Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-31-06 06:33 PM
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| 66. I'm seeing this as a private pilot who has flown for 20 years. |
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I try to see this from a pilot's perspective. I try to see this as someone who was once an inexperienced pilot. I know, and I'm quite certain anyone with basic aviation knowledge would know, NOT to try and nose-dive in.
I don't usually speak up on these threads unless I have some insight or input. It just so happens that I do on this matter. The commentary on the YouTube video is bullshit. Some of the posts on this thread are uninformed bullshit - like a lot of the CT opinions.
1. It wasn't any kind of difficult maneuver. It was a simple 30-40 degree bank turn and go-around......basic shit. 2. The easiest way to hit the broad-side of a building would be to do it at a shallow angle of attack-not a nose dive. 3. I wish I had a dollar for every time I executed similar maneuvers upon sighting my target- an airport in my case. That goes for when I was brand new to now.
Is it possible the pilot could have dived on the target? Sure, but it's not at all likely since these guys planned and trained to hit a target not miss. They were schooled in the basics. By the way, these guys WERE licensed pilots. No matter how marginal their skills were, they still had enough knowledge to run a plane in to the side of a building.
Sheesh.
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| -Flight 77 - What hit the Light Poles? |
reprehensor |
Aug-29-06 10:08 AM |
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At least the question isn't "what hit the pentagon?" |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 10:59 AM |
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That demonstration has nothing to do with Flight 77's FDR information |
mhatrw |
Aug-29-06 03:15 PM |
#5 |
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No kidding. The link I provided does though. |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 03:26 PM |
#6 |
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it's a friggin cartoon, but if it makes you happy, fine. |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:08 AM |
#17 |
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Your replies concerning this model are pathetic. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:26 AM |
#24 |
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how do you know it has nothing to do with the FDR? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:09 AM |
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Because of its date of creation. nt |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:40 AM |
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That is a ficticious account. It is made to fit the "facts" |
mirandapriestly |
Aug-30-06 10:36 PM |
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Made to fit the facts? Made To Fit The Facts? MADE TO FIT THE FACTS!? |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 01:23 PM |
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to fit the "made up facts" |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:29 AM |
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What "made up facts"? nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:33 AM |
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Thanks for pointing out that re-creation. It was good. |
No DUplicitous DUpe |
Sep-11-06 07:17 PM |
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One wonders how |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 09:48 AM |
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Some light |
LARED |
Aug-29-06 11:51 AM |
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The altimeters were reset at 9:24:16. See Columns CG and CH in the FDR |
gbwarming |
Aug-29-06 01:02 PM |
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Class A airspace - 29.92 alitimeter setting |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 09:00 AM |
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"why would a hijacker *care* about following proper procedures" |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:26 AM |
#23 |
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Not for a VFR pilot |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 10:44 AM |
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Are you a pilot? |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 12:16 PM |
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Yes |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 12:35 PM |
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I just edited while you were responding......So am I.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 12:41 PM |
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Responding to edit... |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 01:01 PM |
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Here is some info from the 911 commission: |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 01:59 PM |
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Some thoughts |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 02:42 PM |
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I think you are making my point. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 02:56 PM |
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Who said anything about the go around smoking? |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 04:44 PM |
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The VIDEO makes a lot of hay out of a simple turn. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 05:04 PM |
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It's like 25 hrs right seat in type, right? |
AZCat |
Aug-30-06 09:37 PM |
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2) is a really, really good question. |
sofa king |
Aug-31-06 04:59 AM |
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So - Are the people at pilotsfor911truth liars? |
sgsmith |
Aug-29-06 02:23 PM |
#4 |
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Where is the problem ? |
medienanalyse |
Aug-29-06 03:35 PM |
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What utter bunk..... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 11:09 AM |
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Well, they're an offshoot of the loose change club so... |
Jazz2006 |
Aug-29-06 10:10 PM |
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are you saying the animation released by the NTSB is wrong? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:11 AM |
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Are you admitting that the FDR from Flight 77 is real? nt |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:52 AM |
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Interview with JohnDoeX |
reprehensor |
Aug-29-06 08:21 PM |
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No discontinuities at 18,000 ft suggests that the FDR is showing Press Alt |
gbwarming |
Aug-29-06 11:18 PM |
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Based on the physical evidence, it did hit them. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 08:25 AM |
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that is a cartoon and it is obviously disinfo |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:05 AM |
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So, you want to use the FDR from a flight you say didn't exist |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:44 AM |
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Why is everyone making a big deal out of the fact........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-29-06 09:56 PM |
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very interesting thread. |
QuettaKid |
Aug-30-06 06:38 AM |
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the fancy manouvering |
medienanalyse |
Aug-30-06 10:17 AM |
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Um, he crossed his original flight-path. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:23 AM |
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But he wasn't gonna land |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 09:58 AM |
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Why not take a nose dive? |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 02:45 PM |
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You are seeing this in retrospect |
mogster |
Aug-31-06 04:34 PM |
#63 |
