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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #101
104. p.s. the NIST apparently inhabits
an alternative engineering universe where basic terms and concepts like load transfer, redundancy, column buckling, and joist girders are unknown and a whole new Hollywood discourse is invented to describe never-before-seen 9/11 phenomena.

Weird. :shrug:
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  -Structural Engineer doesn't buy "official" WTC collapse theory reprehensor  Aug-25-06 06:09 AM   #0 
  - Is it this Charles N. Pegelow?  greyl   Aug-25-06 07:26 AM   #1 
  - Yes, that appears to be the guy.  Jazz2006   Aug-26-06 05:14 AM   #22 
  - No advanced degree - is he a PE?  screembloodymurder   Aug-25-06 07:38 AM   #2 
  - PE Civil in the California database. Doesn't show a Structural authority  gbwarming   Aug-26-06 01:22 AM   #15 
     - He would have a license number even if he had reciprocity/grandfathering  AZCat   Aug-26-06 01:42 AM   #16 
        - Fetzer didn't even know the towers were clad in aluminum. (!)  greyl   Aug-26-06 02:14 AM   #19 
  - Some problems with his arguments...  Carefulplease   Aug-25-06 03:59 PM   #3 
  - Please explain your use of the term "non representative."  mhatrw   Aug-25-06 05:03 PM   #4 
     - Representativeness of the samples.  Carefulplease   Aug-25-06 05:40 PM   #5 
     - Can you supply any evidence for any of your dubious claims?  mhatrw   Aug-25-06 07:25 PM   #7 
     - His point about samples affected by the collapse and subsequent  Jim4Wes   Aug-25-06 07:54 PM   #9 
     - "Mud cracking" method of max temperature evaluation.  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 03:25 AM   #20 
     - Statistical significance...  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 03:59 AM   #21 
        - Umm...  zforce   Aug-26-06 09:49 PM   #31 
        - I am not so careful anymore...  Carefulplease   Aug-27-06 12:13 AM   #34 
           - You have to be more precise..  zforce   Aug-27-06 02:49 AM   #35 
              - Without any corroborating evidence...  AZCat   Aug-27-06 06:48 AM   #36 
              - Go ahead AZ, explain why the NIST  zforce   Aug-27-06 12:58 PM   #37 
              - Why don't you ask them, instead of asking me?  AZCat   Aug-27-06 01:49 PM   #38 
                 - I already did ask them..  zforce   Aug-27-06 02:27 PM   #39 
                    - Welcome to DU Zforce !.....I like your style!  seatnineb   Aug-27-06 02:34 PM   #40 
                    - Thanks for the welcome and complement.  zforce   Aug-27-06 03:23 PM   #43 
                    - I disagree.  AZCat   Aug-27-06 02:42 PM   #41 
                       - Disagree all you want..  zforce   Aug-27-06 03:22 PM   #42 
                          - Thanks for your permission.  AZCat   Aug-27-06 03:27 PM   #44 
                             - Maybe you're having trouble understanding..  zforce   Aug-27-06 04:00 PM   #45 
                                - Ah - I did misunderstand.  AZCat   Aug-27-06 04:04 PM   #46 
                                   - What point is that?  zforce   Aug-27-06 04:07 PM   #47 
                                      - The one about constraints.  AZCat   Aug-27-06 04:10 PM   #48 
                                      - Indeed we both agree..  zforce   Aug-27-06 04:23 PM   #49 
                                      - It would be pointless for me to engage in supposition about this.  AZCat   Aug-27-06 04:27 PM   #50 
                                      - NO.  zforce   Aug-27-06 05:17 PM   #51 
              - It's highly ironic that you fault zforce for not providing  mhatrw   Aug-28-06 04:26 PM   #71 
                 - Why is that ironic?  AZCat   Aug-28-06 07:53 PM   #72 
              - NIST *did* attempt implementations of these methods...  Carefulplease   Aug-27-06 05:35 PM   #52 
                 - My, my..it seems you are misinterpreting once again,,  zforce   Aug-27-06 08:35 PM   #53 
                 - I've read that quote already. You leave out the rest...  Carefulplease   Aug-27-06 09:58 PM   #55 
                    - What's going on here?  zforce   Aug-27-06 11:07 PM   #57 
                    - they did *attempt* to implement the method.  Carefulplease   Aug-27-06 11:57 PM   #60 
                       - What was you subject line before you editted it?  zforce   Aug-28-06 12:03 AM   #61 
                    - Getting back to where we had left off..  zforce   Aug-28-06 11:37 PM   #75 
                       - K-16 is from WTC1 or WTC2  Carefulplease   Aug-29-06 12:44 AM   #76 
                          - HA! You just bought the farm.  dailykoff   Aug-29-06 02:52 PM   #83 
                          - Not quite accurate...  Carefulplease   Aug-29-06 09:20 PM   #84 
                             - LOL, your story changes with every  dailykoff   Aug-30-06 12:41 AM   #90 
                                - Some issues about the demise of the WTC Towers  Carefulplease   Sep-02-06 01:51 AM   #99 
                                   - Thanks, your spelling is much improved.  dailykoff   Sep-02-06 02:09 AM   #101 
                                      - p.s. the NIST apparently inhabits  dailykoff   Sep-02-06 10:16 AM   #104 
                          - Detailed examinations?  zforce   Aug-30-06 12:04 AM   #87 
                             - "NIST CHOOSING *not* to perform such precise tests"  Carefulplease   Aug-30-06 12:40 AM   #89 
                                - Enough already with the rationalizations...  zforce   Aug-30-06 11:26 PM   #93 
                                   - The fires weren't limited and diffused...  Carefulplease   Aug-31-06 01:20 AM   #96 
                 - I don't understand..  zforce   Aug-27-06 08:43 PM   #54 
