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The pilots and the planes
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These are the Social Security Death Index Search Results
for the aviators of the four planes of September 11, 2001.
The following results were obtained on 3/12/2004 by accessing this site
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi/ssd...
and typing in the names of the aviators together with the month (September) and the year (2001).
The entries below have been edited slightly.

I have been given to understand that:
Verified = Report verified with a family member or someone acting on behalf of a family member.
Proof = Death Certificate Observed.

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FLIGHT 11
John Alexander Ogonowski AGE 52
Name: Birth: Death: Last Residence: SSN card issued in:
BRUCE E OGONOWSKI : 28 Feb 1944 : 12 Sep 2001 : Proof : California

Thomas Francis McGuinness Jr AGE 42
Name : Birth : Death :SSN card issued in:
ALICE A MCGUINNESS : 03 Feb 193 : 04 Sep 2001 : Verified : New York
JOHN P MCGUINNESS : 25 Feb 1918 : 01 Sep 2001 : Verified : Ohio

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FLIGHT 77
Charles Frank Burlingame III AGE 51
Name : Birth : Death : SSN card issued in:
CHARLES F BURLINGAME : 12 Sep 1949: 11 Sep 2001: Verified: District of Columbia

David Michael Charlebois AGE 39
Name: Birth: Death: Last Residence: SSN card issued in:
Last Name CHARLEBOIS
Death Year 2001 Scanned
Death Month 09 Scanned
NOTHING FOUND

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FLIGHT 93
Jason Matthew Dahl AGE 43
Since there were eighteen (18) entries, here are the males and below that,
the one and only (DAHL) death that actually occurred on September 11, 2001.
Name : Birth : Death : SSN card issued in:
GEORGE G DAHL : 22 Jun 1919 : 15 Sep 2001 : Verified : Massachusetts
CRETE M DAHL : 03 Aug 1896 : 15 Sep 2001 : Verified : New York
OLIVER B DAHL : 22 Oct 1918 : 07 Sep 2001 : Verified : Minnesota
DAVID J DAHL : 31 Oct 1941 : 26 Sep 2001 : Proof : Minnesota
SIGFRED T DAHL: 24 Feb 1939 : 09 Sep 2001 : Verified : Washington
NORMAN K DAHL : 17 Jun 1928 : 19 Sep 2001 : Verified : North Dakota
JEFFREY P DAHL: 19 Dec 1951 : 26 Sep 2001 : Proof : Oregon
CHARLES M DAHL: 17 Jan 1929 : 16 Sep 2001 : Verified : California
PEARL W DAHL : 14 Sep 1925 : 11 Sep 2001 : Verified : Indiana

Leroy Wilton Homer Jr AGE 36
Name : Birth : Death : Issued in:
HERBERT W HOMER: 05 Feb 1953 : 11 Sep 2001 : Proof : Massachusetts
EDITH D HOMER : 27 Feb 1918 : 01 Sep 2001 : Verified : New York
GLENN B HOMER : 13 Feb 1926 : 24 Sep 2001 : Proof : Pennsylvania

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FLIGHT 175
Victor John Saracini AGE 51
Name : Birth : Death: : SSN card issued in:
VICTOR J SARACINI : 29 Aug 1950: 11 Sep 2001 : New Jersey

Michael Robert Horrocks AGE 38
Name : Birth : Death : SSN card issued in:
MICHAEL R HORROCKS : 24 Mar 1963 : 11 Sep 2001 : Proof : Pennsylvania

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Let us now turn our attention to the planes that these aviators were flying.

Here is the N-number page on
the FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION DATABASE.
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNum_inquiry.asp
These are the results obtained by typing in the N-mumbers and Serial numbers
for the four planes of September 11, 2001.


