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55. The victims
We have been told that the number of people who died as a result of the events of September 11, 2001 is somewhere in the vicinity of 3,000.

Anyone who disputes this number immediately comes under attack.
The term "Holocaust denier" is frequently used.

So fasten up your seat-belts,
batten down the hatches
and prepare for a very bumpy ride
as we look closely into the lives and deaths of the victims within the WTC.

To conserve on bandwith,
(and tempers)
We are going to confine ourselves to an in-depth look at the firm which was most affected by the demolition of the WTC,
namely,
Cantor Fitzgerald.

Many of us here only became aware of the existence of Cantor Fitzgerald when the CEO, Howard Lutnick turned up on TV in tears over the devastation experienced by his firm.
For this fine performance,
and subsequent acts,
Mr. Lutnick has earned the monicker
"the Grim Weeper."

Shaking and sobbing, Howard Lutnick tells of the devastation his company has suffered.
He is the chief executive of Cantor Fitzgerald, a bond trading firm handling trillions of dollars every year.
One thousand of its staff worked on floors 101-05 of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, close to the point where the first plane hit.
Now 700 people are missing, among them Mr Lutnick's brother.
'Not one got down'
"I do not know of one of my employees who got down - zero," sobs chief executive Howard Lutnick.
<snip>
A Goliath of the financial world, Cantor Fitzgerald handled $50,000bn of business last year, acting as an exchange for the world's bond markets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1544894.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1544020.stm

Interviewed by ABCs Connie Chung on September 14, 2001, Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick, his face appearing to melt as he wept over his nearly 700 lost employees, seemed to embody some biblical storya hardened man hollowed out and transformed by grief, and with a new mission. Lutnick vowed to stay in business for the sake of my 700 families.
Less than a week later, Lutnicks sack-cloth and ashes had already begun to fade, replaced by a $3,000 suit. In a weepy, pleading voice (the lesson here: TV tears only work once), he explained to Larry King that hed made September 15 the date of his lost employees final paycheck because Cantor couldnt afford to pay their salaries. A man who could do such a thingbefore some of the families had even accepted that their loved ones were deadmight be capable of anything. For a while, his reputation was worse than Osamas; with Osama, at least you knew where you stood.
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/books/reviews/n_82... /

Brokerage firm Cantor Fitzgerald, one of the tenants of the doomed World Trade Centre (WTC), is being sued by its former landlord for non-payment of rent.
The WTC's leaseholder, a company controlled by property tycoon Larry Silverstein, has filed a lawsuit in Manhattan's supreme court claiming that Cantor owes over $1m (600,000) in back rent.
The sum covers the period from 1 August to 10 September 2001, the day before the WTC's iconic twin towers were destroyed in the biggest ever terrorist attack on US soil.
"That obligation to pay rent continues notwithstanding the heinous attacks of September 11," the lawsuit filed by Mr Silverstein's company stated.
A spokesman for Mr Silverstein said all of the other WTC tenants had acknowledged their obligation to pay rent for the five weeks to September 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2945108.stm

The case centres on three brokers, Edward Bird, Spencer Gill and Luigi Boucher, who have worked for ICAP's Garban-Intercapital unit since April.
In a court in London, ICAP's lawyer Andrew Hochhauser argued that the traders' former boss Daniel LaVecchia was "domineering and bullying".
ICAP says the three former employees are claiming 'constructive dismissal' - essentially that they were so badly treated they had to leave.
"It is our submission that bullying is a hallmark of Cantor Fitzgerald and undue pressure is precisely what occurred here," Andrew Hochhauser said.
"The attempts to try to link these events to 11 September and the collapse of the Twin Towers is completely and utterly unjustified," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2071424.stm

September 25, 1996
To be proven dead under the New York State Public Health Law, the victims had to be first proven alive at the moment they took seats aboard the ill-fated flight from Kennedy Airport, said Suffolk Assistant County Attorney Derrick Robinson. Wetli then had to investigate the deaths. He did that based upon a passenger list from TWA, a report from the NTSB that there were no survivors and opinion letters from the state health commissioner and the state attorney general's office. Among the strongest evidence are copies of ticket stubs taken from passengers at the gate immediately before they boarded.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nytwa96-cert925.story

The above came from an article about the crash of TWA Flight 800.
Let us see apply the same level of scrutiny to the affairs of Cantor Fitzgerald
BEFORE
the events of September 11, 2001.

