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Response to Reply #213
216. Then, make your own model.
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 11:50 PM by Contrite
This person is at least working with the principles involved.

"Heat by it's very nature when applied quickly and on a small area causes an explosion."

That is simply not true. What happens when you strike a flint? That's not an explosion; that's friction heat. What about putting an ember on a piece of paper? No explosion, just ignition.

"If a metal is heated, it bends, warps, etc."

Again, not true. My barbecue will cook my meat but not itself.

"Then there is the fact that conspiracy theories are loony on their face."

The story of 19 hijackers is a conspiracy theory.

"Our government can't keep secrets for shit." They kept Operation Northwoods a secret for 40 years--well past the time when most of the players are dead anyway. And there is the little manner of how they knew "bin Laden was determined to attack" but kept THAT a secret from us, didn't they?
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  -What do you think of this model? sweetheart  Jan-17-07 04:24 PM   #0 
  - Is this a joke?  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 04:34 PM   #1 
  - looks like someone using their creativity and imagination help get  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jan-17-07 04:39 PM   #2 
  - No, its a public experiment  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 04:49 PM   #3 
  - How will you account for the "brittleness" of the "column" and/or connections?  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 05:15 PM   #9 
  - Thank you.  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 05:36 PM   #13 
  - i was gonna cut some of them to simulate that  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 05:40 PM   #14 
     - You need a chimney.  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 05:56 PM   #20 
  - This is not a public experiment, it is a odd CT faith based  LARED   Jan-17-07 06:26 PM   #29 
     - we'll see how it falls  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 06:34 PM   #32 
        - A scientific test would require another WTC tower. The faith....  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 07:21 PM   #38 
        - The hijackers fooling the entire US military is faith based.eom  mirandapriestly   Jan-17-07 08:52 PM   #44 
           - The ENTIRE US military you say?  LARED   Jan-17-07 09:04 PM   #48 
              - Yes. The WHOLE bunch of 'em. Including the Post Office.  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 08:19 AM   #64 
                 - Now, now...  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:59 PM   #101 
  - Has to be a windup.  G Hawes   Jan-17-07 08:55 PM   #45 
  - What is the world is wrong with trying to recreate it on a smaller  treestar   Jan-20-07 12:35 PM   #147 
  - The ability of the inner and outer structures to stand on their own  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 04:49 PM   #4 
  - i'm sure they did  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 05:16 PM   #10 
     - You find it absurd...  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 05:31 PM   #11 
     - I never finished my M. E. degree  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 05:45 PM   #16 
     - Perhaps, one can understand why? :)  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 05:53 PM   #19 
     - fair enough  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 06:02 PM   #21 
        - Ohhh! It's a BET!???  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 06:26 PM   #28 
           - I have smokeless coal  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 06:44 PM   #35 
           - "Becomes tiring"?  Ezlivin   Jan-17-07 08:24 PM   #41 
              - I'm tired, and I don't like being accused of being a paid schill.  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 08:47 PM   #43 
                 - You were so tired that you couldn't answer one single question?  Ezlivin   Jan-18-07 01:23 PM   #75 
     - I'm not sure that you do...  AZCat   Jan-17-07 07:06 PM   #37 
     - Hot Wheels vs a Real Car  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 06:17 PM   #23 
        - We're going to have to start using footnotes and such  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 08:20 AM   #65 
           - I'm happy to give credit where credit is due.  boloboffin   Jan-18-07 01:32 PM   #80 
              - Can't find the link  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 02:13 PM   #85 
     - If you cut a section of that wire mesh to scale and toss in in the air, will it come apart?  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 05:33 PM   #12 
     - you have an excellent point  sweetheart   Jan-17-07 06:28 PM   #30 
        - Ok. You have to be fair......  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 06:34 PM   #33 
           - I think you're optimistic to think that  LARED   Jan-17-07 09:08 PM   #49 