N 334AA Flight 11 Serial 22332 Issued 1/6/2000 Registration: Cancelled 1/14/2002
N 644AA Flight 77 Serial 24602 Issued 5/8/1991 Registration: Cancelled 1/14/2002
N 591UA Flight 93 Serial 28142 Issued 7/1/1996 Registration: Valid
N 612UA Flight 175 Serial 21873 Issued 1/18/1984 Registration: Valid
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm

Sec. 47.41 - Duration and return of Certificate.
(a) Each Certificate of Aircraft Registration issued by the FAA under this subpart is effective, unless suspended or revoked, UNTIL THE DATE UPON WHICH --
(2) The registration is canceled at the written request of the holder of the certificate;
(3) THE AIRCRAFT IS TOTALLY DESTROYED OR SCRAPPED;
(b) The Certificate of Aircraft Registration, with the reverse side completed, must be returned to the FAA Aircraft Registry --
(3) Upon the termination of the registration, by the holder of the Certificate of Aircraft Registration in all other cases mentioned in paragraph (a) of this section.
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part47-41-FAR.shtml

******** ********

CONCLUSION
When we put the results of the SSDI and the FAA database together,
this is what we have.

FLIGHT 11
John Alexander Ogonowski, pilot, apparently STILL ALIVE.
Thomas Francis McGuinness Jr, copilot, apparently STILL ALIVE.
N 334AA Serial 22332
Registration: Cancelled/ plane destroyed on 1/14/2002

FLIGHT 77
Charles Frank Burlingame, pilot, DECEASED as of September 11, 2001.
David Michael Charlebois, copilot, apparently STILL ALIVE.
N 644AA Serial 24602
Registration: Cancelled/ plane destroyed on 1/14/2002

FLIGHT 93
Jason Matthew Dahl, pilot, apparently STILL ALIVE.
Leroy Wilton Homer Jr, copilot, apparently STILL ALIVE.
N 591UA Serial 28142
Registration: Valid/ PLANE STILL ABLE TO FLY.

