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Response to Reply #110
117. How bout we stick to the core discussion? Does anyone here
believe that the fuel severed the columns? If not, what
(according to NIST) severed the ten core columns in WTC2?

If you want to talk about resonance, nobody's stopping you
from demonstrating your genius and vast engineering knowledge.
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  -Great video on the collapse of the towers I_like_chicken  Feb-03-07 02:33 PM   #0 
  - This is a link to 9/11 Mysteries  boloboffin   Feb-03-07 05:03 PM   #1 
     - Oopps, sorry  I_like_chicken   Feb-04-07 01:40 AM   #2 
        - Try this one instead, I_like_chicken  Laurier   Feb-04-07 01:48 AM   #3 
           - "more accurate"? - surely you mean "promotes the Official Story"  rman   Feb-04-07 06:55 AM   #4 
              - Yes, it's far more accurate  William Seger   Feb-04-07 09:42 AM   #5 
                 - Anything that doesn't fit the Official Story is bullshit according to OCT-ers  rman   Feb-04-07 10:38 AM   #6 
                 - Watch the video  William Seger   Feb-04-07 10:45 AM   #7 
                    - I did  rman   Feb-04-07 10:58 AM   #8 
                    - 1) Your criticism missed the point being made, and  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:06 PM   #12 
                    - I'm at 1:55 and already pissed off by both 9/11 Mysteries and Screw 9/11 Mysteries.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 11:28 AM   #10 
                       - At 1:56 I'm pissed off again at Screw.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 11:50 AM   #11 
                       - Huh? Why would you expect ALL buildings to react the SAME way?  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:12 PM   #14 
                       - I don't, and I'm starting to suspect your mischaracterizations are deliberate. nt  petgoat   Feb-04-07 01:26 PM   #31 
                          - Well, just what is your argument?  William Seger   Feb-04-07 02:12 PM   #42 
                             - The issue is the dishonest statement in Screw 9/11 Mysteries.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 02:56 PM   #49 
                                - Baloney  William Seger   Feb-04-07 03:45 PM   #53 
                                   - The total collapse of three buildings due to fire is a mystery  petgoat   Feb-04-07 03:53 PM   #54 
                                      - And you'll NEVER solve the mystery  William Seger   Feb-06-07 09:02 AM   #113 
                                         - I'm not trying to solve the mystery. I'm trying to get a legitimate  petgoat   Feb-06-07 12:16 PM   #118 
                       - Again I find myself pointing out...  AZCat   Feb-04-07 01:55 PM   #35 
                       - "absolutely illegitimate appeal to authority"  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:10 PM   #13 
                          - The authority never studied the issue, so his opinion cannot be authoritative  petgoat   Feb-04-07 12:17 PM   #16 
                             - You're projecting your own ignorance on Firmage  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:19 PM   #17 
                                - I'm comparing my limited knowledge to Dr. Firmage's ignorance.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 12:48 PM   #21 
                                   - Again, the conclusion at issue is about JONES' paper, not the NIST report  William Seger   Feb-04-07 01:10 PM   #27 
                                      - The issue is the authority of Dr. Firmage's conclusion that  petgoat   Feb-04-07 01:25 PM   #30 
                                      - Look, this is not semantics here.  boloboffin   Feb-04-07 01:52 PM   #34 
                                      - I had a very good professor that frequently illustrated your point "b".  AZCat   Feb-04-07 01:57 PM   #37 
                                      - "Firmage doesn't have to read the FEMA or NIST reports "  petgoat   Feb-04-07 02:44 PM   #45 
                                         - Oh, I see  William Seger   Feb-04-07 03:01 PM   #50 
                                         - He could not know, without reading the reports, how reasonable  petgoat   Feb-04-07 03:25 PM   #51 
                                            - And again, you're judging Firmage's remarks in the "light" of your own ignorance  William Seger   Feb-04-07 03:56 PM   #55 
                                            - You are framing the issue dishonestly or incompetently.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 04:06 PM   #57 
                                            - No, YOU are  William Seger   Feb-05-07 10:42 AM   #77 
                                            - You seem to be unable to distinguish between fact and opinion. nt  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:14 AM   #104 
                                            - Of course I can  William Seger   Feb-06-07 09:53 AM   #114 
                                         - NO, HE DOES NOT.  boloboffin   Feb-04-07 05:35 PM   #60 
                                            - Firmage does have to study the question before concluding  petgoat   Feb-04-07 05:56 PM   #62 
                                               - You have fun whacking that straw man of yours.  boloboffin   Feb-04-07 07:38 PM   #66 
                                      - Well, if that's the issue  William Seger   Feb-04-07 02:05 PM   #41 