              - *sigh*  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 09:58 PM   #50 
     - Questions  sagesnow   May-08-07 06:58 PM   #239 
  - You can't make it a valid model. Sorry.  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 05:01 PM   #5 
  - A blowtorch to melt the wire model?  nebula   Jan-17-07 05:09 PM   #7 
     - Charcoal. It gets as hot as a blowtorch if it gets enough air.  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 05:50 PM   #18 
        - Wow,  Contrite   Jan-28-07 11:36 PM   #215 
  - Don't forget the magic jet fuel  nebula   Jan-17-07 05:02 PM   #6 
  - Better than Thermite  Twist_U_Up   Jan-17-07 06:23 PM   #26 
  - Not magic, just slower (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:44 PM   #84 
  - You would also need  DoYouEverWonder   Jan-17-07 05:15 PM   #8 
  - Check out what the Brits did  Ezlivin   Jan-17-07 05:41 PM   #15 
  - In 1998.  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 05:47 PM   #17 
  - ..  Kingshakabobo   Jan-17-07 06:16 PM   #22 
  - Isn't it ironic  Ezlivin   Jan-17-07 08:26 PM   #42 
  - Steel was completely different in 1998  Ezlivin   Jan-17-07 08:18 PM   #40 
  - NIST  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:40 PM   #82 
  - I think not.  Twist_U_Up   Jan-17-07 06:18 PM   #24 
  - Tell me something, a little thought experiment...  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 06:22 PM   #25 
     - Can your little person use Anthrax ?  Twist_U_Up   Jan-17-07 06:25 PM   #27 
        - No. n/t  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 06:31 PM   #31 
           - How well trained is your little man in survival ?  Twist_U_Up   Jan-17-07 06:39 PM   #34 
              - This is a simple test in reasoning.  boloboffin   Jan-17-07 06:52 PM   #36 
                 - The scaled one will be dead. So he loses.  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 06:05 AM   #57 
  - You need to connect each  mmmlink   Jan-17-07 08:14 PM   #39 
  - Not just floors,  achtung_circus   Jan-17-07 08:59 PM   #46 
  - What --can-- a model like this show?  MervinFerd   Jan-17-07 09:00 PM   #47 
  - Its a systems test  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 04:48 AM   #54 
     - It is ---NOT--- a systems test. Haven't you been listening at all?  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 06:01 AM   #55 
  - You need a hat truss.  Contrite   Jan-17-07 11:45 PM   #51 
  - WHERE'S THE MEATBALL ON A FORK? (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:31 PM   #78 
  - You didn't mean to say concrete core, did you?  boloboffin   Jan-18-07 01:40 PM   #81 
     - That depends  Contrite   Jan-19-07 12:02 AM   #108 
        - Oh my G--  boloboffin   Jan-19-07 01:07 AM   #109 
        - Here we go again  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 08:56 AM   #118 
           - No, here we do not go again  Contrite   Jan-20-07 12:26 AM   #137 
  - How do you know the size-to-strength ratio is similar to  rman   Jan-18-07 03:15 AM   #52 
  - A structural test  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 04:02 AM   #53 
     - OK. 4 kg.  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 06:10 AM   #59 
  - The impact point of the aircraft simulating WTC 2  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 06:03 AM   #56 
  - Just out of curiosity, how much weight is this supporting?  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 06:08 AM   #58 
  - "minor" point - the "skin" WAS the "structure". There was no "curtain wall"  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:18 PM   #223 
  - A comment  LARED   Jan-18-07 06:36 AM   #60 
  - OK, here she burns  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 07:33 AM   #61 
  - Now I get it  LARED   Jan-18-07 08:01 AM   #62 
  - Good one. Thanks for the laugh.  MervinFerd   Jan-18-07 08:16 AM   #63 
  - You left out the stone in the fire test?  rman   Jan-18-07 09:13 AM   #67 
  - it was blocking the flue  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 12:48 PM   #70 
     - Have you considered a job with these folks?  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:25 PM   #76 
     - So it a test run  rman   Jan-18-07 02:50 PM   #88 
  - Hahahaha! That's a hoot!  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:22 PM   #224 
  - The major problem with this type of simulation  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 08:35 AM   #66 
  - Damn factinistas!  Kingshakabobo   Jan-18-07 12:39 PM   #68 
     - Yeah, What the Bleep Do They Know? hint hint nt  greyl   Jan-18-07 12:45 PM   #69 
        - This experiment confirms my darkest fears.....  Kingshakabobo   Jan-18-07 12:49 PM   #71 
        - It's all part of the vast potato based conspiracy n/t  salvorhardin   Jan-18-07 01:26 PM   #77 
        - My god, you are right! Why can't anybody else see this obvious point!  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:24 PM   #225 
        - On a lighter not, my block/blockee list dropped by one.....  Kingshakabobo   Jan-18-07 12:53 PM   #72 
