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Mon Sep-11-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #145 |
| 146. Sure, don't let the factinistas get in your way or slow you down.... |
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Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 11:03 AM by Kingshakabobo
Don't let the fact that the pentagon plane was 3 or 4 times heavier and traveling @ 3 or 4 times the speed. Don't let size and location of wing main-spar affect your "critical" thinking.
Nah! Why let facts get in your way?
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| -Flight 77 - What hit the Light Poles? |
reprehensor |
Aug-29-06 10:08 AM |
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At least the question isn't "what hit the pentagon?" |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 10:59 AM |
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That demonstration has nothing to do with Flight 77's FDR information |
mhatrw |
Aug-29-06 03:15 PM |
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No kidding. The link I provided does though. |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 03:26 PM |
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it's a friggin cartoon, but if it makes you happy, fine. |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:08 AM |
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Your replies concerning this model are pathetic. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:26 AM |
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how do you know it has nothing to do with the FDR? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:09 AM |
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Because of its date of creation. nt |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:40 AM |
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That is a ficticious account. It is made to fit the "facts" |
mirandapriestly |
Aug-30-06 10:36 PM |
#49 |
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Made to fit the facts? Made To Fit The Facts? MADE TO FIT THE FACTS!? |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 01:23 PM |
#57 |
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to fit the "made up facts" |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:29 AM |
#74 |
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What "made up facts"? nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:33 AM |
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Thanks for pointing out that re-creation. It was good. |
No DUplicitous DUpe |
Sep-11-06 07:17 PM |
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One wonders how |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 09:48 AM |
#52 |
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Some light |
LARED |
Aug-29-06 11:51 AM |
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The altimeters were reset at 9:24:16. See Columns CG and CH in the FDR |
gbwarming |
Aug-29-06 01:02 PM |
#3 |
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Class A airspace - 29.92 alitimeter setting |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 09:00 AM |
#14 |
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"why would a hijacker *care* about following proper procedures" |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:26 AM |
#23 |
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Not for a VFR pilot |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 10:44 AM |
#27 |
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Are you a pilot? |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 12:16 PM |
#34 |
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Yes |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 12:35 PM |
#36 |
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I just edited while you were responding......So am I.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 12:41 PM |
#37 |
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Responding to edit... |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 01:01 PM |
#38 |
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Here is some info from the 911 commission: |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 01:59 PM |
#39 |
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Some thoughts |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 02:42 PM |
#40 |
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I think you are making my point. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 02:56 PM |
#41 |
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Who said anything about the go around smoking? |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 04:44 PM |
#45 |
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The VIDEO makes a lot of hay out of a simple turn. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 05:04 PM |
#47 |
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It's like 25 hrs right seat in type, right? |
AZCat |
Aug-30-06 09:37 PM |
#48 |
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2) is a really, really good question. |
sofa king |
Aug-31-06 04:59 AM |
#50 |
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So - Are the people at pilotsfor911truth liars? |
sgsmith |
Aug-29-06 02:23 PM |
#4 |
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Where is the problem ? |
medienanalyse |
Aug-29-06 03:35 PM |
#7 |
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What utter bunk..... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 11:09 AM |
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Well, they're an offshoot of the loose change club so... |
Jazz2006 |
Aug-29-06 10:10 PM |
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are you saying the animation released by the NTSB is wrong? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:11 AM |
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Are you admitting that the FDR from Flight 77 is real? nt |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:52 AM |
#30 |
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Interview with JohnDoeX |
reprehensor |
Aug-29-06 08:21 PM |
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No discontinuities at 18,000 ft suggests that the FDR is showing Press Alt |
gbwarming |
Aug-29-06 11:18 PM |
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Based on the physical evidence, it did hit them. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 08:25 AM |
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that is a cartoon and it is obviously disinfo |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:05 AM |
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So, you want to use the FDR from a flight you say didn't exist |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:44 AM |
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Why is everyone making a big deal out of the fact........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-29-06 09:56 PM |
#9 |
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very interesting thread. |
QuettaKid |
Aug-30-06 06:38 AM |
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the fancy manouvering |
medienanalyse |
Aug-30-06 10:17 AM |
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Um, he crossed his original flight-path. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:23 AM |
#22 |
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But he wasn't gonna land |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 09:58 AM |
#53 |
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Why not take a nose dive? |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 02:45 PM |
#58 |
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You are seeing this in retrospect |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 04:34 PM |
#63 |
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I'm seeing this as a private pilot who has flown for 20 years. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 06:33 PM |
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"Is it possible " -"not at all likely " - "these guys WERE " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 12:56 AM |
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I'll only speak to what I have some insight. The flight path... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:05 AM |
#100 |
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"100% wrong. Not true. 100% the opposite. " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 12:01 PM |
