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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. Proving that they were to blame the Arabs is a red herring.
He made his main point and you have conceded.
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  -Nadler: Questions About War in Iraq Cannot 'Fairly Involve Israel' sabra  Jun-20-05 06:42 AM   #0 
  - Wrong, is Israel a "sovereign state" or a "sacred prized pal"  ElectroPrincess   Jun-20-05 06:50 AM   #1 
  - True, it should...  DixieDem   Jun-20-05 09:11 PM   #126 
  - Geeez....in lieu of the Israeli spy case, I think the case for Israeli  Dover   Jun-20-05 07:02 AM   #2 
  - What has him being from New York got to do with it? n/t  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 07:13 AM   #5 
  - Lots of Joooooos live in NY. But don't you dare suggest  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 08:03 AM   #8 
     - I am a Jew, was against the Iraq war from the start  still_one   Jun-20-05 08:21 AM   #11 
     - "Jooooos" was meant sarcastically. I was mocking  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 08:25 AM   #12 
        - the point I was making was that the U.S. under bush I  still_one   Jun-20-05 08:30 AM   #13 
           - Maybe, but Saddam was still 100% wrong to invade.  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 08:34 AM   #15 
           - of course you are right, but it was a setup  still_one   Jun-20-05 08:58 AM   #24 
           - mixed message? more like the go-ahead...  bicentennial_baby   Jun-20-05 08:37 AM   #17 
              - The matter was a border dispute between the two countries.  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 08:38 AM   #18 
                 - I know all about what happened  bicentennial_baby   Jun-20-05 08:52 AM   #21 
                    - what is amazing is most Americans do not even realize what happened  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:00 AM   #25 
     - I try to give people the benefit of the doubt  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 08:47 AM   #20 
     - Excuse me, where are you coming from? Not helpful at all.  bunny planet   Jun-20-05 11:54 AM   #91 
        - I'm not calling them Joooooos. It was meant sarcastically.  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 01:29 PM   #107 
  - Bush is from Texas  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:08 PM   #94 
  - We have to deal with the Israel issue  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-20-05 07:02 AM   #3 
  - The problem isn't Israel - it's oil  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:19 PM   #96 
  - Yeah, because that is logical, isn't it?  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 07:11 AM   #4 
  - Once again, Israel is not an ally;  short bus president   Jun-20-05 08:05 AM   #9 
  - Whichever way you look at it  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 08:45 AM   #19 
  - you are right  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:13 AM   #29 
  - The sacred cow has an infected teat called Likud.  TahitiNut   Jun-20-05 07:59 AM   #6 
  - This guy is an asshat.  lateo   Jun-20-05 08:02 AM   #7 
  - No one forced the U.S. to go into Iraq except the U.S.  still_one   Jun-20-05 08:06 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 09:31 AM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 09:36 AM   #47 
  - Please don't post anti-semitic bullshit here n/t  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:39 AM   #50 
  - As long as certain subjects are forbidden  librechik   Jun-20-05 09:49 AM   #60 
  - I agree. Blaming Israel is a distraction  JerseygirlCT   Jun-20-05 09:32 AM   #44 
  - HERE AGAIN IS THE TRUTH. You gonna have it removed again?  jasop   Jun-20-05 10:07 AM   #70 
     - That post doesn't link to a racist site nor does it rant about  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 12:32 PM   #98 
  - Nadler is a damn good guy  trebizond   Jun-20-05 08:34 AM   #14 
  - There are single-issue 'anti-zionists' that call themselves progressives.  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 08:35 AM   #16 
  - This serves two purposes  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:20 AM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 08:54 AM   #22 
  - the whole Congress is owned by someone  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:07 AM   #27 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 09:28 AM   #39 
        - No, some of us just aren't obsessed with Israel and are suspicious  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 09:33 AM   #45 
        - Actually, she has a very good point  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:40 AM   #51 
        - Yep, would a true die-hard supporter/friend of Israeli supremacism  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 09:43 AM   #53 
           - The ethnic and racial angles are perfect wedge  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:47 AM   #56 
        - Clues  Behind the Aegis   Jun-20-05 01:41 PM   #108 
  - Considering the fact that Israel attacked the USS Liberty in 1967  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 08:57 AM   #23 
  - every country is free game if they do something wrong  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:04 AM   #26 
     - I said they intended to blame it on the Arabs, but the crew was able to  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:08 AM   #28 
        - not valid  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:16 AM   #30 
        - ummm.. ok.. lets pretend there isn't a pink elephant in the room n/t  jasop   Jun-20-05 09:22 AM   #34 
        - show me credible evidence where the Arabs were going to be blamed?  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:24 AM   #35 
        - You go ahead and rely on the "official" government report. I will rely on  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:26 AM   #37 
           - show me where the surviors said the Arabs were going to be blamed  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:30 AM   #40 