This is one of the largest bond trading firms in the world, processing over $200B (yes billion) a day. They also were in the flight path of one of the 9-11 hijacked airliners, which managed to wipe out two thirds of the company in an instant. 700 people died. What was C-F's immediate reaction to the terror attacks? On September 14, 2001 they took all their unaccounted-for employees off the payroll, effective the following day. Yes, that was three days after the attack. Once C-F realized what a horrible public relations gaffe they had made, additional plans were added to donate 25% of their profits to victims' families.
<snip>
But before 9/11, we present this anecdote:
In 1994, Mark Anderson went to work in the Los Angeles branch of Cantor Fitzgerald, a prestigious securities trading firm. Like other young stock traders, he relished the chance to make up to $3 million a year, and worked hard to complete the firm's rigorous training program. But when rumors spread through the office that Anderson was gay, he became the brunt of a series of degrading slurs and pranks, including a gay-sex photo doctored to include his face, a deli sandwich stuffed with a rubber vagina, and an incident where he was urinated upon in the bathroom. To make matters worse, Anderson couldn't complain to Human Resources, since the pranksters were the branch's top partners. Still, he kept working. After completing his training and serving a stint in the firm's New York office, he was sent to a sales convention in Dallas, where he saw himself mocked in a "training" video on "serving the homosexual community," and saw his Alfa Romeo repainted as a police "cruiser" embellished with gay slurs like "Butt Pirate" and "Rump Ranger." After Mark returned to Los Angeles, his senior partner called him in to tell him "It's not working out." Anderson ultimately quit and sued for sexual harassment and wrongful termination, only to discover he had unwittingly signed away his right to sue when he took his Series 7 stockholders' exam before joining the firm. In 1998, Anderson settled with Cantor Fitzgerald; the terms remain confidential.
http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/corporate/canter-fi... /

But .... but .... but ....
surely that is NOT the Cantor Fitzgerald of September 11!!

Posted on 13 Dec 2001 at 10:48.05 AM
Cantor Fitzgerald has a terrible record of treatment of minorities...
'Mark Anderson, a southern California native, once worked for Cantor Fitzgerald, a securities trading firm which handles four times the amount of money New York Stock Exchange does, and likely manages your pension. Mark was repeatedly harassed and emotionally tortured while working for Cantor Fitzgerald.
<snip>
A co-worker, Mark's only friend at Cantor, who had tragically lost an arm in a childhood accident, witnessed most of the abuse Mark suffered. Members of senior management would greet him every day by asking him if he had stump ****ed anyone lately. Eventually, after suffering these abuses and more, Mark was fired.'
These events are detailed in the HBO Documentary, 'Out at Work'.
http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/data... /
http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/world/123198wo.ht...

Please note the first sentence:
....Cantor Fitzgerald, a securities trading firm which handles four times the amount of money New York Stock Exchange does, and likely manages your pension.

HANDLES FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE DOES.
Now that is what I call a heavy hitter.
All the more reason why we should all join hands and mourn the loss of those fine outstanding men and women who lost their lives while working for Cantor Fitzgerald.

Introductory statement by Carol Bellamy, Executive Director of UNICEF at the Teacher's College, Columbia University, New York
New York - 26 January 2002
President Levine, Chancellor Levy, Esteemed Educators and Teachers, Students, Ladies and Gentlemen:
The single worst danger to children and their healthy development is armed conflict and violence of every kind. As Graa Machel noted in her landmark UN study of the impact of armed conflict on children, wars are proliferating, and more and more children are becoming caught up in the lunacy - some as combatants and camp followers - and all as victims and casualties.
In the last decade alone, at least 2 million children died as a result of armed conflict. Three times that number were disabled or seriously injured. Even more died because of disease, malnutrition or sexual violence. And this does not even count the disabling sorrow of those who lost their homes, their possessions, and often their families.
Political violence is also on the rise - and on September 11th, the United States mainland came into the crosshairs. The cumulative shock and anguish of that day and its aftermath have left their mark on all of us, but the effects have fallen most heavily on children, especially those who witnessed or experienced things that no child should ever see - and those struggling to understand the loss of parents or others dear to them.
The number of children who were directly affected is still anybody's guess; but we know, for example, that the deaths of 650 employees at Cantor Fitzgerald deprived some 1,300 children of at least one parent.
On Tuesday, The Daily News ran a story on how a sampling of children who lost parents are coping. The article mentioned a 9-year-old girl who dreams she is able to travel back in time to warn her firefighter father to stay away from the World Trade Center.
It talked about a 10-year-old boy who releases a balloon with a note attached to his dad asking how he's doing, up there in heaven. And we learned of a 14-year-old boy who endlessly scans the street for green Saturn sedans, hoping that sooner or later, he'll spot his father behind the wheel.
Other children and young people - part of the young multitude that Newsweek magazine is now calling "Generation 9/11" - told pollsters that the attacks had altered their worldview almost overnight.
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_9807.html