  - If only the Twin Towers were constructed of chicken wire  nebula   Jan-18-07 01:17 PM   #73 
  - could it be?  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:20 PM   #74 
     - No, I'm serious  nebula   Jan-18-07 01:32 PM   #79 
        - Apparently  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 01:42 PM   #83 
           - Well, I believe  nebula   Jan-18-07 02:29 PM   #86 
           - Good thing  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 02:58 PM   #89 
           - a postmortem - the beach pebble test  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 02:44 PM   #87 
              - You realize of course that for this to be accurate  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:00 PM   #90 
              - THE GAUNTLET IS OFF  sweetheart   Jan-18-07 03:18 PM   #93 
                 - Can't be done  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:24 PM   #95 
                 - Try asking these folks  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:33 PM   #97 
                 - No need to get snippy  boloboffin   Jan-18-07 03:38 PM   #99 
                 - Yep we'll see pulverized chickin' wire everywhere!  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:56 PM   #100 
                 - Why not face up to your own challenge?  jberryhill   Jan-18-07 05:59 PM   #105 
                 - modellers research  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 07:39 AM   #111 
                 - I can relate to this SO MUCH. I've tried something similar.  spooked911   Jan-19-07 07:50 AM   #112 
                 - I saw yours if it is the one with what looks like a rat cage  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 07:59 AM   #113 
                    - Thanks and that was my point! We have so many modelers in this country  spooked911   Jan-19-07 08:53 AM   #116 
                    - Please answer this question  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:11 AM   #121 
                    - Buhler? (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-20-07 07:16 AM   #141 
                    - since you said please  spooked911   Jan-23-07 11:24 AM   #202 
                    - Thanks for the links - the chickenwire model was the lamest thing I ever saw!  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:38 PM   #226 
                    - "an annual contest be held to replicate" ?  greyl   Jan-19-07 09:36 AM   #124 
                 - Please answer this energy question  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:13 AM   #122 
              - Nice  nebula   Jan-18-07 03:02 PM   #91 
                 - My matchbox car was fine after i drove it off a 12" bridge  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:12 PM   #92 
                    - Bad analogy  nebula   Jan-18-07 03:20 PM   #94 
                    - Miss the point.  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:29 PM   #96 
                       - ok, instead of home-made models  nebula   Jan-18-07 04:04 PM   #102 
                       - Ok, lets ignore that relevant point  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 04:10 PM   #103 
                       - Are you suggesting the Twin Towers can't be compared  nebula   Jan-18-07 06:52 PM   #106 
                          - Not flawed  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 08:32 AM   #115 
                       - The WTC...  wickedcity   Jan-18-07 10:21 PM   #107 
                          - what temperature does it take  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 08:05 AM   #114 
                             - Whaaaaaat?  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:02 AM   #119 
                       - What about this part of it?  Contrite   Jan-22-07 03:05 AM   #176 
                    - Problem solved. Drive a Tocoma  LARED   Jan-18-07 05:25 PM   #104 
  - Perhaps this website will help  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-18-07 03:37 PM   #98 
  - You're not going to be able to make it work  Renegade Paladin   Jan-19-07 05:31 AM   #110 
  - Of COURSE it CAN be done  spooked911   Jan-19-07 08:55 AM   #117 
     - Oh really?  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:03 AM   #120 
        - For starters...  Renegade Paladin   Jan-19-07 09:19 AM   #123 
           - No Offense Paladin  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:40 AM   #125 
              - Ah. Sorry...  Renegade Paladin   Jan-19-07 09:50 AM   #126 
                 - No prob.  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 09:51 AM   #127 
  - here is the model brought to failure by blowtorch  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 10:26 AM   #128 
  - That's an awesome experiment.  dailykoff   Jan-19-07 06:07 PM   #133 
     - check out this photo:  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 07:05 PM   #134 
        - Doesn't that picture tell you...  William Seger   Jan-19-07 10:46 PM   #136 
        - The top would probably crumble  sweetheart   Jan-20-07 07:17 AM   #142 