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I'm seeing this as a private pilot who has flown for 20 years. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 06:33 PM |
#66 |
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"Is it possible " -"not at all likely " - "these guys WERE " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 12:56 AM |
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I'll only speak to what I have some insight. The flight path... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:05 AM |
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"100% wrong. Not true. 100% the opposite. " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 12:01 PM |
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He was an instrument/commercial rated licensed pilot........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 12:19 PM |
#108 |
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You are quick to dismiss other opinions as bullshit |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 01:15 AM |
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How long should one wait before calling bullshit? |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:31 AM |
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True, but they were thinking beings |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 01:42 AM |
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"Some of the passengers had spoken on mobile phones "? NO |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 01:55 AM |
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No, you're incorrect. Renee May also called her mother. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 02:14 AM |
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Six individuals |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 03:24 AM |
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Do you think air travel employees were trained to fight back |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:38 AM |
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I remember seeing Ted Olson being interviewed |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-01-06 05:47 AM |
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I counted 13 different versions in 2003 |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 07:20 AM |
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Even if they knew about the other planes, |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 02:07 AM |
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No |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 02:57 AM |
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But you weren't on the plane. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:12 AM |
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Well, we have the phone calls |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 03:32 AM |
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The strength of my argument doesn't depend on bombs at all. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 03:45 AM |
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No |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 04:25 AM |
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I said forget the bombs, and justify |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 04:31 AM |
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It's the official explanation? |
mogster |
Sep-01-06 05:10 AM |
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"the passengers may have been told " |
medienanalyse |
Sep-01-06 01:45 AM |
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No, it's a reasoned, speculative hypothesis. nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 01:52 AM |
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Hindsight is what? ;) nt |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:18 AM |
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You are assuming they didint try a nose dive first |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-01-06 06:56 AM |
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rumsfeld time line scary - |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:23 AM |
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There were trained ER personnel to help victims and Rummy is |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 10:58 AM |
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That's the thing. It wasn't at all fancy. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:19 AM |
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Yes. In addition, |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 10:51 AM |
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I'm not sure what you question is re: ground effect. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 03:21 PM |
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Thanks, I see. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 03:43 PM |
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I suppose there would be a ground effect. |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 04:20 PM |
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In the words of Paul Wolfowitz |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-09-06 11:01 AM |
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If one is not a pilot, it is hard to tell who to believe |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 11:04 AM |
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can you say smoking gun? |
spooked911 |
Aug-30-06 09:06 AM |
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So, what hit the polls? A missile? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-30-06 10:29 AM |
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ONCE AGAIN |
boolean |
Aug-30-06 10:58 AM |
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What's wrong with just asking the questions? |
bmcatt |
Aug-30-06 11:18 AM |
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Strawman. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. |
greyl |
Aug-30-06 11:53 AM |
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You're right, and it's no strawman.eom |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-01-06 01:26 AM |
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Have to agree. Those who say that would make terrible police |
treestar |
Sep-09-06 11:01 AM |
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Wouldn't hitting the lightpoles |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 06:30 AM |
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Combustion takes time to start |
sgsmith |
Aug-31-06 10:00 AM |
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Breaking of wings doesn't? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 01:09 PM |
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The light poles are designed to break away, not the wings! nt |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 01:19 PM |
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Light poles designed to break away? |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 03:01 PM |
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Yes, designed to break away. |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 03:19 PM |
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So is there any proof |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 03:25 PM |
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Yes, in answer to your question: |
greyl |
Aug-31-06 04:14 PM |
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Do you ever get the feeling you are talking to a brick wall? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-31-06 06:06 PM |
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Hehe. I think I'd rather call it |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:20 AM |
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I don't have time for your wild goose chases |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-31-06 06:27 PM |
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Oh c'mon. I wouldn't call your original question a wild goose chase. |
greyl |
Sep-01-06 12:17 AM |
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to make it look as though a large plane came in very low, |
rman |
Sep-09-06 05:23 AM |
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Do you have any proof of how the light poles were brought down? |
Nozebro |
Sep-09-06 10:34 AM |
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What hit the Light Poles? - Was the landing gear down? |
Make7 |
Aug-30-06 12:30 PM |
