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Fri Sep-01-06 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #95 |
| 97. "Exotic forensic tests"? |
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Careful states.. Your statement consists in some ungrounded speculations as to the motives of the NIST investigators for choosing to perform some battery of exotic forensic tests to the exclusion of others -- and your trying to extract a smoking gun out of this. Please point us to what has led you to claim the forensic tests were "exotic"? In the meantime, let me state for the record, "the tests were not exotic", they might have been difficult( a little more work) as the NIST claims, but they were not exotic..In fact, they seem to be very common tests.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Relaxation+of+... Results 1 - 10 of about 79,100 for Relaxation of Residual Stresses in Welds temperature. |
| -Structural Engineer doesn't buy "official" WTC collapse theory |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-06 06:09 AM |
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Is it this Charles N. Pegelow? |
greyl |
Aug-25-06 07:26 AM |
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Yes, that appears to be the guy. |
Jazz2006 |
Aug-26-06 05:14 AM |
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No advanced degree - is he a PE? |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-25-06 07:38 AM |
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PE Civil in the California database. Doesn't show a Structural authority |
gbwarming |
Aug-26-06 01:22 AM |
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He would have a license number even if he had reciprocity/grandfathering |
AZCat |
Aug-26-06 01:42 AM |
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Fetzer didn't even know the towers were clad in aluminum. (!) |
greyl |
Aug-26-06 02:14 AM |
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Some problems with his arguments... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-25-06 03:59 PM |
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Please explain your use of the term "non representative." |
mhatrw |
Aug-25-06 05:03 PM |
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Representativeness of the samples. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-25-06 05:40 PM |
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Can you supply any evidence for any of your dubious claims? |
mhatrw |
Aug-25-06 07:25 PM |
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His point about samples affected by the collapse and subsequent |
Jim4Wes |
Aug-25-06 07:54 PM |
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"Mud cracking" method of max temperature evaluation. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 03:25 AM |
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Statistical significance... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 03:59 AM |
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Umm... |
zforce |
Aug-26-06 09:49 PM |
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I am not so careful anymore... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-27-06 12:13 AM |
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You have to be more precise.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 02:49 AM |
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Without any corroborating evidence... |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 06:48 AM |
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Go ahead AZ, explain why the NIST |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 12:58 PM |
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Why don't you ask them, instead of asking me? |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 01:49 PM |
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I already did ask them.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 02:27 PM |
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Welcome to DU Zforce !.....I like your style! |
seatnineb |
Aug-27-06 02:34 PM |
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Thanks for the welcome and complement. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 03:23 PM |
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I disagree. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 02:42 PM |
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Disagree all you want.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 03:22 PM |
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Thanks for your permission. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 03:27 PM |
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Maybe you're having trouble understanding.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 04:00 PM |
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Ah - I did misunderstand. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 04:04 PM |
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What point is that? |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 04:07 PM |
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The one about constraints. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 04:10 PM |
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Indeed we both agree.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 04:23 PM |
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It would be pointless for me to engage in supposition about this. |
AZCat |
Aug-27-06 04:27 PM |
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NO. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 05:17 PM |
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It's highly ironic that you fault zforce for not providing |
mhatrw |
Aug-28-06 04:26 PM |
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Why is that ironic? |
AZCat |
Aug-28-06 07:53 PM |
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NIST *did* attempt implementations of these methods... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-27-06 05:35 PM |
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My, my..it seems you are misinterpreting once again,, |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 08:35 PM |
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I've read that quote already. You leave out the rest... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-27-06 09:58 PM |
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What's going on here? |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 11:07 PM |
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they did *attempt* to implement the method. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-27-06 11:57 PM |
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What was you subject line before you editted it? |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 12:03 AM |
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Getting back to where we had left off.. |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 11:37 PM |
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K-16 is from WTC1 or WTC2 |
Carefulplease |
Aug-29-06 12:44 AM |
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HA! You just bought the farm. |
dailykoff |
Aug-29-06 02:52 PM |
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Not quite accurate... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-29-06 09:20 PM |
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LOL, your story changes with every |
dailykoff |
Aug-30-06 12:41 AM |
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Some issues about the demise of the WTC Towers |
Carefulplease |
Sep-02-06 01:51 AM |
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Thanks, your spelling is much improved. |
dailykoff |
Sep-02-06 02:09 AM |
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p.s. the NIST apparently inhabits |
dailykoff |
Sep-02-06 10:16 AM |