           - Why?  William Seger   Jan-20-07 08:46 AM   #143 
        - Your Model Would be pretty impressive  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-20-07 07:12 AM   #139 
           - Its exploratory  sweetheart   Jan-20-07 10:04 AM   #145 
  - Your model would also predict...  William Seger   Jan-19-07 11:14 AM   #129 
  - It predicts no such thing  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 03:30 PM   #130 
     - So how does that translate to the WTC Towers? (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-19-07 04:03 PM   #131 
     - Try it  William Seger   Jan-19-07 06:01 PM   #132 
        - no, it would crumple  sweetheart   Jan-19-07 07:24 PM   #135 
           - Well, you should be able to fix that problem  William Seger   Jan-20-07 01:15 AM   #138 
           - Why don't you build your own  dailykoff   Jan-21-07 08:27 AM   #160 
              - Because...  wickedcity   Jan-21-07 01:40 PM   #164 
           - What ever you built these guys would claim it wasn't good enough.  dailykoff   Jan-21-07 08:26 AM   #159 
  - I have YET to see anyone here address  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-20-07 07:14 AM   #140 
  - the cross section of beams at the base  sweetheart   Jan-20-07 09:36 AM   #144 
  - Scaling doesn't work that way  William Seger   Jan-20-07 12:55 PM   #148 
  - Thank you  sweetheart   Jan-20-07 10:29 PM   #150 
     - Again, the ability of the structure to stand on its own should be your first clue...  boloboffin   Jan-20-07 10:47 PM   #151 
        - The heat equation  sweetheart   Jan-20-07 11:18 PM   #152 
           - Nukes???? You link to a site that thinks nukes brought down the towers???  boloboffin   Jan-20-07 11:37 PM   #153 
              - I have a question that hasn't been answered. Why doesn't NIST have any physical  John Q. Citizen   Jan-21-07 12:50 AM   #154 
              - alpha nukes - next-gen neutron bomb with 25meter fireball  sweetheart   Jan-21-07 01:45 AM   #155 
                 - I don't care what -gen it was, no nukes were used on the towers!  boloboffin   Jan-21-07 01:55 AM   #156 
                 - Bolo, read the links to the academic papers at the site. Pure hydrogen fusion nukes produce  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 12:57 AM   #172 
                    - "target coupling"  sweetheart   Jan-22-07 11:57 AM   #183 
                       - You are welcome. This is facinating stuff, whether it's relevant to 9/11.  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 03:18 PM   #198 
                 - alpha nukes - next-gen neutron bomb with 25meter fireball  achtung_circus   Jan-21-07 07:44 AM   #157 
                 - That would explain a lot  dailykoff   Jan-21-07 08:21 AM   #158 
                 - Feel free to make your own Geiger counter as well, dailykoff  boloboffin   Jan-21-07 12:23 PM   #163 
                 - That's insane.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-21-07 08:10 PM   #167 
                 - Read what the guy has to say  sweetheart   Jan-21-07 08:58 PM   #168 
                 - You. Have. No. Idea. What. You. Are. Talking. About.  boloboffin   Jan-21-07 09:25 PM   #170 
                    - Exhibit B  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 01:11 AM   #174 
                 - Pure fusion bombs can theoretically be as small as a hundred kilogram yeild  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 01:04 AM   #173 
                    - Garrison's Magic Pure Fusion Bomb!  greyl   Jan-22-07 03:04 AM   #175 
                    - That's a pretty good assesment of the NIST report greyl. But I posted a  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 10:12 AM   #179 
                       - Show the evidence that your elephant hung from a daisy. nt  greyl   Jan-22-07 11:50 AM   #182 
                          - I haven't any idea what the hell you are talking about. What elephant?  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 12:17 PM   #185 
                             - The elephant is your fusion bomb. Show evidence of their use on 9/11. nt  greyl   Jan-22-07 12:35 PM   #187 
                                - Why should I? I never claimed they were used on 9/11. However, I find  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 12:50 PM   #190 
                                   - If you want to talk about fusion...  AZCat   Jan-22-07 12:53 PM   #191 
                                      - Or maybe the national security forum, since both of these papers are  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 01:04 PM   #192 
                                         - Fusion is fusion...  AZCat   Jan-22-07 01:37 PM   #193 
                                         - Perhaps you can lobby for a "fusion " forum?  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 02:31 PM   #196 
                                         - I always figured it was covered...  AZCat   Jan-22-07 03:53 PM   #199 
                                         - When the N. Koreans announce a nuclear test, it usually doesn't get  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 04:09 PM   #200 