FLIGHT 175
Victor Saracini, pilot, DECEASED as of September 11, 2001
Michael Horrocks, copilot, DECEASED as of September 11, 2001
N 612UA Serial 21873
Registration: Valid/ PLANE STILL ABLE TO FLY.
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  -The pilots and the planes DulceDecorum  Apr-02-04 08:07 PM   #0 
  - One small hole in your theory:  MercutioATC   Apr-03-04 09:50 AM   #1 
  - Show me the bodies  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 02:23 PM   #6 
  - I think you might find this picture interesting  DoYouEverWonder   May-26-04 10:00 PM   #41 
     - lared: Please answer this person's query about FL 77  Abe Linkman   May-26-04 10:35 PM   #42 
     - Abe requested I answer this  LARED   May-28-04 11:07 AM   #47 
  - One BIG hole  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 12:24 PM   #34 
     - This still simply a bookkeeping issue.  MercutioATC   Apr-08-04 10:15 AM   #38 
  - Again???????  LARED   Apr-03-04 12:26 PM   #2 
  - What if  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 02:37 PM   #7 
     - Ok, I'll bite  LARED   Apr-03-04 02:55 PM   #9 
  - This is not evidence for the existence of the planes.  boloboffin   Apr-03-04 12:38 PM   #3 
  - One page vs FOUR pages  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 02:55 PM   #8 
     - Can't help it - going to cheat  boloboffin   Apr-03-04 03:22 PM   #11 
        - Here is another question  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 06:34 PM   #17 
           - Here is another answer  boloboffin   Apr-04-04 01:15 AM   #19 
              - You did NOT answer  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 10:36 AM   #29 
  - No words ....  DeadBroke   Apr-03-04 12:53 PM   #4 
  - Keep registrations?  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 03:54 PM   #13 
     - It may be comparing ...  DeadBroke   Apr-03-04 05:14 PM   #14 
        - Airworthiness  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 06:00 PM   #15 
        - A registration ...  DeadBroke   Apr-03-04 11:26 PM   #18 
           - cars and planes - some german aspects  medienanalyse   Apr-04-04 04:09 AM   #20 
           - Noble House  DulceDecorum   Apr-04-04 11:53 PM   #22 
           - Tiles are different from registration  DulceDecorum   Apr-04-04 11:27 PM   #21 
           - a good question  medienanalyse   Apr-05-04 01:03 AM   #23 
           - Not so bright, not so fast,  DulceDecorum   Apr-05-04 01:20 PM   #26 
              - Dont try to be Columbo. You are not. We are not.  medienanalyse   Apr-06-04 01:01 PM   #35 
                 - I agree on most of your points.  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 09:20 PM   #36 
                    - again brilliant ...  medienanalyse   Apr-07-04 03:45 AM   #37 
           - Like I said in #14 ....  DeadBroke   Apr-05-04 08:08 AM   #25 
              - Don't worry about it too much--  mn9driver   Apr-05-04 04:58 PM   #27 
              - Not so  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 11:51 AM   #31 
           - You keep confusing  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 12:06 PM   #33 
        - Probably mail  TrogL   Apr-05-04 02:06 AM   #24 
           - You knew him?  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 10:01 AM   #28 
              - Please see #25 ...  DeadBroke   Apr-06-04 10:48 AM   #30 
                 - You might want to check into those"valid" registrations  DulceDecorum   Apr-06-04 11:54 AM   #32 
  - Thank God  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 02:20 PM   #5 
  - Dulce - I do not agree with you in many points  medienanalyse   Apr-03-04 03:16 PM   #10 
  - Maybe the planes are in Saudi Arabia?  woody b   Apr-03-04 03:44 PM   #12 
     - Perhaps.....  DulceDecorum   Apr-03-04 06:27 PM   #16 
  - The discussion continues  DulceDecorum   May-26-04 02:45 PM   #39 
  - Lots of links, but I must have missed the answer to my question:  MercutioATC   May-26-04 03:19 PM   #40 
     - Which ATC school did you attend?  DulceDecorum   May-27-04 12:12 AM   #43 
        - My, you DO bounce around. I'll try to clarify.  MercutioATC   May-27-04 02:59 AM   #44 
           - The curse of the Ancient Mariner  DulceDecorum   May-27-04 01:51 PM   #45 
              - Boat references? Space references? You're reaching here...  MercutioATC   May-27-04 07:08 PM   #46 
                 - Planespotters  DulceDecorum   May-28-04 11:18 AM   #48 
                    - Wow great news DD  LARED   May-28-04 11:26 AM   #49 
                    - All in good time,  DulceDecorum   May-28-04 05:17 PM   #51 
                       - Post 'em, Dulce!  boloboffin   May-29-04 03:39 PM   #59 
                    - Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy  boloboffin   May-28-04 01:22 PM   #50 
                    - Consider this  DulceDecorum   May-28-04 05:25 PM   #52 
                    - First, I'd bet the newspaper article was in error with the dates  MercutioATC   May-28-04 06:26 PM   #53 
                    - Have you noticed  LARED   May-29-04 06:59 AM   #54 
                       - I know. Seems they're trying to make both sides of the argument.  MercutioATC   May-29-04 07:41 AM   #55 
                       - I like the SSDI scam  LARED   May-29-04 08:44 AM   #56 
                       - I like the insurance scam better  DulceDecorum   May-30-04 12:34 AM   #61 
                          - There you go, relying on government databases again...  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 01:27 PM   #76 
                             - Where are the pieces?  DulceDecorum   Jun-03-04 10:38 AM   #81 
                                - Straight ahead, DD!  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 10:46 AM   #82 
                                - Well, they generally pick up the "pieces" and the "mush". It's unsightly.  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 11:19 AM   #84 