                 - That is not what I am saying...  Carefulplease   Aug-27-06 11:00 PM   #56 
                    - You seem to be misunderstanding me  zforce   Aug-27-06 11:19 PM   #58 
                       - There is no such hypothetical.  Carefulplease   Aug-28-06 12:04 AM   #62 
                          - What the heck..  zforce   Aug-28-06 12:20 AM   #63 
                             - Did I ever even suggest that the positives were "conclusive"?  Carefulplease   Aug-28-06 12:34 AM   #65 
                                - Yes,, you kinda did  zforce   Aug-28-06 01:03 AM   #68 
                                   - Not at all !  Carefulplease   Aug-28-06 01:31 AM   #69 
                                      - Lets slow down a bit..  zforce   Aug-28-06 09:54 PM   #73 
                                         - You will find the temperature histories in the relevant reports...  Carefulplease   Aug-29-06 01:46 AM   #77 
                                         - I seem to be missing the part...  zforce   Aug-29-06 10:22 PM   #85 
                                         - Can you make your question more precise?  Carefulplease   Aug-29-06 11:16 PM   #86 
                                         - A core column to reach temps of 550c.  zforce   Aug-30-06 12:18 AM   #88 
                                         - What caused me to say that?  Carefulplease   Aug-30-06 12:45 AM   #91 
                                         - (cough)  zforce   Aug-30-06 11:32 PM   #94 
                                         - I've compared the two statements...  Carefulplease   Aug-31-06 12:44 AM   #95 
                                         - "Exotic forensic tests"?  zforce   Sep-01-06 10:42 PM   #97 
                                         - Relaxation of Persistent Pressures in Beans and the Production of Gases.  Carefulplease   Sep-02-06 12:20 AM   #98 
                                         - Oh boy..  zforce   Sep-02-06 02:01 AM   #100 
                                         - Theroretically possible -- yes. But are they practical?  Carefulplease   Sep-02-06 02:48 AM   #102 
                                         - No luck with "Exotic", eh?  zforce   Sep-02-06 03:55 AM   #103 
                                         - Some simple calibration technique...  Carefulplease   Sep-02-06 09:02 PM   #105 
                                         - How "exotic" would that be..  zforce   Sep-02-06 09:41 PM   #106 
                                         - It seems to me you might be underestimating the difficulties...  Carefulplease   Sep-02-06 10:13 PM   #107 
                                         - I highly doubt it..  zforce   Sep-02-06 10:41 PM   #108 
                                         - Man, I haven't done a PDE in forever.  AZCat   Aug-30-06 06:02 AM   #92 
                 - Did you change the subject line from  zforce   Aug-27-06 11:28 PM   #59 
                    - It might have been interpreted thus.  Carefulplease   Aug-28-06 12:27 AM   #64 
                       - That is what had happened.  zforce   Aug-28-06 12:58 AM   #66 
                          - In that case I apologize again for the misunderstanding. n/t  Carefulplease   Aug-28-06 01:01 AM   #67 
        - How about the fact that NO recovered WTC metal whatsoever  mhatrw   Aug-28-06 04:17 PM   #70 
           - We know the temperature of Uranus.  greyl   Aug-28-06 10:16 PM   #74 
              - Those are good points...  Carefulplease   Aug-29-06 01:54 AM   #78 
              - We think we know the temperature of Uranus.  mhatrw   Aug-29-06 01:00 PM   #79 
                 - Oh man, that was just a catchy subject line. :) However,  greyl   Aug-29-06 01:09 PM   #80 
                    - When direct evidence contradicts indirect evidence,  mhatrw   Aug-29-06 01:31 PM   #81 
                       - Now, your're posting silliness.  greyl   Aug-29-06 01:42 PM   #82 
     - Hmmm...  zforce   Aug-25-06 10:44 PM   #12 
        - "Three core columns located within these areas"  Carefulplease   Aug-25-06 10:56 PM   #13 
           - You seem to be misinterpreting..  zforce   Aug-25-06 11:42 PM   #14 
              - "Representative sample" is a stastistical concept.  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 01:42 AM   #17 
                 - I would advise you to take a look..  zforce   Aug-26-06 01:59 AM   #18 
                 - You are guessing here  Hope2006   Aug-26-06 05:59 AM   #23 
                    - You are interpreting here...  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 05:18 PM   #26 
                       - Please provide some links to substantiate what you are saying  Hope2006   Aug-26-06 05:33 PM   #27 
                          - Too much work, sorry. However...  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 05:53 PM   #28 
                             - Thanks for the advice  Hope2006   Aug-26-06 06:32 PM   #29 
                                - Your're welcome...  Carefulplease   Aug-26-06 07:37 PM   #30 
     - Column buckling...  Carefulplease   Aug-25-06 05:57 PM   #6 
        - Circular reasoning.  mhatrw   Aug-25-06 07:33 PM   #8 
        - I guess the question is  Jim4Wes   Aug-25-06 08:23 PM   #10 
        - I didn't make that reasoning...  Carefulplease   Aug-25-06 08:31 PM   #11 
        - There was no core column buckling  dailykoff   Aug-26-06 10:57 AM   #25 
  - He's absolutely right  dailykoff   Aug-26-06 10:54 AM   #24 
  - What profession are you trying to smear the professors of? nt  greyl   Aug-26-06 10:12 PM   #32 
  - He's a Halliburton alumni with no apparent expertise... the truthiness  Jazz2006   Aug-26-06 10:54 PM   #33 
 

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