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Just a question |
boloboffin |
Aug-30-06 05:04 PM |
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Knocked down by jet engine blow back maybe?? |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 01:29 AM |
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I think we've talked about that possibility before... |
AZCat |
Sep-01-06 06:19 AM |
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Nope |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-01-06 07:09 AM |
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I'm confused. What would you have heard? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:32 AM |
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It would have been exceedingly out of the ordinary |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 11:27 AM |
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Wow. Your neighborhood goes in to a tizzy over a plane..... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 11:40 AM |
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, did he totally nosedive in the last 10 miles or so? |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 12:17 PM |
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I'm not sure what you are saying but the graph seems to be a bit... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 12:40 PM |
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I see. There's a corollary map of the "final approach" from NTSB |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 01:07 PM |
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Was there a picture embedded? All I got was a "red X" nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 02:08 PM |
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Let me try again see if uploadfile.info works better than hotlinking |
Sinti |
Sep-01-06 03:21 PM |
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RE: map scale |
Make7 |
Sep-02-06 05:34 PM |
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There has only been one officially released flight path. |
Make7 |
Sep-02-06 06:38 PM |
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Was 495 a typo? Yep, or maybe just a brain fart. I meant 395 and Rt. 7 |
Sinti |
Sep-08-06 11:43 PM |
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JohnDoeX in defense of analysis and anonymity |
reprehensor |
Sep-01-06 05:54 AM |
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Ask him how much atlimeter lag we should see 5400ft/min descent rate. |
gbwarming |
Sep-01-06 08:33 AM |
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Do we even know, for a fact, that this isn't a radar altimeter? nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-01-06 10:40 AM |
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The FDR column is labeled as "pressure alt" |
sgsmith |
Sep-01-06 05:37 PM |
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Thanks. I understand there are readings for the pressure alt. |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-02-06 06:51 AM |
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Kingshakabobo |
johndoeX |
Sep-08-06 11:21 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
greyl |
Sep-08-06 11:51 PM |
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26 yrs old? |
johndoeX |
Sep-09-06 04:50 AM |
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or perhaps you can debate the facts? |
johndoeX |
Sep-09-06 04:53 AM |
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Perhaps I can. State one. nt |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 03:48 AM |
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Funny stuff goin on at YouTube........ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 05:46 PM |
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And....Poof! It's gone! |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 07:06 PM |
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CFII? Do you know what altimeter lag is on the 757 >5000ft/min nt |
gbwarming |
Sep-09-06 11:27 AM |
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according to the Youtube profile. nt |
greyl |
Sep-09-06 02:04 PM |
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LOL. Another internet phony. 26 years old with 20 years experience. nt |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 01:28 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-10-06 03:01 AM |
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Any comments on Hysteresis and its effect on an altimeter during... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-10-06 11:41 AM |
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it was the ay-rab goat herder |
leftofthedial |
Sep-09-06 10:39 AM |
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"ay-rab goat herder"? |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 01:56 AM |
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someone took over those planes |
leftofthedial |
Sep-10-06 02:12 AM |
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"Don't you listen to the radio?" |
greyl |
Sep-10-06 03:46 AM |
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I'm glad to be of help |
leftofthedial |
Sep-10-06 07:36 AM |
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There's no proof that ANYTHING "hit" the light poles. |
Nozebro |
Sep-10-06 10:54 AM |
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Cabbie who was hit by a light pole supposedly |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-11-06 01:45 AM |
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What is an "LC" guy? Is it too much to just spell it out? EOM |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 10:13 AM |
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Bush Senior's plane clipped a pole & tore off a wing |
mirandapriestly |
Sep-11-06 01:53 AM |
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Of course - but disruptors will say "different kind of plane, ma'am". NT |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 10:16 AM |
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Sure, don't let the factinistas get in your way or slow you down.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 10:40 AM |
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You neglected to mention about the poles. Remember the POLES? |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 01:11 PM |
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I try to speak about only what I know............ |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 01:42 PM |
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Now I understand why you didn't respond to the points I made. |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 05:25 PM |
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"where in my post is there any mention of a Gulfstream?" |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 06:27 PM |
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Your post is little more than an excuse for not being able to refute mine. |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 07:14 PM |
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I have no idea and neither do you! |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 07:24 PM |
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I'll stick with the proof/expert opinion. N/T |
Nozebro |
Sep-11-06 09:54 PM |
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Which would be........what? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 10:01 PM |
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Good point, the poles were bigger too, 200 feet tall |
gbwarming |
Sep-11-06 02:30 PM |
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I'm not sure what your point is??? |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 02:49 PM |
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I'd expect more damage from larger poles/towers too |
gbwarming |
Sep-11-06 03:22 PM |
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That's what I thought.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Sep-11-06 03:25 PM |
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Vertical Speed/Alternate Analysis/Fallacy of Lag issues |
johndoeX |
Sep-20-06 06:44 PM |
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wings of a large plane might not have torn off, |
rman |
Nov-29-06 04:45 AM |
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And this is relevant because? (n/t) |
LARED |
Nov-29-06 04:59 AM |
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kick nt |
greyl |
Nov-29-06 01:42 AM |
#161 |