Representative elected to congress since 2001 simply for not demanding an independent investigation.

Senate - Each member who has voted for the USA Patriot Act (2001) and every Representative elected to congress since 2001 simply for not demanding an independent investigation.

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)

National Construction Safety Team for WTC Investigation

Fahim Sadek - Proj. Leader, Proj. 2: Baseline Structural Perf. and Aircraft Impact Damage Prediction

Frank Gayle (MSEL) - Proj. Leader, Project 3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel

Harold E. Nelson - Fire Protection Engineering Expert

H.S. Lew - Co-Project Leader, Project 1: Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

Jason Averill - Project Leader, Project 7: Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications

John Gross - Co-Project Leader, Project 6: Structural Fire Response and Collapse

John Hodgens - Project 8, Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines

Kevin Malley - Project 8, Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines

Randy Lawson - Project Leader, Project 8: Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines

Richard Bukowski - Co-Project Leader, Project 1: Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

Richard Gann - Project Leader, Project 5: Reconstruction of Thermal and Tenability Environment

Stephen Cauffman - Program Manager

Therese McAllister - Co-Project Leader, Project 6: Structural Fire Response and Collapse

Shyam Sunder - Lead Technical Investigator

Valentine Junker - Project 5, Reconstruction of Thermal and Tenability Environment

Vincent Dunn - Project 8, Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines

William Grosshandler - Project Leader, Project 4: Investigation of Active Fire Protection Systems

National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)

Marion Clifton Blakey NTSB Board Member 2001-2002 (also named under FAA)

Richard F. Healing NTSB Board Member 2003-2005

Ellen Engleman Conners NTSB Chairman 2003-2006

News Media

ABC News

CBS News

CNN News

Fox News

WCPO - Liz Foreman

Popular Mechanics

David Dunbar - Executive Editor

James B. Meigs - Editor-In-Chief

Jerry Beilinson - Deputy Editor

Lori Yacovone - Managing Editor

Michael Lawton - Design Director

Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani - Former Mayor of New York City

Securacom/Stratesec (Delisted from American Stock Exchange July 22, 2002) - Security Firm (Barry McDaniel, CEO of Stratesec) for World Trade Center, Washington Dulles and Boston Logan International Airports. Marvin Pierce Bush (Former Board of Directors Member)

United Airlines

Glenn F. Tilton, Chairman - President and Chief Executive Officer

Graham W. Atkinson - Executive Vice President and Chief Customer Officer

Frederic F. Brace, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Peter D. McDonald, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

John P. Tague, Executive Vice President and Chief Revenue Officer

Jane G. Allen, Senior Vice President - Human Resources

Gerald (Garry) F. Kelly, Senior Vice President - Continuous Improvement, Strategic Sourcing and Chief Information Officer

Paul R. Lovejoy, Senior Vice President - General Counsel and Secretary

Rosemary Moore, Senior Vice President - Corporate and Government Affairs


http://www.sowtp.org/Society_Of_We_The_People_Organizations.htm


American Scholars Symposium - The American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda was covered by Reuters, The Washington Post, ABC & NBC Affiliates, CSPAN, and even more independent media outlets from all across the globe. The CSPAN broadcast of the Panel Discussion held on the second day of the conference which featured Webster Tarpley, Steven Jones, Bob Bowman, James Fetzer, & Alex Jones will be on Saturday, July 29th at 7:00pm cst & then the program will be re-broadcast at 10:00pm cst.

<....>

John Birch Society - Ever since its founding in 1958 by Robert Welch, The John Birch Society has been dedicated to restoring and preserving freedom under the United States Constitution. Members come from all walks of life and are active throughout the 50 states on local, regional and national levels. United by a strong belief in personal freedom and limited government, plus a sense of duty, members of The John Birch Society have