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He was an instrument/commercial rated licensed pilot........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 12:19 PM |
#108 |
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You are quick to dismiss other opinions as bullshit |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 01:15 AM |
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How long should one wait before calling bullshit? |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:31 AM |
#76 |
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True, but they were thinking beings |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 01:42 AM |
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"Some of the passengers had spoken on mobile phones "? NO |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 01:55 AM |
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No, you're incorrect. Renee May also called her mother. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 02:14 AM |
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Six individuals |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 03:24 AM |
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Do you think air travel employees were trained to fight back |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:38 AM |
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I remember seeing Ted Olson being interviewed |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-01-06 05:47 AM |
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I counted 13 different versions in 2003 |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 07:20 AM |
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Even if they knew about the other planes, |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 02:07 AM |
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No |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 02:57 AM |
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But you weren't on the plane. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:12 AM |
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Well, we have the phone calls |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 03:32 AM |
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The strength of my argument doesn't depend on bombs at all. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:45 AM |
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No |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 04:25 AM |
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I said forget the bombs, and justify |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 04:31 AM |
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It's the official explanation? |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 05:10 AM |
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"the passengers may have been told " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 01:45 AM |
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No, it's a reasoned, speculative hypothesis. nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:52 AM |
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Hindsight is what? ;) nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:18 AM |
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You are assuming they didint try a nose dive first |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-01-06 06:56 AM |
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rumsfeld time line scary - |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:23 AM |
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There were trained ER personnel to help victims and Rummy is |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 10:58 AM |
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That's the thing. It wasn't at all fancy. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:19 AM |
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Yes. In addition, |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:51 AM |
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I'm not sure what you question is re: ground effect. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 03:21 PM |
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Thanks, I see. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 03:43 PM |
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I suppose there would be a ground effect. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 04:20 PM |
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In the words of Paul Wolfowitz |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-09-06 11:01 AM |
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If one is not a pilot, it is hard to tell who to believe |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 11:04 AM |
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can you say smoking gun? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:06 AM |
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So, what hit the polls? A missile? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:29 AM |
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ONCE AGAIN |
boolean |
Aug-30-06 10:58 AM |
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What's wrong with just asking the questions? |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 11:18 AM |
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Strawman. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 11:53 AM |
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You're right, and it's no strawman.eom |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:26 AM |
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Have to agree. Those who say that would make terrible police |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 11:01 AM |
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Wouldn't hitting the lightpoles |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 06:30 AM |
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Combustion takes time to start |
sgsmith |
Aug-31-06 10:00 AM |
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Breaking of wings doesn't? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 01:09 PM |
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The light poles are designed to break away, not the wings! nt |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 01:19 PM |
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Light poles designed to break away? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 03:01 PM |
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Yes, designed to break away. |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 03:19 PM |
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So is there any proof |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 03:25 PM |
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Yes, in answer to your question: |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 04:14 PM |
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Do you ever get the feeling you are talking to a brick wall? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 06:06 PM |
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Hehe. I think I'd rather call it |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:20 AM |
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I don't have time for your wild goose chases |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 06:27 PM |
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Oh c'mon. I wouldn't call your original question a wild goose chase. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:17 AM |
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to make it look as though a large plane came in very low, |
rman |
Sep-09-06 05:23 AM |
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Do you have any proof of how the light poles were brought down? |
Nozebro |
Sep-09-06 10:34 AM |
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What hit the Light Poles? - Was the landing gear down? |
Make7 |
Aug-30-06 12:30 PM |
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Just a question |
boloboffin |
Aug-30-06 05:04 PM |
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Knocked down by jet engine blow back maybe?? |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 01:29 AM |
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I think we've talked about that possibility before... |
AZCat |
Sep-01-06 06:19 AM |
