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Carefulplease Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:17 AM
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5. The greater asymmetry of the damage was a factor.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 12:23 AM by Carefulplease
Edited for grammar

If you chop wood with an axe from one side of a tree trunk, you will fell it faster that if you chop wood all around. The damage caused by the plane impact on WTC2 caused its top to lean heavily on one side. There was less structural damage for the fires to achieve (on either side) in order to bring the most loaded columns to fail.

The fires weren't quite going out, as evidence by the humongous plumes of hot smoke. Fresh oxygen (1/5th mixture) was going into the tower at the same rate smoke was coming out.
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  -Elevator shafts quickesst  Aug-14-06 09:03 PM   #0 
  - More than fireproofing...  AZCat   Aug-14-06 09:09 PM   #1 
  - also  mrgerbik   Aug-14-06 10:10 PM   #2 
  - WTC2 collapsed first 'cause the fires were going out. nt  petgoat   Aug-14-06 11:34 PM   #3 
     - and maybe telltale signs of themrate n/t  mrgerbik   Aug-14-06 11:39 PM   #4 
     - The greater asymmetry of the damage was a factor.  Carefulplease   Aug-15-06 12:17 AM   #5 
     - then the tower would topple over towards the damaged side  mrgerbik   Aug-15-06 12:31 AM   #6 
     - what are you talking about?  wildbilln864   Aug-15-06 12:32 AM   #7 
        - this one didn't collapse.  wildbilln864   Aug-15-06 12:41 AM   #8 
        - Neither did this one  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-16-06 06:42 PM   #25 
        - An aircraft hit didnt weaken this one. n/t  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 10:43 PM   #31 
           - The Towers survived the impact of the crash  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-17-06 06:10 AM   #52 
              - They didn't survive impact + fire.  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 11:29 AM   #53 
                 - wrong IMO...  wildbilln864   Aug-17-06 12:10 PM   #56 
                    - Isn't it asymmetric?  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 12:38 PM   #57 
                       - I agree...  wildbilln864   Aug-17-06 11:21 PM   #66 
        - It did not burn nor was it steel-framed. n/t  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 10:39 PM   #28 
           - Misread the responses  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-17-06 04:52 AM   #48 
              - Not a big deal - we all do that from time to time. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-17-06 05:02 AM   #50 
        - The "tree analogy" has been discussed here.  AZCat   Aug-15-06 12:59 AM   #10 
     - Alternatively...  KJF   Aug-15-06 01:11 AM   #11 
  - Interesting. Do tell us more about the elevator shafts when you  Jazz2006   Aug-15-06 12:49 AM   #9 
  - Right on.  dailykoff   Aug-15-06 01:34 AM   #12 
  - I've got a question (actually 2)  KJF   Aug-15-06 01:52 AM   #13 
     - Well...  quickesst   Aug-15-06 05:06 AM   #14 
        - Well?  quickesst   Aug-15-06 04:12 PM   #15 
        - I noticed your reply  Hope2006   Aug-15-06 04:14 PM   #16 
        - Maybe...  quickesst   Aug-15-06 08:25 PM   #17 
        - Dislodged fireproofing  dailykoff   Aug-15-06 10:02 PM   #19 
           - Why wouldn't an aircraft hit disloge the fireproofing?  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 10:46 PM   #32 
              - Why WOULD it?  dailykoff   Aug-16-06 10:48 PM   #33 
                 - It's not like automobile paint.  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 12:24 AM   #42 
                    - So now it's bad "vibrations"?  dailykoff   Aug-17-06 02:15 AM   #45 
                       - In the direct path of impacting debris...  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 11:47 AM   #54 
                          - What difference would that make?  dailykoff   Aug-19-06 03:39 AM   #98 
        - There's definitely an "ebb and flow"  AZCat   Aug-15-06 08:27 PM   #18 
        - Right you are.  dailykoff   Aug-15-06 10:05 PM   #20 
           - It just ....  quickesst   Aug-16-06 05:07 AM   #21 
              - Hello quickesst...  wildbilln864   Aug-16-06 11:20 AM   #23 
              - How do you expect the lower part of the tower...  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 10:55 PM   #34 
                 - The top parts didn't fall on the lower parts. They rotated  dailykoff   Aug-16-06 11:02 PM   #38 
                 - Indeed they rotated...  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 12:05 AM   #40 
                    - They fell because the buildings beneath them fell  dailykoff   Aug-17-06 02:08 AM   #44 
                 - I wouldn't expect the lower part of the tower  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 06:05 AM   #74 
                    - Evidence of pancaking...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 03:05 PM   #82 
                       - The visual evidence  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 06:38 PM   #85 
                          - I did not say these walls were "short" simpliciter...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 11:22 PM   #88 
                             - There is absolutely no evidence of pancaking anywhere.  dailykoff   Aug-19-06 03:43 AM   #99 
        - Nist says:  KJF   Aug-16-06 05:42 AM   #22 
        - When I watched...  quickesst   Aug-16-06 05:54 PM   #24 
        - HA! "ultra, time-delayed fuel "  mirandapriestly   Aug-16-06 10:04 PM   #26 
           - Fuel needs oxigen to burn.  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 10:32 PM   #27 
           - Maybe it hit somebody's cigar!  dailykoff   Aug-16-06 10:41 PM   #30 
