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Sun Sep-17-06 05:26 PM
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| 10. That makes no sense n/t |
| -Collapse Theory Fails Reality Check |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 01:47 PM |
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But all the OCters claim |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 03:35 PM |
#1 |
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Denial is not a river in Egypt.... |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:13 AM |
#107 |
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Better to pay attention to what TRUTH Seekers say or claim. It's not |
Nozebro |
Sep-21-06 11:11 AM |
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If not exactly 9.8 meters per second/ |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 02:51 PM |
#147 |
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a comment I made in an email in July... |
tabatha |
Sep-17-06 03:57 PM |
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It wasn't just the concrete that was pulverized |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 04:59 PM |
#3 |
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obvious |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:11 PM |
#6 |
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Why is that obvious? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:33 PM |
#18 |
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it might very well crush and flatten everything |
leftofthedial |
Sep-17-06 10:53 PM |
#21 |
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And so "OCTers" are wrong to say that the towers fell at g. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:40 AM |
#28 |
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I think the truth is closer to the official time |
leftofthedial |
Sep-18-06 02:50 AM |
#30 |
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obfuscation |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:30 AM |
#35 |
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True, but it does serve their purpose - which, among other things, IS |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 10:03 AM |
#37 |
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It is a bit disheartening... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:16 PM |
#40 |
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Here is the reference again... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 07:30 PM |
#51 |
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Here is your answer . . . |
Klimmer |
Sep-19-06 08:40 PM |
#72 |
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There are quite a few problems with Ross's analysis... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 12:26 AM |
#128 |
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Some more problems with Ross's analysis... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-23-06 09:34 PM |
#168 |
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I'm a little confused |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:04 PM |
#4 |
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omissions |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:16 PM |
#7 |
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No, I was misunderstanding the poster |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:23 PM |
#9 |
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Yes.... |
quickesst |
Sep-18-06 05:31 AM |
#31 |
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Bad analogy... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:30 PM |
#41 |
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Material in clouds of debris was not adding sufficient weight? |
Ferry Fey |
Sep-17-06 05:06 PM |
#5 |
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pulverized material |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 05:19 PM |
#8 |
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That makes no sense n/t |
salvorhardin |
Sep-17-06 05:26 PM |
#10 |
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Gravity isn't a speed. |
AZCat |
Sep-17-06 07:34 PM |
#13 |
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falling objects |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 09:35 PM |
#14 |
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No shit. |
AZCat |
Sep-17-06 11:42 PM |
#24 |
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listen up dude |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:25 AM |
#34 |
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Actually, you did. |
AZCat |
Sep-18-06 08:04 PM |
#52 |
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Actually Einstein suggested that gravity was something else... |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:16 AM |
#108 |
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Not really. Force of attraction can be expressed by rate of acceleration. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:13 AM |
#115 |
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yes and no |
tabatha |
Sep-17-06 07:03 PM |
#11 |
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"It did seem as though most of the material..." |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 01:06 AM |
#29 |
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Did anyone see an American Vesuvius? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-17-06 07:18 PM |
#12 |
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The energy released by the detonation of 150 tons of TNT... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:24 PM |
#16 |
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what are you talking about? |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 10:50 PM |
#20 |
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The towers sure as Hell did collapse... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:35 AM |
#27 |
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re:gravitational energy |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:15 AM |
#33 |
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The top floors didn't have to do this... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:40 PM |
#42 |
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Why did the top of WTC2 tilt |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 08:12 AM |
#53 |
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The upper section of WTC2 tilted because... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 01:28 PM |
#56 |
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angular momentum |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 01:45 PM |
#58 |
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I don't see any violation of any law of angular momentum... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:23 PM |
#62 |
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Here you saying |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 01:50 PM |
#59 |
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It did not overcome the momentum... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:32 PM |
#63 |
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specific action of explosives |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 06:18 PM |
#69 |
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Of course that is the smoke from the fires that is being expelled. n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:20 PM |
#73 |
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dark smoke |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:51 PM |
#100 |
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Do I understand you correctly? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 06:33 PM |
#71 |
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That is correct... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:36 PM |
#74 |
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So the perimeter walls |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 07:50 AM |
#78 |
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Simple geometry... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 01:18 PM |
#79 |
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That's a great theory |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 02:25 PM |
#81 |
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I am unsure what you mean... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 02:51 PM |
#82 |
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Have you ever used a zoom lense? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 03:12 PM |
#83 |
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How is that particular picture misleading? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 03:54 PM |
#86 |