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Nope |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-01-06 07:09 AM |
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I'm confused. What would you have heard? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:32 AM |
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It would have been exceedingly out of the ordinary |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 11:27 AM |
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Wow. Your neighborhood goes in to a tizzy over a plane..... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 11:40 AM |
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, did he totally nosedive in the last 10 miles or so? |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 12:17 PM |
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I'm not sure what you are saying but the graph seems to be a bit... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 12:40 PM |
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I see. There's a corollary map of the "final approach" from NTSB |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 01:07 PM |
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Was there a picture embedded? All I got was a "red X" nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 02:08 PM |
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Let me try again see if uploadfile.info works better than hotlinking |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 03:21 PM |
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RE: map scale |
Make7 |
Sep-02-06 05:34 PM |
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There has only been one officially released flight path. |
Make7 |
Sep-02-06 06:38 PM |
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Was 495 a typo? Yep, or maybe just a brain fart. I meant 395 and Rt. 7 |
Sinti |
Sep-08-06 11:43 PM |
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JohnDoeX in defense of analysis and anonymity |
reprehensor |
Sep-01-06 05:54 AM |
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Ask him how much atlimeter lag we should see 5400ft/min descent rate. |
gbwarming |
Sep-01-06 08:33 AM |
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Do we even know, for a fact, that this isn't a radar altimeter? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:40 AM |
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The FDR column is labeled as "pressure alt" |
sgsmith |
Sep-01-06 05:37 PM |
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Thanks. I understand there are readings for the pressure alt. |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-02-06 06:51 AM |
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Kingshakabobo |
johndoeX |
Sep-08-06 11:21 PM |
#117 |
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Welcome to DU! |
greyl |
Sep-08-06 11:51 PM |
#119 |
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26 yrs old? |
johndoeX |
Sep-09-06 04:50 AM |
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or perhaps you can debate the facts? |
johndoeX |
Sep-09-06 04:53 AM |
#121 |
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Perhaps I can. State one. nt |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 03:48 AM |
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Funny stuff goin on at YouTube........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 05:46 PM |
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And....Poof! It's gone! |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 07:06 PM |
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CFII? Do you know what altimeter lag is on the 757 >5000ft/min nt |
gbwarming |
Sep-09-06 11:27 AM |
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according to the Youtube profile. nt |
greyl |
Sep-09-06 02:04 PM |
#130 |
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LOL. Another internet phony. 26 years old with 20 years experience. nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 01:28 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-10-06 03:01 AM |
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Any comments on Hysteresis and its effect on an altimeter during... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 11:41 AM |
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it was the ay-rab goat herder |
leftofthedial |
Sep-09-06 10:39 AM |
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"ay-rab goat herder"? |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 01:56 AM |
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someone took over those planes |
leftofthedial |
Sep-10-06 02:12 AM |
#133 |
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"Don't you listen to the radio?" |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 03:46 AM |
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I'm glad to be of help |
leftofthedial |
Sep-10-06 07:36 AM |
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There's no proof that ANYTHING "hit" the light poles. |
Nozebro |
Sep-10-06 10:54 AM |
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Cabbie who was hit by a light pole supposedly |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-11-06 01:45 AM |
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What is an "LC" guy? Is it too much to just spell it out? EOM |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 10:13 AM |
#144 |
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Bush Senior's plane clipped a pole & tore off a wing |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-11-06 01:53 AM |
#143 |
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Of course - but disruptors will say "different kind of plane, ma'am". NT |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 10:16 AM |
#145 |
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Sure, don't let the factinistas get in your way or slow you down.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 10:40 AM |
#146 |
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You neglected to mention about the poles. Remember the POLES? |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 01:11 PM |
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I try to speak about only what I know............ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 01:42 PM |
#148 |
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Now I understand why you didn't respond to the points I made. |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 05:25 PM |
#153 |
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"where in my post is there any mention of a Gulfstream?" |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 06:27 PM |
#154 |
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Your post is little more than an excuse for not being able to refute mine. |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 07:14 PM |
#155 |
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I have no idea and neither do you! |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 07:24 PM |
#157 |
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I'll stick with the proof/expert opinion. N/T |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 09:54 PM |
#158 |
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Which would be........what? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 10:01 PM |
#159 |
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Good point, the poles were bigger too, 200 feet tall |
gbwarming |
Sep-11-06 02:30 PM |
#149 |
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I'm not sure what your point is??? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 02:49 PM |
#150 |
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I'd expect more damage from larger poles/towers too |
gbwarming |
Sep-11-06 03:22 PM |
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That's what I thought.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 03:25 PM |
#152 |
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Vertical Speed/Alternate Analysis/Fallacy of Lag issues |
johndoeX |
Sep-20-06 06:44 PM |
#160 |
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wings of a large plane might not have torn off, |
rman |
Nov-29-06 04:45 AM |
#162 |
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And this is relevant because? (n/t) |
LARED |
Nov-29-06 04:59 AM |
#163 |
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kick nt |
greyl |
Nov-29-06 01:42 AM |
#161 |
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