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Fri Sep-22-06 01:59 PM
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The top sections of the building didn't fall at free fall speed.Free fall speed for the top section would have to be about 200mph to reach the ground in 9.2 seconds. The top section would have hit the lower section in less than a second and wouldn't have exceeded much over 20 mph.
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tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 01:47 PM |
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But all the OCters claim |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 03:35 PM |
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Denial is not a river in Egypt.... |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:13 AM |
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Better to pay attention to what TRUTH Seekers say or claim. It's not |
Nozebro |
Sep-21-06 11:11 AM |
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If not exactly 9.8 meters per second/ |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 02:51 PM |
#147 |
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a comment I made in an email in July... |
tabatha |
Sep-17-06 03:57 PM |
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It wasn't just the concrete that was pulverized |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 04:59 PM |
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obvious |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:11 PM |
#6 |
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Why is that obvious? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:33 PM |
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it might very well crush and flatten everything |
leftofthedial |
Sep-17-06 10:53 PM |
#21 |
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And so "OCTers" are wrong to say that the towers fell at g. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:40 AM |
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I think the truth is closer to the official time |
leftofthedial |
Sep-18-06 02:50 AM |
#30 |
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obfuscation |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:30 AM |
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True, but it does serve their purpose - which, among other things, IS |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 10:03 AM |
#37 |
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It is a bit disheartening... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:16 PM |
#40 |
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Here is the reference again... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 07:30 PM |
#51 |
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Here is your answer . . . |
Klimmer |
Sep-19-06 08:40 PM |
#72 |
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There are quite a few problems with Ross's analysis... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 12:26 AM |
#128 |
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Some more problems with Ross's analysis... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-23-06 09:34 PM |
#168 |
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I'm a little confused |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:04 PM |
#4 |
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omissions |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:16 PM |
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No, I was misunderstanding the poster |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:23 PM |
#9 |
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Yes.... |
quickesst |
Sep-18-06 05:31 AM |
#31 |
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Bad analogy... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:30 PM |
#41 |
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Material in clouds of debris was not adding sufficient weight? |
Ferry Fey |
Sep-17-06 05:06 PM |
#5 |
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pulverized material |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:19 PM |
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That makes no sense n/t |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:26 PM |
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Gravity isn't a speed. |
AZCat |
Sep-17-06 07:34 PM |
#13 |
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falling objects |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 09:35 PM |
#14 |
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No shit. |
AZCat |
Sep-17-06 11:42 PM |
#24 |
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listen up dude |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:25 AM |
#34 |
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Actually, you did. |
AZCat |
Sep-18-06 08:04 PM |
#52 |
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Actually Einstein suggested that gravity was something else... |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:16 AM |
#108 |
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Not really. Force of attraction can be expressed by rate of acceleration. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:13 AM |
#115 |
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yes and no |
tabatha |
Sep-17-06 07:03 PM |
#11 |
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"It did seem as though most of the material..." |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 01:06 AM |
#29 |
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Did anyone see an American Vesuvius? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 07:18 PM |
#12 |
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The energy released by the detonation of 150 tons of TNT... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:24 PM |
#16 |
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what are you talking about? |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 10:50 PM |
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The towers sure as Hell did collapse... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:35 AM |
#27 |
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re:gravitational energy |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:15 AM |
#33 |
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The top floors didn't have to do this... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:40 PM |
#42 |
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Why did the top of WTC2 tilt |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 08:12 AM |
#53 |
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The upper section of WTC2 tilted because... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 01:28 PM |
#56 |
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angular momentum |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 01:45 PM |
#58 |
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I don't see any violation of any law of angular momentum... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:23 PM |
#62 |
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Here you saying |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 01:50 PM |
#59 |
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It did not overcome the momentum... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:32 PM |
#63 |
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specific action of explosives |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 06:18 PM |
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Of course that is the smoke from the fires that is being expelled. n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:20 PM |
#73 |
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dark smoke |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:51 PM |
#100 |
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Do I understand you correctly? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 06:33 PM |
#71 |
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That is correct... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:36 PM |
#74 |
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So the perimeter walls |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 07:50 AM |
#78 |
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Simple geometry... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 01:18 PM |
#79 |
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That's a great theory |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 02:25 PM |
#81 |
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I am unsure what you mean... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 02:51 PM |
#82 |
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Have you ever used a zoom lense? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 03:12 PM |
#83 |