              - Considering that there is no way you had time to go to their website and  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:35 AM   #46 
                 - I have read extensively on this  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:48 AM   #57 
                    - Same here. I choose to believe the sailors.  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:51 AM   #62 
                       - I believe the sailors, i.e. victiums also  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:54 AM   #64 
                       - Do you think Israel would've taken responsibility if they hadn't been  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 10:09 AM   #71 
                       - I have also read extensively  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 02:38 PM   #111 
        - But that already assumes that after sinking the ship  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:22 AM   #33 
           - I am afraid they have already made their mind up, forget the facts  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:28 AM   #38 
           - You haven't even bothered to look at the facts. You went to CNN  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:37 AM   #49 
           - There is nothing that can make me believe the Israelis didn't know they  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:31 AM   #41 
              - But this was not my point  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:42 AM   #52 
                 - Proving that they were to blame the Arabs is a red herring.  The Stranger   Jun-20-05 09:44 AM   #54 
                 - What have I conceded?  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:48 AM   #58 
                 - That's SHE!  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:50 AM   #61 
                 - The only point I want to know is to SHOW me where  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:52 AM   #63 
                    - What do you mean by "strategic advantage" and don't you think that a real  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:57 AM   #66 
                       - yes the U.S. covered it up, a real investigation should have been done  still_one   Jun-20-05 10:18 AM   #76 
                          - Both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist. I do believe regarding  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 10:29 AM   #79 
                          - touche'  still_one   Jun-20-05 10:43 AM   #81 
                          - Doesn't quite fly (so to speak)  eyl   Jun-20-05 10:53 AM   #83 
                             - Who is Michael Oren  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 11:27 AM   #86 
                                - Shrug  eyl   Jun-20-05 12:38 PM   #102 
                 - Perhaps you didn't see my original post  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 09:48 AM   #59 
                    - OK, I did see it  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 09:55 AM   #65 
                       - Is the second link taking you to a "Don Marquis" website? That happened to  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 10:00 AM   #68 
                       - Yes it is  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 10:12 AM   #74 
                          - Israel was WRONG to attack the liberty  still_one   Jun-20-05 10:21 AM   #77 
                          - The thing that pisses me off the most is how the survivors have been  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 10:57 AM   #84 
                             - that is mostly to blame on the U.S. government  still_one   Jun-20-05 10:59 AM   #85 
                             - and Israelis as well  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 11:34 AM   #87 
                                - no, the cover-up is the fault of the U.S.  still_one   Jun-20-05 11:39 AM   #89 
                                - I was talking about the survivors being called liars, anti-semites, etc.  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 12:07 PM   #93 
                                - Jim Ennes  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 01:03 PM   #105 
                                - The coverup of Pueblo and Liberty  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 01:06 PM   #106 
                                - My cousin Phil  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:36 PM   #101 
                             - What pisses me off is how Libertysurvivor Jim Ennes  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:34 PM   #99 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 10:24 AM   #78 
                             - Yeah, you see its the bit where the author says  Vladimir   Jun-20-05 10:29 AM   #80 
                             - Nothing will ever be proven unless there is a complete investigation.  Mzztakable   Jun-20-05 10:51 AM   #82 
                             - I would blame it on the same  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:40 PM   #104 
                             - USS Liberty - USS Pueblo - Chief of Naval Intelligence  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:29 PM   #97 
                             - Whatreallyhappened is known as an anti-semitic site.  geek tragedy   Jun-20-05 12:34 PM   #100 
                                - MediaMonitors.net Recent Article about USS Liberty  graphixtech   Jun-20-05 12:38 PM   #103 
                                   - Media sources  Behind the Aegis   Jun-20-05 05:16 PM   #121 
                       - its pretty obviously was a mistake.....  pelsar   Jun-20-05 02:26 PM   #110 
  - I disagree completely.  redqueen   Jun-20-05 09:20 AM   #31 
  - Would the IWR have passed without so much assistance by pro-Israel folks?  PurityOfEssence   Jun-20-05 09:25 AM   #36 
  - don't speak of logic, that may mean we need to actually think  still_one   Jun-20-05 09:31 AM   #43 