           - Yeah, I saw that on "wikipedia".eom  mirandapriestly   Aug-16-06 10:57 PM   #35 
           - you mean "shaft" singular  DemInDistress   Aug-17-06 08:33 PM   #63 
              - I mean "shafts" plural.  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 10:42 PM   #65 
              - According to this report  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 06:32 AM   #76 
              - Interresting...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 02:54 PM   #80 
                 - That's where  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 05:41 PM   #84 
              - shaft..singular..just one elevator ran the length of both towers.  DemInDistress   Aug-18-06 12:24 PM   #77 
                 - I forgot car #7 so that makes three...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 02:48 PM   #79 
              - You seem to be suggesting, DemInDistress, that  Jazz2006   Aug-18-06 01:37 AM   #70 
                 - From what I remember  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 06:29 AM   #75 
                 - yes jazz.. not to forget that shafts were hermetically sealed  DemInDistress   Aug-18-06 12:29 PM   #78 
                    - Quite possibly...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 02:59 PM   #81 
                    - Link, please, DemInDistress. n/t  Jazz2006   Aug-18-06 04:43 PM   #83 
                       - here is an elevator diagram... notice there is only 1 (one)  DemInDistress   Aug-19-06 12:01 AM   #90 
                          - This is a side view. It does not picture all the individual elevators.  Carefulplease   Aug-19-06 01:33 AM   #94 
                          - That doesn't support your point, DemInDistress. Link, please.  Jazz2006   Aug-19-06 01:49 AM   #97 
                             - still looking jazz you ????  DemInDistress   Aug-19-06 06:57 PM   #105 
           - Dripped down AND up  dailykoff   Aug-16-06 10:40 PM   #29 
              - wasn't there no soot? Maybe I'm wrong about that  mirandapriestly   Aug-16-06 10:59 PM   #36 
              - Did not "drip up". Rather: was blown up. Think air pressure...  Carefulplease   Aug-16-06 11:01 PM   #37 
                 - Right. Blew out the lobby then blew a quarter mile up to the roof.  dailykoff   Aug-16-06 11:04 PM   #39 
                    - Blowing air up is not much harder than blowing it down...  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 12:15 AM   #41 
                       - It burns outside, it explodes inside, it falls down, it floats up,  dailykoff   Aug-17-06 02:05 AM   #43 
                       - The fuel fires are not assumed...  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 12:00 PM   #55 
                          - The photo....  quickesst   Aug-17-06 05:19 PM   #58 
                          - That's because a hot burning spot wasn't located "right behind her".  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 08:09 PM   #62 
                          - Now I definitely have to call  wildbilln864   Aug-17-06 11:36 PM   #67 
                             - WTC fires and nuclear power plants....  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 01:32 AM   #69 
                                - I don't doubt that the heat output rivaled a nuclear power plant.  dailykoff   Aug-19-06 04:01 AM   #100 
                                - First you...  quickesst   Aug-19-06 08:07 AM   #103 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-17-06 02:17 AM   #46 
                       - The fuel in an aircraft  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-06 10:50 PM   #87 
                          - A jet engine directs the hot expanding combustion gasses...  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 11:37 PM   #89 
                             - Elevators mix, preheat, and compress jet fuel?  dailykoff   Aug-19-06 04:03 AM   #101 
        - In it's simplest form an explosion is merely a  LARED   Aug-17-06 04:47 AM   #47 
        - OK, fair enough  KJF   Aug-17-06 05:37 AM   #51 
           - It's rather difficult to tell how much fuel would be required  LARED   Aug-18-06 10:10 PM   #86 
              - which would be where the fuel had entered... not 80 floors below n/t  mrgerbik   Aug-19-06 01:03 AM   #91 
              - I'm sure you were trying to make a point, Perhaps  LARED   Aug-19-06 05:46 AM   #102 
              - 25,000  KJF   Aug-19-06 01:12 AM   #93 
                 - So what do you conclude from that information? (n/t)  LARED   Aug-19-06 08:31 AM   #104 
        - I can't see how fuel from the airplanes  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-17-06 05:02 AM   #49 
           - the fuel burnt off in the fireball the rest is baloney  savemefromdumbya   Aug-17-06 07:49 PM   #59 
              - Office fires without jet fuel all are baloney?  Carefulplease   Aug-17-06 08:02 PM   #60 
                 - not the sort of liquid that runs through the walls and shafts  savemefromdumbya   Aug-17-06 08:05 PM   #61 
                 - Just remember...  quickesst   Aug-17-06 08:52 PM   #64 
                 - Please name ...  wildbilln864   Aug-17-06 11:45 PM   #68 
                    - The temperature of a candle flame is 2500 degree F.  Carefulplease   Aug-18-06 01:51 AM   #71 
                       - doesn't mean  mrgerbik   Aug-19-06 01:10 AM   #92 
                          - Why is that highly doubtful?  Carefulplease   Aug-19-06 01:38 AM   #95 
                             - if the fuel for the fire  mrgerbik   Aug-19-06 01:48 AM   #96 
        - Sorry, I hadn't noticed that you addressed me until now since you  Jazz2006   Aug-18-06 02:22 AM   #72 
           - See...  quickesst   Aug-18-06 05:25 AM   #73 
 

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