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How is that particular picture misleading? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 03:54 PM |
#86 |
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Here's the same event from the SSE |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:35 PM |
#91 |
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What does it look like to you? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 08:50 PM |
#98 |
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I want you to look at the top section of the east wall |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 06:57 AM |
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You seem to misunderstand... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 12:42 AM |
#129 |
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molten iron |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 02:04 PM |
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Thermate! |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:05 PM |
#87 |
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Your post is based on long-disproved premises. |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 06:53 PM |
#154 |
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This site is totally irrelevant... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 07:39 PM |
#157 |
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You obviously didn't read it & the author is no more of a "no-plane" |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 08:55 PM |
#158 |
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Have it your way then... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 09:54 PM |
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Is this science which your are basing this on? If so, could you |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:22 AM |
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I can provide references... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:30 AM |
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WTC collapse dust clouds may not have been cool |
rman |
Sep-19-06 12:14 PM |
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This was nothing like a pyroclastic flow... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:12 PM |
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look at the flow |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:53 PM |
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The issue is the temperature of the flow. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:02 AM |
#130 |
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wary |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 07:44 AM |
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What makes you think that dust blew the car windows? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:08 PM |
#139 |
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I don't know what blew those cars up |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 05:17 PM |
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how about |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 06:24 PM |
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There was a vast area in which debris rained down... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:43 PM |
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There was no flaming debris falling |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 06:05 AM |
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The THERMATE fell on them |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:07 PM |
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Are you implying |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:32 PM |
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No |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 05:07 PM |
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thermate |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 08:44 AM |
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Yes I do |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 10:49 AM |
#123 |
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lots of |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:39 PM |
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dust had nothing to do with it n/t |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 05:59 AM |
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debris - plural |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 05:44 AM |
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Thanks Greyl. That's quite useful. n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:13 PM |
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(hoping you got the maths joke) |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 01:43 PM |
#142 |
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The maths joke... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 05:25 PM |
#150 |
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It is just plain false that the Twin Towers were essentially free falling |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:12 PM |
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time of collapse |
RedSock |
Sep-17-06 10:31 PM |
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Of course... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 11:51 PM |
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pancaker |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:50 AM |
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There probably has been... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:48 PM |
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miracle |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 10:24 AM |
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9/11 OCT = "A Course in Miracles" and all are invited to profess their |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 10:29 AM |
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Not quite a miracle... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:59 PM |
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Even Bush has been forced to hint at the truth of CD. The wheels are |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 01:16 PM |
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The columns are the whole issue |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-20-06 10:11 PM |
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The 47 center support columns were each built strong enough to hold up |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 07:12 AM |
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Intuition and calculations... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 05:55 PM |
#151 |
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More on the columns |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 09:40 PM |
#159 |
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Welcome to DU! |
AZCat |
Sep-22-06 10:02 PM |
#161 |
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Thanks! |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 10:13 PM |
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Wellcome to DU. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 11:23 PM |
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Do you have a reference for Greening, Bazant, and Zhou? |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-24-06 03:24 PM |
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References... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 03:38 PM |
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Thanks, Carefulplease |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-24-06 07:20 PM |
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Good questions |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-23-06 06:10 AM |
#164 |
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Loss in potential energy... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 07:49 PM |
#178 |
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You now trust the conspiracy theorists over NIST? Make up your mind |
John Q. Citizen |
Sep-17-06 10:49 PM |
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"too many holes" |
leftofthedial |
Sep-17-06 11:00 PM |
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nastyNIST |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 11:06 PM |
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Of course NIST is gessing... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:27 AM |
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The you need to notify the folks at NIST |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 06:11 AM |
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Please, do not swallow everything NIST claims uncritically... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 01:07 PM |
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LOL |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 02:04 PM |