And speaking of an altered worldview ....

You know pop culture's come a long way when Ellen's coming-out party can be, primarily, a marketing event. But Wall Street still looks like it is far from seeing the earnings potential of gay people. Because on much of the Street, still, people can be openly gay only at risk to their careers.
The scandal at Lew Lieberbaum & Co. isn't the only case of alleged abuse on Wall Street. At Cantor Fitzgerald's L.A. offices, suspicions about one (now ex-) employee's sexuality allegedly led to invidious harassment.
AND A WARNING TO THE FAINT OF HEART: THIS IS NOT A PRETTY STORY.
<snip>
At the Dallas sales meeting, with virtually the entire worldwide sales staff and senior management in attendance, Los Angeles says "the tape was introduced as a new training video for desperate young brokers who could obtain business by soliciting the homosexual community of Los Angeles." As the entire room broke out in laughter, Anderson in his assigned seat was blown away. "They made hundreds of copies of that tape," he says. "And passed them out to everyone, other traders, clients. You know how Wall Street is, everyone's seen this thing."
Anderson returned to the office, nearly broken, but nearly a broker. A few weeks later he says he was passing by Rice's office when he was called in and told abruptly "you're not going to make a good stockbroker" and without warning or reprimand, fired on the spot.
"Mark attempted to stick it out for such a long period of time because he thought this was a plumb job," says Anderson's attorney Paul Nankivell. "But it turns out, it's actually like hell week on a permanent basis." Nankivell, joined by celebrated defense attorney Johnnie Cochran, is representing Anderson in an arbitration against Cantor. Their lawsuit was thrown out of court, foiled by the Form U-4 Anderson had to sign when he took his Series 7 test. This National Association of Securities Dealers-mandated form required all brokers to agree to settle disputes through arbitration, and not the courts. "It's a stacked deck," says Anderson. "It's like getting into a fight with a kid and having to settle it with his father."
Cantor Fitzgerald, for its part, acknowledges that the Los Angeles office was out of control. But no one has lost their job over their role in Anderson's abuse. "It's hugely embarrassing to Cantor Fitzgerald," admits managing director Debra Walton-Collings, "because it has all the elements of a soap opera. But the incident is in no way indicative to our culture. The behavior was inappropriate and sophomoric, but it was not malicious attack at all. Obviously, we think this is an opportunistic claim without merit and that will be revealed in the appropriate legal forum. We have a very excellent recruiting program at top universities and black colleges. The media has characterized it as a hazing situation, similar to the Tailhook scandal, and that's absolutely absurd."
Nonetheless, Anderson is pressing on. This week Nankivell and Cochran are awaiting the list of the three arbitrators to be selected by the NASD. The case could go before that board as early as next week. As for Anderson, after taking off six months to get his head together, he's given up on the securities industry. "I've gone back to interior design," he says, "where people are just people."
http://www.thestreet.com/comment/easymoney/29867.html

And now,
please,
a moment of silence for the other victims of Cantor Fitzgerald
whose surnames start with the letter A
or the letter B
and whose deaths have been reported to the Social Service Administration.