                                - Proof? Of WHAT conspiracy theory, mercutio?  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 02:56 PM   #89 
                                   - Reason, Abe. That's my basis...  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 09:43 PM   #99 
                                      - We agree: the U.S. Gov't is complicit.  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 10:29 PM   #101 
                                - There are times ...  DeadBroke   Jun-03-04 07:09 PM   #93 
                       - Perhaps Colleen Rowley can answer that question  DulceDecorum   May-30-04 03:22 PM   #64 
                          - Dulce, you disappoint me.  boloboffin   May-30-04 04:41 PM   #66 
                             - bolo -- I thought for sure you'd try to refute what DD said.  Abe Linkman   May-30-04 06:20 PM   #67 
                                - Abe, pay attention.  boloboffin   May-30-04 11:20 PM   #69 
                                   - bolo -- we're still waiting for that Poll you promised  Abe Linkman   May-31-04 08:59 AM   #70 
                                   - And I'm still waiting for the poll you promised (n/t)  LARED   May-31-04 09:12 AM   #71 
                                   - To remind our audience of the truth  boloboffin   Jun-02-04 12:27 PM   #72 
                                      - Sounds like someone is backing away from the shiny object.  Abe Linkman   Jun-02-04 02:46 PM   #77 
                                         - Relax, Abe. I made the poll.  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 07:29 PM   #78 
                                            - Don't want to burst your bubble, but it's 9-1 in favor of Al-Queda  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 07:34 PM   #79 
                                            - Right now, it's 65% to 35% in favor of Al Qaeda  boloboffin   Jun-03-04 01:20 AM   #80 
                                            - Couldn't find Poll, but results DON'T back YOUR claim  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 11:16 AM   #83 
                                            - Oh, PLEASE! (and a link)  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 11:23 AM   #85 
                                            - Your poll is worthless for anything except O.Story conspiracy pushers  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 03:04 PM   #90 
                                            - See my other reply, Abe. If you object to the wording, feel free to  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 09:40 PM   #98 
                                            - Your poll didn't ask what had been proposed that should be asked.  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 03:11 PM   #91 
                                            - So why didn't you take me up on my offer to let YOU post the poll?  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 09:39 PM   #97 
                                            - Chill, mercutio. I merely pointed out the problem with your Poll.  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 10:33 PM   #102 
                                            - Unfortunately, in a public forum  boloboffin   Jun-04-04 12:48 AM   #104 
                                            - Just as soon  DulceDecorum   Jun-04-04 05:24 PM   #106 
                                   - Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bolo, but some people can't see  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 01:01 PM   #73 
                       - Overlooked  DeadBroke   May-29-04 10:52 AM   #57 
                          - That's because the buildings are still standing somewhere...  MercutioATC   May-29-04 11:58 AM   #58 
                             - Shiwan Khan  DulceDecorum   May-29-04 11:38 PM   #60 
                                - I'm not dignifying your mass hypnosis statement with a thoughtful  MercutioATC   May-30-04 07:21 AM   #62 
                                   - Standard excuse for 9-11 -- also useful for FAA explanations  Abe Linkman   May-30-04 01:58 PM   #63 
                                      - That is a failure that calls for heads to roll  DulceDecorum   May-30-04 03:58 PM   #65 
                                      - Excellent work DD  LARED   May-30-04 07:19 PM   #68 
                                      - LARED vs MercutioATC  DulceDecorum   Jun-03-04 01:22 PM   #87 
                                         - Dulce vs. Dulce  boloboffin   Jun-03-04 04:34 PM   #92 
                                            - OK then,  DulceDecorum   Jun-04-04 01:35 PM   #105 
                                            - Heeheeheee  MercutioATC   Jun-04-04 10:38 PM   #108 
                                      - Nice attempt to twist my words...  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 01:20 PM   #75 
                                      - Actually, Abe, it really all comes down to the people we elect.  MercutioATC   Jun-02-04 01:10 PM   #74 
                    - Regarding Victor Saracini's records...  AZCat   Jun-03-04 11:44 AM   #86 
                       - Really?  DulceDecorum   Jun-03-04 01:53 PM   #88 
                          - Regarding Certificates...  AZCat   Jun-03-04 08:32 PM   #94 
                             - "so I am familiar with the procedures"  LARED   Jun-03-04 08:40 PM   #95 
                                - That might happen...  AZCat   Jun-03-04 08:52 PM   #96 
                                   - Welcome to the trenches, AZCat. It's nice to see yet another poster with  MercutioATC   Jun-03-04 09:54 PM   #100 
                                      - Hang in there, mercutio, bush might yet do a Reagan.  Abe Linkman   Jun-03-04 10:35 PM   #103 
  - NEW THREAD  DulceDecorum   Jun-04-04 05:50 PM   #107 
 

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