  - Substitute "China" for "Israel"  donkeyotay   Jun-20-05 09:36 AM   #48 
  - Look, people. The Bush admin is to blame. Full stop.  Kagemusha   Jun-20-05 09:46 AM   #55 
  - Amen. The voice of sanity.  trebizond   Jun-20-05 10:16 AM   #75 
  - Israel is being held captive by US...  readmylips   Jun-20-05 09:57 AM   #67 
  - The cry of "anti-Semtism" everytime somone critices Israeli policies in  bribri16   Jun-20-05 10:04 AM   #69 
  - And exactly why is it only Israel that you can't talk about? I will never  jasop   Jun-20-05 10:09 AM   #72 
  - Just like in the 1970's  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 05:04 PM   #120 
  - Sometimes the cries need to be heard...  Behind the Aegis   Jun-20-05 11:44 AM   #90 
  - Amen. I am deeply distressed by both the ignorance and  Colorado Blue   Jun-20-05 12:13 PM   #95 
  - It was kind of like the cry of Limousine Liberals  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 03:53 PM   #115 
  - Kinda like the cry of the limousine liberals in the 1970's  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 03:56 PM   #116 
  - Like in the 1970's  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 05:23 PM   #122 
  - "there is no place in this debate" for Nadler to call Israel "her"  donsu   Jun-20-05 10:11 AM   #73 
  - And Shell Oil isn't  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 03:45 PM   #114 
  - 87 posts and still no third vote to send this thread to the "Greatest"  The Stranger   Jun-20-05 11:37 AM   #88 
  - I've seen better threads on a thrift-shop suit.  Jim Sagle   Jun-20-05 06:39 PM   #124 
  - I think a real case can be made for some Texans  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 12:04 PM   #92 
  - Looks like fair or unfair it will involve Israel  Burried News   Jun-20-05 02:08 PM   #109 
  - If you don't think oil is the big, primary, number one motivator  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 03:40 PM   #113 
  - A generation from now  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 02:54 PM   #112 
  - Can someone tell me why Israel is off the table as a topic for discussion?  Zerex71   Jun-20-05 04:08 PM   #117 
  - It isn't.  Behind the Aegis   Jun-20-05 04:46 PM   #118 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 06:47 PM   #155 
  - Wrong On Two Counts----  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 05:01 PM   #119 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 10:51 PM   #127 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-05 11:33 PM   #129 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 11:29 AM   #131 
        - Well, I don't really think Jewish victimhood has a hell of a  Colorado Blue   Jun-21-05 01:47 PM   #133 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 02:21 PM   #134 
        - views  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 02:44 PM   #135 
           - What's your point?  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 03:20 PM   #136 
              - Implications  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 03:40 PM   #137 
                 - That's not anti-Semitic in the least bit.  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 04:17 PM   #138 
                 - let's be very clear  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 04:23 PM   #140 
                    - No, I never said that.  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 04:29 PM   #141 
                       - And the fact still remains....  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 04:34 PM   #143 
                          - Who's saying it's the biggest role?  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 05:03 PM   #149 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 04:19 PM   #139 
                    - Wrong definition  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 04:31 PM   #142 
                       - I'm not hostile or prejudiced against Jews, nor do I discriminate against  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 04:54 PM   #144 
                       - Banned words  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 04:58 PM   # 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 05:01 PM   #147 
                             - Not as much as the Oil overlords!  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 05:04 PM   #151 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-05 04:56 PM   #145 
                       - Lots of power  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-05 05:02 PM   #148 
                          - I would remind people to look up how much money and materiel  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 05:04 PM   #150 
                       - People have also forgotten what real anti-Semitism is.  Zerex71   Jun-21-05 04:58 PM   #146 
                          - Zerex....cant distinguish?  pelsar   Jun-21-05 10:43 PM   #156 
  - Now the Evangelicals  Coastie for Truth   Jun-20-05 05:37 PM   #123 
  - I originally blamed Israel for this war...  DixieDem   Jun-20-05 07:30 PM   #125 
  - That's funny...  newyorican   Jun-20-05 11:03 PM   #128 
     - Why is  Lithos   Jun-21-05 07:24 AM   #130 
     - The link...  newyorican   Jun-21-05 05:15 PM   #152 
        - I believe the official position of AIPAC  Lithos   Jun-21-05 11:00 PM   #158 
     - Even so, the thrust remains the same: Israel somehow  Colorado Blue   Jun-21-05 01:31 PM   #132 
        - I have come to the conclusion...  newyorican   Jun-21-05 05:31 PM   #153 
           - Heck, I predicted Iraq-2 would be a disaster for Israel.  bemildred   Jun-21-05 05:50 PM   #154 
           - no...you havent proved anything....  pelsar   Jun-21-05 10:51 PM   #157 
           - Unfortunately, you have also...  newyorican   Jun-21-05 11:50 PM   #159 
              - ok....  pelsar   Jun-22-05 01:36 AM   #161 
           - I agree with your statement!  Colorado Blue   Jun-23-05 12:23 AM   #162 
  - Nadler RRRAWWWKSSS, and so does Israel!  Jim Sagle   Jun-22-05 12:08 AM   #160 
 

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