#49 |
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NIST certainly is credible... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 02:56 PM |
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Just an observation |
Hope2006 |
Sep-24-06 02:36 AM |
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Of course I can have it both ways... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 12:43 PM |
#170 |
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Everybody Focuses on How Fast the Towers Fell |
Brainster |
Sep-18-06 12:53 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-18-06 01:21 PM |
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The point is natural pancaking would not happen at near free fall speed |
rman |
Sep-19-06 12:17 PM |
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What does "near free fall" means? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 01:36 PM |
#57 |
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It shouldn't collapse completly |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 02:15 PM |
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Why not? n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:33 PM |
#64 |
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Isn't there something like the law of the least resistance? |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 02:51 PM |
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There are two good reasons for that... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 03:20 PM |
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the second reason with the crushed core columns |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 03:55 PM |
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More like a Jenga tower than an OAK TREE. |
MervinFerd |
Sep-20-06 03:43 PM |
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prior |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:43 PM |
#93 |
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prior |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 06:06 AM |
#106 |
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Columns |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 12:00 PM |
#138 |
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Energy and column buckling... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 06:33 PM |
#152 |
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Horse pucky. Explosions evidence is the only rational explanation. |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 06:58 PM |
#155 |
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where and how |
tenseconds |
Sep-24-06 06:44 PM |
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Vaporization of water? |
AZCat |
Sep-24-06 07:27 PM |
#177 |
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Sure, it means that the acceleration is greater than 9m/s... |
rman |
Sep-20-06 03:47 AM |
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They were slowed down |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:10 PM |
#89 |
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explain |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:44 PM |
#94 |
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Most is not |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 05:04 PM |
#96 |
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speed |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:40 PM |
#99 |
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That is nonsensical |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 06:03 AM |
#104 |
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ejected |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 08:36 AM |
#118 |
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Irrelevant |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 10:46 AM |
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re: try again |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 10:50 PM |
#127 |
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This is like arguing with a chair |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 07:41 AM |
#133 |
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listen to William Rodriguez |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 08:12 AM |
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Nice attempt |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 10:31 AM |
#136 |
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resistance |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 01:45 PM |
#143 |
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I asked you to calculate the PE |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 01:57 PM |
#144 |
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So there were explosives on EVERY floor? And a detonation system that.... |
MervinFerd |
Sep-20-06 03:38 PM |
#84 |
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I'm sure with the billions the Pentagon spends every year |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:57 PM |
#95 |
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Money isn't the issue. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 06:06 AM |
#105 |
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If Timmy McVeigh could do it |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 07:44 AM |
#113 |
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He couldn't do it. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:10 AM |
#114 |
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Who do you think I am |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 08:14 AM |
#116 |
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I try to treat everyone on message boards as if they have a 200 IQ |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:19 AM |
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Hawking |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 09:00 AM |
#120 |
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Yeah, that's what I figured. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 10:10 AM |
#121 |
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TImmy couldn't do it |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-21-06 11:58 AM |
#126 |
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Different thing altogether. |
MervinFerd |
Sep-22-06 04:59 PM |
#149 |
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There were multiple bombs at Oklahoma and they were inside |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-22-06 06:40 PM |
#153 |
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What about the eyewitnesses like Rodriguez |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-21-06 11:57 AM |
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His testimony supports that people were burned, not bombed. nt |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 01:42 PM |
#141 |
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He said explosion |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-22-06 03:57 PM |
#148 |
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I know. However, his description fits the OCT |
greyl |
Sep-23-06 06:43 AM |
#165 |
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Please provide the source for your statement about "bombed". |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 07:02 PM |
#156 |
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It is a really clever plan and one which demolition experts have |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 07:40 AM |
#112 |
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Kinetic energy |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 11:02 AM |
#137 |
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falling one floor |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 01:59 PM |
#145 |
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Free fall is acceleration, not mph |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 02:09 PM |
#146 |
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Fundamental. |
greyl |
Sep-23-06 06:55 AM |
#166 |
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close enough |
tenseconds |
Sep-23-06 09:00 AM |
#167 |
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And the floor collapsed as one monolithic unit |
Ezlivin |
Sep-24-06 03:35 PM |
#172 |
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Ezlivin |
tenseconds |
Sep-24-06 05:41 PM |
#174 |
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Good post that nails the most damning evidence |
mogster |
Sep-25-06 02:52 AM |
#179 |
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When the walls of the buildings fall away |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-25-06 04:24 AM |
#180 |
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Multiple demolitions? |
mogster |
Sep-25-06 06:38 AM |
#181 |
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