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Here's the same event from the SSE |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:35 PM |
#91 |
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What does it look like to you? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-20-06 08:50 PM |
#98 |
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I want you to look at the top section of the east wall |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 06:57 AM |
#110 |
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You seem to misunderstand... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 12:42 AM |
#129 |
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molten iron |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 02:04 PM |
#80 |
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Thermate! |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:05 PM |
#87 |
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Your post is based on long-disproved premises. |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 06:53 PM |
#154 |
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This site is totally irrelevant... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 07:39 PM |
#157 |
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You obviously didn't read it & the author is no more of a "no-plane" |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 08:55 PM |
#158 |
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Have it your way then... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 09:54 PM |
#160 |
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Is this science which your are basing this on? If so, could you |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 06:22 AM |
#109 |
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I can provide references... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:30 AM |
#131 |
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WTC collapse dust clouds may not have been cool |
rman |
Sep-19-06 12:14 PM |
#54 |
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This was nothing like a pyroclastic flow... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:12 PM |
#60 |
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look at the flow |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:53 PM |
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The issue is the temperature of the flow. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:02 AM |
#130 |
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wary |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 07:44 AM |
#134 |
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What makes you think that dust blew the car windows? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:08 PM |
#139 |
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I don't know what blew those cars up |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-19-06 05:17 PM |
#68 |
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how about |
tenseconds |
Sep-19-06 06:24 PM |
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There was a vast area in which debris rained down... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 10:43 PM |
#75 |
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There was no flaming debris falling |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 06:05 AM |
#77 |
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The THERMATE fell on them |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:07 PM |
#88 |
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Are you implying |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:32 PM |
#90 |
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No |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 05:07 PM |
#97 |
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thermate |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 08:44 AM |
#119 |
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Yes I do |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 10:49 AM |
#123 |
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lots of |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:39 PM |
#92 |
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dust had nothing to do with it n/t |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 05:59 AM |
#103 |
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debris - plural |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 05:44 AM |
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Thanks Greyl. That's quite useful. n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 01:13 PM |
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(hoping you got the maths joke) |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 01:43 PM |
#142 |
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The maths joke... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 05:25 PM |
#150 |
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It is just plain false that the Twin Towers were essentially free falling |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 10:12 PM |
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time of collapse |
RedSock |
Sep-17-06 10:31 PM |
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Of course... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-17-06 11:51 PM |
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pancaker |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 09:50 AM |
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There probably has been... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:48 PM |
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miracle |
tenseconds |
Sep-18-06 10:24 AM |
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9/11 OCT = "A Course in Miracles" and all are invited to profess their |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 10:29 AM |
#39 |
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Not quite a miracle... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:59 PM |
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Even Bush has been forced to hint at the truth of CD. The wheels are |
Nozebro |
Sep-18-06 01:16 PM |
#47 |
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The columns are the whole issue |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-20-06 10:11 PM |
#102 |
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The 47 center support columns were each built strong enough to hold up |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 07:12 AM |
#111 |
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Intuition and calculations... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 05:55 PM |
#151 |
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More on the columns |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 09:40 PM |
#159 |
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Welcome to DU! |
AZCat |
Sep-22-06 10:02 PM |
#161 |
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Thanks! |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 10:13 PM |
#162 |
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Wellcome to DU. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 11:23 PM |
#163 |
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Do you have a reference for Greening, Bazant, and Zhou? |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-24-06 03:24 PM |
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References... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 03:38 PM |
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Thanks, Carefulplease |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-24-06 07:20 PM |
#176 |
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Good questions |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-23-06 06:10 AM |
#164 |
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Loss in potential energy... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 07:49 PM |
#178 |
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You now trust the conspiracy theorists over NIST? Make up your mind |
John Q. Citizen |
Sep-17-06 10:49 PM |
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"too many holes" |
leftofthedial |
Sep-17-06 11:00 PM |
#22 |
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nastyNIST |
tenseconds |
Sep-17-06 11:06 PM |
#23 |
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Of course NIST is gessing... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 12:27 AM |
#26 |
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The you need to notify the folks at NIST |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 06:11 AM |
#32 |
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Please, do not swallow everything NIST claims uncritically... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 01:07 PM |
#46 |
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LOL |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 02:04 PM |