                                      - "he would understand immediately the nature of the collapse"  petgoat   Feb-04-07 02:52 PM   #46 
                                         - Dr. Jones's paper, which is a physics paper,  LARED   Feb-04-07 02:54 PM   #48 
                                      - PG the reality of Jone's paper is that most  LARED   Feb-04-07 02:12 PM   #43 
                                         - Dr. Jones's paper raises a number of questions about the  petgoat   Feb-04-07 02:54 PM   #47 
                                            - And ...  William Seger   Feb-04-07 04:03 PM   #56 
                                               - Dr. Jones presented no such theory  petgoat   Feb-04-07 04:17 PM   #58 
                                                  - Another example highlighting your failure...  AZCat   Feb-04-07 05:37 PM   #61 
                                                  - Of course I see the difference. You are just trying to play  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:43 AM   #67 
                                                  - Immaterial?  AZCat   Feb-05-07 06:26 AM   #73 
                                                  - I posted the pictures as an example of buildings that topple,  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:27 AM   #109 
                                                  - Your post (and included image) is what I call...  AZCat   Feb-06-07 08:17 AM   #111 
                                                  - Tell me something I don't know. You want to argue about  petgoat   Feb-06-07 12:11 PM   #116 
                                                  - Well, better luck next time  William Seger   Feb-06-07 08:03 PM   #121 
                                                  - No, I want to point out your flawed argument.  AZCat   Feb-06-07 08:07 PM   #122 
                                                  - I will note he has still not answered the question. Is it his position  petgoat   Feb-06-07 08:36 PM   #123 
                                                  - It's the same position that I've had every other time that we've argued about the same point  William Seger   Feb-06-07 10:08 PM   #127 
                                                  - Jones uses the fact that it's difficult to make buildings land in  petgoat   Feb-06-07 10:26 PM   #128 
                                      - re: Firmage  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:07 PM   #82 
                                         - Firmage is a PhD Professor Emeritus of Civil Engineering at BYU  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:48 PM   #97 
                                            - Firmage is a clown who concludes his so-called "refutation"  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:16 AM   #105 
                                               - It wasn't a "refutation"  William Seger   Feb-06-07 08:58 AM   #112 
                                                  - You're absolutely correct. That's why I called it a "so-called refutation"  petgoat   Feb-06-07 12:09 PM   #115 
                 - Care to provide any specific criticisms of 9/11 Mysteries?  petgoat   Feb-04-07 11:17 AM   #9 
                    - The closest 9/11 mysteries ever gets to the truth  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:15 PM   #15 
                       - "They completely dismiss the damage done to the towers by the planes"  petgoat   Feb-04-07 12:28 PM   #18 
                       - "And they're right to do so."  William Seger   Feb-04-07 12:39 PM   #19 
                       - This statement really peaks my curiosity  LARED   Feb-04-07 12:41 PM   #20 
                       - The period of oscillation and redundancy are related in that both  petgoat   Feb-04-07 12:58 PM   #22 
                          - Gee, how come only one guy made it down from above the collapse?  William Seger   Feb-04-07 01:01 PM   #23 
                          - There were four. Brian Clark, Stanley Praimnath, Ron Defrencesco,  petgoat   Feb-04-07 01:09 PM   #26 
                             - Oh, sorry, there were FOUR of them? That changes everything  William Seger   Feb-04-07 01:14 PM   #29 
                             - Asphyxiation will do that to a person. You've never tried that?  petgoat   Feb-04-07 01:28 PM   #32 
                             - One stairway  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:41 PM   #96 
                                - "there was no core damage" is a stupid straw man. nt  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:17 AM   #106 
                             - 4-0 ...you lose...  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:16 PM   #84 
                                - Uh, no it isn't  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:50 PM   #98 
                                   - Can you name these witnesses? Did anybody try to get down  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:19 AM   #107 
                                   - Yes  William Seger   Feb-06-07 07:51 PM   #119 
                                      - I never said "no core damage because the stairs weren't blocked."  petgoat   Feb-06-07 08:55 PM   #124 
                                         - No, genius  William Seger   Feb-06-07 09:44 PM   #126 
                                   - According to Brian Clark, the stairwell he used was blocked  petgoat   Feb-07-07 09:38 AM   #130 