Andrew Anthony Abate Nothing found
Vincent Abate VINCENT P ABATE 23 May 1961-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Laurence Abel LAURENCE C ABEL 28 Oct 1963-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Paul Andrew Acquaviva Nothing found
Donald L. Adams Nothing found
Shannon Lewis Adams Nothing found
Lee Adler Nothing found
Daniel Thomas Afflitto DANIEL AFFLITTO 04 May 1969-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Alok Agarwal ALOK AGARWAL 03 May 1965-11 Sep 2001 (V)
David Agnes DAVID AGNES 10 Sep 1955-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Joanne Ahladiotis JOANNE M AHLADIOTIS 10 Jun 1974-11 Sep 2001 (P)
Andrew Alameno Nothing found
Edward L. Allegretto Nothing found
Joseph Ryan Allen JOSEPH R ALLEN 06 Feb 1962-11 Sep 2001 (P)
Christopher Edward Allingham Nothing found
Michael Rourke Andrews Nothing found
Laura Angilletta Nothing found
Lorraine D. Antigua Nothing found
Peter Paul Apollo Nothing found
Frank Thomas Aquilino Nothing found
Michael J. Armstrong Nothing found
Joshua Aron Nothing found
Michael Edward Asher Nothing found


John James Badagliacca Nothing found
Jane Ellen Baeszler Nothing found
Paul V. Barbaro Nothing found
Ivan Kyrillos Fairbanks Barbosa Nothing found
Colleen Ann Barkow Nothing found
Renee Barrett-Arjune Nothing found
Carlton W. Bartels Nothing found
Guy Barzvi GUY BARZVI 23 Feb 1972-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Inna Basina Nothing found
Alysia Basmajian Nothing found
W. David Bauer WALTER D BAUER 07 Mar 1956-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Larry I. Beck Nothing found
Maria Behr Nothing found
Debbie S. Bellows Nothing found
Bryan Craig Bennett Nothing found
Dominick J. Berardi DOMINICK BERARDI 07 Feb 1976-11 Sep 2001
Alvin Bergsohn ALVIN BERGSOHN 13 Jun 1953-11 Sep 2001 (P)
William Bernstein WILLIAM H BERNSTEIN 28 Dec 1958-11 Sep 2001
Timothy D. Betterly Nothing found
Bella Bhukhan Nothing found
Joshua David Birnbaum Nothing found
Balewa Albert Blackman Nothing found
Craig Michael Blass Nothing found
John Paul Bocchi Nothing found
Bruce Douglas (Chappy) Boehm Nothing found
Martin Boryczewski Nothing found
Thomas H. Bowden Jr Nothing found
Kimberly S. Bowers Nothing found
Shawn Edward Bowman Jr. Nothing found
Alfred Braca Nothing found
Michelle Renee Bratton MICHELLE R BRATTON 26 Apr 1978-11 Sep 2001 (P)
Edward A. Brennan III Nothing found
Frank H. Brennan Nothing found
Mark Francis Broderick Nothing found
Lloyd Brown Nothing found
Brandon J. Buchanan BRANDON J BUCHANAN 09 Apr 1977-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Dennis Buckley Nothing found
Patrick Joseph Buhse Nothing found
John E. Bulaga Jr. Nothing found
Stephen Bunin Nothing found
Matthew J. Burke Nothing found
Thomas Daniel Burke Nothing found
Keith James Burns KEITH BURNS 09 Feb 1962-11 Sep 2001 (V)
Milton Bustillo Nothing found

These results were obtained by the following process.
Take the name.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/index.html
EMPLOYER: Cantor Fitzgerald
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/lists/by-empl...
Cross with SSDI results for 2001.

(V)=(Verified) Report verified with a family member or someone acting on behalf of a family member.
(P)=(Proof) Death Certificate Observed.

We know for a fact that there exist at least 41 "verified" deaths.

Wednesday, October 3, 2001
Also Tuesday, a court declared 41 of the missing victims legally dead, acting at the request of their families. All had worked for the Cantor Fitzgerald bond trading firm, which lost some 700 employees.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/1003_APurns.html

(Original publication: Oct. 03, 2001)
A court yesterday declared 41 of the missing legally dead, acting at the request of their families. All worked for the Cantor Fitzgerald bond trading firm, which lost about 700 employees. The city has sped up the process of obtaining death certificates for missing people to allow victims' families to begin collecting insurance and other benefits.
Giuliani said 1,202 families have applied for death certificates.
http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/100301/03wtcnyc....