                                         - When they put me in charge...  AZCat   Jan-22-07 04:13 PM   #201 
                    - Fusion weapons...  Renegade Paladin   Jan-22-07 08:25 AM   #177 
                       - You didn't read the academic papers by the time you posted, did you?  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 09:46 AM   #178 
                          - I hardly have to.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-22-07 10:58 AM   #181 
                             - Read the papers and get back to me. They are pretty technical in some  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 12:06 PM   #184 
                                - You're not listening to what I'm saying.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-22-07 12:29 PM   #186 
                                   - First, I never claimed there were underground shaped fusion devices.  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 12:40 PM   #188 
                                   - you need to read the papers  sweetheart   Jan-22-07 12:42 PM   #189 
                                      - I see.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-22-07 01:57 PM   #194 
                                         - Have you read the papers yet? Or is an informed opinion beside the point?n/t  John Q. Citizen   Jan-22-07 02:29 PM   #195 
                                            - This is a matter of the most basic laws of physics.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-22-07 03:00 PM   #197 
                                            - So, what did you think of the science papers?  John Q. Citizen   Jan-23-07 12:25 PM   #204 
                                            - I found them fascinating.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-25-07 07:30 PM   #209 
                 - Question:  Renegade Paladin   Jan-27-07 05:01 PM   #214 
  - again - there was no "curtain wall" in the WTC - but thanks for playing...  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:48 PM   #227 
  - I discussed scaling at my site:  spooked911   Jan-23-07 11:25 AM   #203 
     - I am unable to access your site.  AZCat   Jan-23-07 07:29 PM   #206 
  - another pic  ma2007   Jan-20-07 10:53 AM   #146 
  - "Just asking questions" double huh?  William Seger   Jan-20-07 01:01 PM   #149 
     - Sorry I do not understand what you mean  ma2007   Jan-21-07 10:01 AM   #161 
  - I'm not sure if you're getting it...  wickedcity   Jan-21-07 10:20 AM   #162 
  - dog house  ma2007   Jan-21-07 02:08 PM   #165 
  - I used it as an example...  wickedcity   Jan-21-07 06:54 PM   #166 
     - maybe they slept in a Holiday Inn, too - just like that commercial.  TankLV   Feb-01-07 11:58 PM   #228 
  - fortunately, you are not my customer  sweetheart   Jan-21-07 09:20 PM   #169 
  - And we've pointed out...  wickedcity   Jan-22-07 12:19 AM   #171 
  - maybe she can make us a volcano out of cake flour and drano, too...  TankLV   Feb-02-07 12:00 AM   #229 
  - the word "paradise"  ma2007   Jan-22-07 10:44 AM   #180 
  - One thing the model does prove...  jberryhill   Jan-25-07 07:45 PM   #210 
     - That's it!  HughMoran   Jan-25-07 11:02 PM   #212 
  - It IS a silly experiment that proves nothing, BUT...  antfarm   Jan-23-07 05:29 PM   #205 
  - Yes.  ma2007   Jan-24-07 11:47 AM   #207 
  - Hey, guys can be sweethearts, too. ;)  greyl   Jan-24-07 01:10 PM   #208 
  - Experiments this naive border on pure insanity  HughMoran   Jan-25-07 10:59 PM   #211 
  - Scaling: Beating you with high school physics and chemistry  MadBiologist   Jan-27-07 04:27 PM   #213 
  - Then, make your own model.  Contrite   Jan-28-07 11:39 PM   #216 
  - That's funny.  Renegade Paladin   Jan-30-07 05:49 PM   #219 
     - The poster didn't say jet fuel.  Contrite   Jan-30-07 07:24 PM   #220 
        - Well, if you want to be that pedantic...  Renegade Paladin   Jan-31-07 12:53 AM   #221 
           - Well if that's what he meant he should have said so.  Contrite   Jan-31-07 01:47 AM   #222 
  - "takes weeks of planning"  rman   Jan-29-07 03:06 AM   #218 
  - This:  greyl   Jan-29-07 01:58 AM   #217 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-21-07 07:05 PM   #231 
  - Laughable, at best.  TankLV   Feb-02-07 12:10 AM   #230 
  - Kick. Important experiment threads must remain kicked. n/t  Kingshakabobo   Mar-02-07 08:16 PM   #232 
  - A kick for the happy, funny memories  Anarcho-Socialist   May-07-07 09:37 AM   #233 
  - I note that all you guys ever did was snigger at imperfect models.  petgoat   May-07-07 10:17 AM   #234 
     - I tend to leave that to people who know what they're doing  Anarcho-Socialist   May-07-07 10:42 AM   #235 
     - Not having an extra $2 million, I'm not proposing to build such a model myself.  petgoat   May-07-07 11:15 AM   #236 
     - Sagging trusses...  Carefulplease   May-07-07 08:03 PM   #237 
  - Questions  sagesnow   May-07-07 11:58 PM   #238 
 

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