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Detailed examinations? |
zforce |
Aug-30-06 12:04 AM |
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"NIST CHOOSING *not* to perform such precise tests" |
Carefulplease |
Aug-30-06 12:40 AM |
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Enough already with the rationalizations... |
zforce |
Aug-30-06 11:26 PM |
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The fires weren't limited and diffused... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-31-06 01:20 AM |
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I don't understand.. |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 08:43 PM |
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That is not what I am saying... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-27-06 11:00 PM |
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You seem to be misunderstanding me |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 11:19 PM |
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There is no such hypothetical. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-28-06 12:04 AM |
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What the heck.. |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 12:20 AM |
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Did I ever even suggest that the positives were "conclusive"? |
Carefulplease |
Aug-28-06 12:34 AM |
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Yes,, you kinda did |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 01:03 AM |
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Not at all ! |
Carefulplease |
Aug-28-06 01:31 AM |
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Lets slow down a bit.. |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 09:54 PM |
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You will find the temperature histories in the relevant reports... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-29-06 01:46 AM |
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I seem to be missing the part... |
zforce |
Aug-29-06 10:22 PM |
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Can you make your question more precise? |
Carefulplease |
Aug-29-06 11:16 PM |
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A core column to reach temps of 550c. |
zforce |
Aug-30-06 12:18 AM |
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What caused me to say that? |
Carefulplease |
Aug-30-06 12:45 AM |
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(cough) |
zforce |
Aug-30-06 11:32 PM |
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I've compared the two statements... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-31-06 12:44 AM |
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"Exotic forensic tests"? |
zforce |
Sep-01-06 10:42 PM |
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Relaxation of Persistent Pressures in Beans and the Production of Gases. |
Carefulplease |
Sep-02-06 12:20 AM |
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Oh boy.. |
zforce |
Sep-02-06 02:01 AM |
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Theroretically possible -- yes. But are they practical? |
Carefulplease |
Sep-02-06 02:48 AM |
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No luck with "Exotic", eh? |
zforce |
Sep-02-06 03:55 AM |
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Some simple calibration technique... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-02-06 09:02 PM |
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How "exotic" would that be.. |
zforce |
Sep-02-06 09:41 PM |
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It seems to me you might be underestimating the difficulties... |
Carefulplease |
Sep-02-06 10:13 PM |
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I highly doubt it.. |
zforce |
Sep-02-06 10:41 PM |
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Man, I haven't done a PDE in forever. |
AZCat |
Aug-30-06 06:02 AM |
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Did you change the subject line from |
zforce |
Aug-27-06 11:28 PM |
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It might have been interpreted thus. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-28-06 12:27 AM |
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That is what had happened. |
zforce |
Aug-28-06 12:58 AM |
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In that case I apologize again for the misunderstanding. n/t |
Carefulplease |
Aug-28-06 01:01 AM |
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How about the fact that NO recovered WTC metal whatsoever |
mhatrw |
Aug-28-06 04:17 PM |
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We know the temperature of Uranus. |
greyl |
Aug-28-06 10:16 PM |
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Those are good points... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-29-06 01:54 AM |
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We think we know the temperature of Uranus. |
mhatrw |
Aug-29-06 01:00 PM |
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Oh man, that was just a catchy subject line. :) However, |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 01:09 PM |
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When direct evidence contradicts indirect evidence, |
mhatrw |
Aug-29-06 01:31 PM |
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Now, your're posting silliness. |
greyl |
Aug-29-06 01:42 PM |
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Hmmm... |
zforce |
Aug-25-06 10:44 PM |
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"Three core columns located within these areas" |
Carefulplease |
Aug-25-06 10:56 PM |
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You seem to be misinterpreting.. |
zforce |
Aug-25-06 11:42 PM |
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"Representative sample" is a stastistical concept. |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 01:42 AM |
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I would advise you to take a look.. |
zforce |
Aug-26-06 01:59 AM |
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You are guessing here |
Hope2006 |
Aug-26-06 05:59 AM |
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You are interpreting here... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 05:18 PM |
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Please provide some links to substantiate what you are saying |
Hope2006 |
Aug-26-06 05:33 PM |
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Too much work, sorry. However... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 05:53 PM |
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Thanks for the advice |
Hope2006 |
Aug-26-06 06:32 PM |
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Your're welcome... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-26-06 07:37 PM |
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Column buckling... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-25-06 05:57 PM |
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Circular reasoning. |
mhatrw |
Aug-25-06 07:33 PM |
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I guess the question is |
Jim4Wes |
Aug-25-06 08:23 PM |
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I didn't make that reasoning... |
Carefulplease |
Aug-25-06 08:31 PM |
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There was no core column buckling |
dailykoff |
Aug-26-06 10:57 AM |
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He's absolutely right |
dailykoff |
Aug-26-06 10:54 AM |
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What profession are you trying to smear the professors of? nt |
greyl |
Aug-26-06 10:12 PM |
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He's a Halliburton alumni with no apparent expertise... the truthiness |
Jazz2006 |
Aug-26-06 10:54 PM |
#33 |
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