Also, all insurers licensed to do business in New York State will accept affidavits from next of kin of victims of the World Trade Center, Pentagon and Pennsylvania disasters when a death certificate is not available. In addition, the Governor requested the Workers' Compensation Board to adopt a plan that would designate missing workers as "deceased" for the purpose of workers' compensation, regardless of whether a death certificate has been issued. This will relieve families from having to prove their missing loved one is actually deceased. It will also enable the Board to process claims and award benefits and will allow insurers to commence payments. Instead of being compelled to testify, families will be required to simply sign statements indicating that they are indeed dependents of a missing victim.
http://www.banking.state.ny.us/pr010924.htm

S 2-1.7
Presumption of death from absence;
effect of exposure to specific peril
(b) The fact that such person was exposed to a specific peril of death
may be a sufficient basis for determining at any time after such exposure that he or she died less than three years after the date his or her absence commenced.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c38/a6.html

In other words,
if the going gets tough,
and you vanish
you can legally be declared dead.
Just like that.
http://911digitalarchive.org/webcontent/nycosh/WTCcatas...

This is how and why
so many September 11 deaths
were not and shall never be reported
to the Social Security Administration.
Some records you just can't cook.
http://www.albany.edu/mumford/wtc/cooper.htm
http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year01/press01.ht...

Much of SSA's disseminated actuarial, statistical, and analytical information is potentially influential because it has an impact on important public policies or important private-sector decisions relating to the Social Security program. Information products that are deemed to have a greater impact on public policies are subject to more extensive internal review and, where appropriate, review by external technical panels prior to release.
http://www.ssa.gov/515/ssaguidelines.html

Grim Statistics
At the World Trade Center, 2,823 people have been confirmed dead.
Fifteen percent of the total dead at the WTC were firefighters, police, and others who had entered the buildings after the planes struck to rescue inhabitants. Of the total dead, only 1,207 bodies have been identified, or less than half. Of these, 519 have been identified by DNA alone. At the request of victims families, the coroners office issued an additional 1,518 death certificates without a body.
<snip>
For many of the dead, the impact of the crashes, the intense heat, and the tremendous weight of the collapsing structures vaporized, burned, or pulverized blood and tissue, and literally nothing was left or was mangled beyond recognition. Significantly, the identities of only ten victims were confirmed by visual identification alone. The rest required dental records, fingerprints, or DNA testing. But without a corpse or a fragment of the remains for DNA identification, there can be no identification, no proof that a loved one was indeed killed. At WTC, the task is enormous for several thousand body parts have been recovered from Ground Zero. It will take months of DNA analysis before matches can be made, if ever, and the 98 missing at the WTC may never be identified.
http://www.nursingworld.org/ojin/topic19/tpc19_1.htm

Fate and luck often determined whether one lived or died on September 11. Cantor Fitzgerald, a firm that had its offices in the north tower AT THE POINT OF THE CRASH IMPACT and in the floors above, did not have a single survivor among those trapped in the inferno.
http://www.nursingworld.org/ojin/topic19/tpc19_1.htm

USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.
The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.
For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.
Most came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices, and the 106th and 107th floors, where a conference was underway at the Windows on the World restaurant. Others leaped from the 93rd through 100th floor offices of Marsh & McLennan insurance company.
Intense smoke and heat, rather than flames, pushed people into this horrific choice. Flight 11 struck the 94th through 98th floors of the north tower, shooting heat and smoke up elevator shafts and stairways in the center of the building. Within minutes, it would have been very difficult to breathe. That drove people to the windows 1,100 to 1,300 feet above ground.
<snip>
She says the medical examiner's office couldn't determine who jumped because the injuries were similar to those suffered by the people killed in the collapse of the towers. THE MANNER OF DEATH FOR ALL THOSE WHO DIED WAS LISTED AS HOMICIDE ON DEATH CERTIFICATES.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-02-jumper_x...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2044553.stm

It is so very sad that the point of impact
was EXACTLY at the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald.
It is even more upsetting that the poor brokers
who took the short way down
were,
for the most part,
NEVER IDENTIFIED,
and their deaths were never reported
to the Social Security Adminsistration.
But we are certain that the US Navy knows all about those deaths,
since,
Mr Thomas Barnett, was himself a Cantor Fitzgerald employee.