                             - I can say this with great confidence  LARED   Feb-04-07 02:05 PM   #40 
                          - Please explain how the "period of oscillation"  William Seger   Feb-04-07 01:03 PM   #24 
                          - Significant structural damage would cause the period of  petgoat   Feb-04-07 01:12 PM   #28 
                             - You have no idea what you are talking about.  AZCat   Feb-04-07 01:50 PM   #33 
                             - The liberty bell is not an analogy for the towers. It's a dramatic  petgoat   Feb-04-07 03:32 PM   #52 
                             - Obviously?  AZCat   Feb-04-07 05:33 PM   #59 
                                - If the tower is not a reed, what is it? nt  petgoat   Feb-04-07 05:57 PM   #63 
                                   - It's a complex structure...  AZCat   Feb-04-07 06:00 PM   #64 
                                      - I've got a secret for you: So is a reed.  petgoat   Feb-04-07 06:39 PM   #65 
                                         - Congratulations - you can use google.  AZCat   Feb-05-07 06:28 AM   #75 
                             - get on it...  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:21 PM   #85 
                                - First why don't you correct the information in your post?  AZCat   Feb-05-07 06:29 PM   #88 
                                   - step to the plate  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:37 PM   #89 
                                      - I already passed all my exams.  AZCat   Feb-05-07 06:38 PM   #90 
                                         - ignore  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:50 PM   #91 
                                            - Okay.  AZCat   Feb-05-07 07:09 PM   #92 
                             - So you're claiming that it didn't?  William Seger   Feb-04-07 01:57 PM   #36 
                             - "What was the period of oscillation before and after the crashes"  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:49 AM   #68 
                                - I have read it  William Seger   Feb-05-07 10:38 AM   #76 
                             - I take back what I said  LARED   Feb-04-07 01:59 PM   #39 
                                - "How much do you think it could change?"  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:51 AM   #69 
                          - Petgoat - haven't you learned by now to stop trying...  AZCat   Feb-04-07 01:04 PM   #25 
                             - Poof poof poof poof poof. nt  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:52 AM   #70 
                                - I guess that means...  AZCat   Feb-05-07 06:27 AM   #74 
                       - That last drawing is a crock, petgoat.  boloboffin   Feb-04-07 01:58 PM   #38 
                       - "the wings were loaded with fuel."  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:53 AM   #71 
                          - Why not just admit  LARED   Feb-05-07 12:34 PM   #78 
                             - It certainly seems that way.  AZCat   Feb-05-07 03:05 PM   #79 
                             - It must be a conspiracy theorist thing  LARED   Feb-05-07 04:09 PM   #80 
                                - Hah!  AZCat   Feb-05-07 05:03 PM   #81 
                                   - So did the fuel sever the columns, or didn't it ?  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:12 AM   #103 
                                      - How 'bout we talk about resonance instead?  AZCat   Feb-06-07 08:11 AM   #110 
                                         - How bout we stick to the core discussion? Does anyone here  petgoat   Feb-06-07 12:15 PM   #117 
                                            - I can always count on you to exaggerate.  AZCat   Feb-06-07 08:03 PM   #120 
                                            - A simple experiment for you to try.  boloboffin   Feb-06-07 09:33 PM   #125 
                                               - I'll do that right after you kick me to the kerb.  petgoat   Feb-06-07 10:39 PM   #129 
                             - because...blahblahblah  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:27 PM   #87 
                                - Can I get on your ignore list?  LARED   Feb-05-07 07:20 PM   #93 
                                - No way, man!  AZCat   Feb-05-07 07:21 PM   #94 
                                   - Dang, I am honored  LARED   Feb-05-07 08:01 PM   #95 
                                      - Go get some sleep, LARED!  William Seger   Feb-05-07 10:09 PM   #102 
                                - Do your "funny papers" come in a Zig-Zag pack?  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:56 PM   #101 
                       - By the way, forgot to mention this one:  William Seger   Feb-04-07 02:26 PM   #44 
                          - "Is this explanation just too complicated "  petgoat   Feb-05-07 12:57 AM   #72 
                       - why?  tenseconds   Feb-05-07 06:13 PM   #83 
                          - Did the 9/11 commission even mention the core column?  LARED   Feb-05-07 06:22 PM   #86 
                          - I think "ten seconds" is the amount of research he's done  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:51 PM   #99 
                          - That's the point. They didn't. They said the core was  petgoat   Feb-06-07 01:22 AM   #108 
                          - Do you mean NIST?  William Seger   Feb-05-07 09:54 PM   #100 
 

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