#49 |
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NIST certainly is credible... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-18-06 02:56 PM |
#50 |
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Just an observation |
Hope2006 |
Sep-24-06 02:36 AM |
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Of course I can have it both ways... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-24-06 12:43 PM |
#170 |
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Everybody Focuses on How Fast the Towers Fell |
Brainster |
Sep-18-06 12:53 PM |
#44 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-18-06 01:21 PM |
#48 |
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The point is natural pancaking would not happen at near free fall speed |
rman |
Sep-19-06 12:17 PM |
#55 |
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What does "near free fall" means? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 01:36 PM |
#57 |
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It shouldn't collapse completly |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 02:15 PM |
#61 |
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Why not? n/t |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 02:33 PM |
#64 |
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Isn't there something like the law of the least resistance? |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 02:51 PM |
#65 |
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There are two good reasons for that... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-19-06 03:20 PM |
#66 |
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the second reason with the crushed core columns |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-19-06 03:55 PM |
#67 |
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More like a Jenga tower than an OAK TREE. |
MervinFerd |
Sep-20-06 03:43 PM |
#85 |
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prior |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:43 PM |
#93 |
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prior |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 06:06 AM |
#106 |
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Columns |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-22-06 12:00 PM |
#138 |
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Energy and column buckling... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-22-06 06:33 PM |
#152 |
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Horse pucky. Explosions evidence is the only rational explanation. |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 06:58 PM |
#155 |
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where and how |
tenseconds |
Sep-24-06 06:44 PM |
#175 |
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Vaporization of water? |
AZCat |
Sep-24-06 07:27 PM |
#177 |
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Sure, it means that the acceleration is greater than 9m/s... |
rman |
Sep-20-06 03:47 AM |
#76 |
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They were slowed down |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 04:10 PM |
#89 |
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explain |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 04:44 PM |
#94 |
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Most is not |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-20-06 05:04 PM |
#96 |
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speed |
tenseconds |
Sep-20-06 09:40 PM |
#99 |
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That is nonsensical |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 06:03 AM |
#104 |
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ejected |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 08:36 AM |
#118 |
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Irrelevant |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-21-06 10:46 AM |
#122 |
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re: try again |
tenseconds |
Sep-21-06 10:50 PM |
#127 |
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This is like arguing with a chair |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 07:41 AM |
#133 |
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listen to William Rodriguez |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 08:12 AM |
#135 |
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Nice attempt |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 10:31 AM |
#136 |
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resistance |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 01:45 PM |
#143 |
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I asked you to calculate the PE |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 01:57 PM |
#144 |
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So there were explosives on EVERY floor? And a detonation system that.... |
MervinFerd |
Sep-20-06 03:38 PM |
#84 |
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I'm sure with the billions the Pentagon spends every year |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-20-06 04:57 PM |
#95 |
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Money isn't the issue. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 06:06 AM |
#105 |
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If Timmy McVeigh could do it |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 07:44 AM |
#113 |
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He couldn't do it. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:10 AM |
#114 |
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Who do you think I am |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 08:14 AM |
#116 |
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I try to treat everyone on message boards as if they have a 200 IQ |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 08:19 AM |
#117 |
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Hawking |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-21-06 09:00 AM |
#120 |
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Yeah, that's what I figured. |
greyl |
Sep-21-06 10:10 AM |
#121 |
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TImmy couldn't do it |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-21-06 11:58 AM |
#126 |
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Different thing altogether. |
MervinFerd |
Sep-22-06 04:59 PM |
#149 |
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There were multiple bombs at Oklahoma and they were inside |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-22-06 06:40 PM |
#153 |
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What about the eyewitnesses like Rodriguez |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-21-06 11:57 AM |
#125 |
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His testimony supports that people were burned, not bombed. nt |
greyl |
Sep-22-06 01:42 PM |
#141 |
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He said explosion |
FoxOnTheRun |
Sep-22-06 03:57 PM |
#148 |
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I know. However, his description fits the OCT |
greyl |
Sep-23-06 06:43 AM |
#165 |
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Please provide the source for your statement about "bombed". |
Nozebro |
Sep-22-06 07:02 PM |
#156 |
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It is a really clever plan and one which demolition experts have |
whistle |
Sep-21-06 07:40 AM |
#112 |
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Kinetic energy |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 11:02 AM |
#137 |
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falling one floor |
tenseconds |
Sep-22-06 01:59 PM |
#145 |
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Free fall is acceleration, not mph |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-22-06 02:09 PM |
#146 |
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Fundamental. |
greyl |
Sep-23-06 06:55 AM |
#166 |
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close enough |
tenseconds |
Sep-23-06 09:00 AM |
#167 |
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And the floor collapsed as one monolithic unit |
Ezlivin |
Sep-24-06 03:35 PM |
#172 |
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Ezlivin |
tenseconds |
Sep-24-06 05:41 PM |
#174 |
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Good post that nails the most damning evidence |
mogster |
Sep-25-06 02:52 AM |
#179 |
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When the walls of the buildings fall away |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-25-06 04:24 AM |
#180 |
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Multiple demolitions? |
mogster |
Sep-25-06 06:38 AM |
#181 |
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