This blueprint for America's defense force comes wrapped in a presentation devised by Mr. Barnett that samples the "ching ching" sound effect from the television series "Law & Order," borrows lines from the Sopranos and features the voice of movie character Austin Powers calling out "Oh yeah, baby!" to punctuate a key idea. At one point, upsetting some, Mr. Barnett refers to 9/11 as the "first live-broadcast, mass snuff film in human history."
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Pentagon-Thomas-Ba...

Now, I have been effectively silenced from discussing the affairs of Mr. Thomas Barnett. But I intend to get around that by discussing the affairs of retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper.

Paul Van Riper believes that no amount of new technology will ever change the basic nature of war, which he calls a "terrible, uncertain, chaotic, bloody business."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wartech/nature.html

Mr. Barnett bets that advanced technologies will allow the U.S. to fight wars with smaller, high-tech formations. Some military analysts, such as retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, think that's naive. Gen. Van Riper, who plays the enemy in Pentagon war games, says enemies could too easily hide from the Leviathan force's sophisticated surveillance. He also thinks the System Administrator force wouldn't be strong enough to defend itself in places such as Fallujah.
"I admire Adm. Cebrowski," he says. "But this is absolute nonsense from folks who are thinking about war as they want it to be, not as it actually is. War is a terribly nasty, brutish business."
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Pentagon-Thomas-Ba...

The name Van Riper draws either scowls or rolling eyes at the Pentagon these days, but there are anecdotal signs that he has the quiet support of the uniformed military, who, after all, will be the first to discover whether the Iraq invasion plans work in real life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,787017,00.h...

NOVA: So do you think Millennium Challenge 2002 was a waste?
Van Riper: I'm angered that, in a sense, $250 million was wasted. But I'm even more angry that an idea that has never been truly validated, that never really went through the crucible of a real experiment, is being exported to our operational forces to use.
What I saw in this particular exercise and the results from it were very similar to what I saw as a young second lieutenant back in the 1960s, when we were taught the systems engineering techniques that Mr. McNamara had implemented in the American military. We took those systems, which had good if not great utility in the acquisition of weapon systems, to the battlefield, where they were totally inappropriate. The computers in Saigon said we were winning the war, while out there in the rice paddies we knew damn well we weren't winning the war. That's where we went astray, and I see these new concepts potentially being equally as ill-informed and equally dangerous.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wartech/nature.html

BIO
http://www.thefutureoflife.com/speakers/riper.htm
http://slate.msn.com/id/2080814

1 Who is this coming from Edom,
from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
"It is I, speaking in righteousness,
mighty to save."
2 Why are your garments red,
like those of one treading the winepress?
3 "I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
-- ISAIAH 63

As I have said previously,
I have been effectively silenced
from discussing the affairs of Thomas Barnett.
So let us take a look at other powerpoint presentations.

Posted Wednesday, Aug. 7, 2002, at 4:49 PM PT
The Page One story, by Thomas E. Ricks ("Briefing Depicted Saudis as Enemies: Ultimatum Urged To Pentagon Board," Aug. 6 2002), described a 24-slide presentation given by Rand Corp. analyst Laurent Murawiec on July 10, 2002, to the Defense Policy Board, a committee of foreign policy wonks and former government officials that advises the Pentagon on defense issues. Murawiec's PowerPoint scenario, which is reproduced for the first time below, makes him sound like an aspiring Dr. Strangelove.
Just who the hell is Laurent Murawiec? The Post story and its follow-up, also by Ricks, do not explain. The Pentagon and the administration insist that the presentation does not reflect their views in any way. The Rand Corp. acknowledges its association with Murawiec, but likewise disavows any connection with the briefing. (Neither Murawiec nor Rand received money for the briefing, Rand says.) According to Newsday, Defense Policy Board Chairman Richard N. Perle, a former Pentagon official and full-time invade-Iraq hawk, invited Murawiec to brief the group, so Perle can't exactly distance himself from the presentation. But he can do the next best thingduck reporters' questions. Murawiec also declined reporters' inquiries, including one from Slate.
The first half of Murawiec's presentation reads calmly enough, echoing Fareed Zakaria's Oct. 15, 2001, Newsweek essay about why the Arab world hates the United States. Its tribal, despotic regimes bottle up domestic dissent but indulge the exportation of political anger; intellectually, its people are trapped in the Middle Ages; its institutions lack the tools to deal with 21st-century problems; yadda yadda yadda.
But then Murawiec lights out for the extreme foreign policy territory, recommending that we threaten Medina and Mecca, home to Islam's most holy places, if they don't see it our way. Ultimately, he champions a takeover of Saudi Arabia. The last slide in the deck, titled "Grand strategy for the Middle East," abandons the outrageous for the incomprehensible. It reads:
Iraq is the tactical pivot
Saudi Arabia the strategic pivot
Egypt the prize
Egypt the prize?
Because none of the Defense Policy Board attendees are talking candidly about the session, it's hard to divine what "Egypt the prize" means or if Murawiec's briefing put it into any context. It sounds a tad loopy, even by Dr. Strangelove standards.
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2069119

Originally, this was the "Kissinger plan,'' says James Akins, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia. He lost his state department job for publicly criticizing administration plans to control Arab oil back in 1975 when Henry Kissinger was secretary of state. "I thought they were crazy then and they're crazy now,'' Akins tells the Star, adding that Congress studied plans to control Persian Gulf oil and concluded the idea was absolute madness. "I thought this whole thing was dead. But now you've got all these `neo-cons' in power, and here we go again,'' says Akins, a Washington-based consultant. "They figure once they take over Iraq, they don't have to worry about the Saudis.''
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/0309oilwa...

April 25, 2002
ROBERT SIEGEL, host: One aspect of the Saudi-US relationship is financial. The Saudis bank much of their considerable national wealth in the United States in dollars. According to Youssef Ibrahim of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Saudis are so distressed by US Middle East policy right now that some bankers are making noises about taking Saudi deposits elsewhere.
http://www.cfr.org/pub4640/youssef_michel_ibrahim/youss...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69...

Wednesday August 21, 2002
The dollar today fell from recent highs against the euro and yen following a report that Saudi investors were pulling billions of dollars out of the US.
According to the Financial Times, disgruntled Saudis have withdrawn as much as $200bn (131bn) as relations between the US and Saudi Arabia come under increasing strain.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,778380,00...

Sept. 18, 2004, 5:59PM
After Sept. 11, 2001, Lebanese officials and Arab visitors say, many wealthy Saudis and Gulf Arabs no longer felt welcome on their customary trips to Europe and the United States because of harsh questioning at airports and suspicion on the streets.
Further, many worry about political unrest and al-Qaida-inspired attacks in their own countries and see second homes in Lebanon as a possible refuge.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2801748

19/09/2004
Report: Saudi expects a $29.8 billion financial surplus
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=63649

Last year, Saudi public debt stood at $173bn - or 94% of gross domestic product.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3626748.stm
Isn't is strange how an oil-rich state like Saudi Arabia can be flat broke, while another nation can run up debts into the trillions and remain solvent?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world_busine...
Not that it matters,
Saudi Arabian petro-dollars are set to recommence flowing back into the US coffers.

Posted 9/3/2004 7:44 PM Updated 9/7/2004 8:14 AM
NEW YORK Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond brokerage that suffered more deaths in the Sept. 11 attacks than any other company, Friday sued al-Qaeda, Saudi Arabia and dozens of foreign companies seeking damages related to the attacks on the World Trade Center.
The suit, filed as the three-year anniversary of the airplane attacks that killed about 3,000 people approaches, is the latest filed in New York federal court against al-Qaeda, including one last year by a group of insurance companies.
It seeks billions of dollars in damages, charging that the al-Qaeda carried off the attacks with the aid of foreign governments and corporations.
The attacks, according to the suit, "could not have been accomplished without the knowing and intentional financial support lent al-Qaeda and its leaders by a global network of banks, financial institutions, charities, relief organizations, businesses, individual financiers, foreign governments and foreign governmental officials."
Cantor Fitzgerald, which said it lost 658 employees in the attacks, is seeking to join the previous lawsuit filed by insurance companies, saying in court papers it would conserve time and resources.
The Cantor Fitzgerald lawsuit took particular aim at Saudi Arabia, saying the kingdom "knew and intended that these Saudi-based charity and relief organization defendants would provide financial and material support and substantial assistance to al-Qaeda."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/brokerage/2004...

This is the operative phrase:
Cantor Fitzgerald ... said it lost 658 employees in the attacks ....
And that was just where we came in.
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