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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #48
51. I'm well aware of your opinion
However, that wasn't even nearly the discussion. The borders of a state can be defined whether it's a democracy or a dictatorship. The form of government was not the issue, so you are sidetracking.

As for democracies, the US claimed to be a democracy long before blacks, Indians or women had the right to cast a ballot for elected officials. Other democracies acted likewise. I hardly think that total enfranchisement is a prerequisite for democratic for of government. It helps, of course to be considered a democracy above repute. It was to move in that direction that the Madrid Conference was held in 1991. The Palestinian population was held in very adverse conditions. This was a result of constant terror threats, as well as general inability to change to situation. The Madrid Conference was the beginning of the international efforts to bring about a change. Israeli governments were active in Madrid Conference and recognized the need to evolve a more acceptable situation for the Palestinians.

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  -Boycotting the Israeli Academy Violet_Crumble  Aug-20-04 05:05 AM   #0 
  - No consideration  Gimel   Aug-20-04 09:17 AM   #1 
  - Except nobody is killed or maimed, and Israel has democratic  Classical_Liberal   Aug-20-04 10:58 AM   #2 
  - Your Suggestion?  IA_Seth   Aug-20-04 12:49 PM   #3 
  - Similarly  Gimel   Aug-21-04 01:19 PM   #21 
  - Since when do you have a problem with collective punishment  Djinn   Aug-23-04 07:45 PM   #69 
  - Blah blah blah blah blah.  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 12:32 AM   #4 
  - So, Ilan Pappe hates Israel??  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-04 01:31 AM   #5 
  - huh?  Behind the Ageis   Aug-21-04 03:22 AM   #6 
  - Good post.  Andromeda   Aug-21-04 03:33 AM   #7 
  - You don't think a Kerry administration would be any different than Bush?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-04 03:39 AM   #8 
  - not sure what you are saying....but here I go!  Behind the Ageis   Aug-21-04 04:02 AM   #9 
     - What I was saying...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-04 04:28 AM   #10 
     - follow up  Behind the Ageis   Aug-21-04 02:12 PM   #26 
     - Prescience is a rather useful gift...  Darranar   Aug-21-04 07:24 AM   #11 
        - crystal ball...kidding  Behind the Ageis   Aug-21-04 12:57 PM   #17 
           - Fair enough. n/t  Darranar   Aug-21-04 01:38 PM   #24 
  - Israel is in no danger of being overrun by its neighbors  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 12:17 PM   #14 
     - I tend to disagree  Behind the Ageis   Aug-21-04 12:35 PM   #16 
     - Our past violations are water under the bridge if you are referring to  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 01:04 PM   #19 
        - No one wants open warfare  Gimel   Aug-21-04 01:45 PM   #25 
           - There is no threat from Lebanon and Syria.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 04:11 PM   #28 
              - There are two sides to every coin  Gimel   Aug-22-04 11:08 AM   #53 
                 - Establishment liberals maybe, but not the American people.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 11:17 AM   #54 
                    - Do you have any references  Gimel   Aug-22-04 11:55 AM   #56 
                       - Yes  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 01:06 PM   #58 
                          - Half is not "most"  Gimel   Aug-22-04 01:21 PM   #60 
                             - Half is the majority and it is unlikely we will get National Health  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 01:30 PM   #62 
                             - That Is Indeed The Point, Ms. Gimel  The Magistrate   Aug-22-04 11:04 PM   #65 
     - The Arab League  Gimel   Aug-21-04 01:34 PM   #23 
        - Since you consider the West Bank Israel as stated in another post  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 04:16 PM   #29 
        - I don't  Gimel   Aug-22-04 04:44 AM   #47 
           - Even your ally Benny Morris admits the land was inhabited by Arabs  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 10:42 AM   #50 
        - The Arab Summit stipulated nothing of the sort...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-04 10:01 PM   #34 
        - There was a partition plan  Gimel   Aug-21-04 10:58 PM   #35 
        - Refugees from war ARE automatically given right of return...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-04 11:26 PM   #36 
           - Property loss  Gimel   Aug-21-04 11:31 PM   # 
           - Wrong...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 12:08 AM   #39 
           - Right of return  Gimel   Aug-22-04 02:21 AM   #42 
              - What a load of horsedung...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 03:08 AM   #43 
                 - Apparently yr confusion will continue  Gimel   Aug-22-04 03:31 AM   #44 
                    - Okay, I am confused now...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 03:58 AM   #45 
                       - The 4 million plus  Gimel   Aug-22-04 04:38 AM   #46 
                          - Yr right. It doesn't matter...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 08:18 AM   #48 
                             - I'm well aware of your opinion  Gimel   Aug-22-04 11:00 AM   #51 
                                - It's true Israel is like the American South under Jim Crow.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 11:20 AM   #55 
                                   - Not true  Gimel   Aug-22-04 12:49 PM   #57 
                                      - They don't have the beginnings of a state  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 01:09 PM   #59 
                                         - Your concern is shared  Gimel   Aug-22-04 01:24 PM   #61 
                                         - Israel had long periods in 90s with very little terrorism and it  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 01:34 PM   #63 
                                         - They thought that  Gimel   Aug-22-04 10:48 PM   #64 
        - A Couple Of Comments On This, Ms. Crumble  The Magistrate   Aug-22-04 11:41 PM   #66 
           - Resolution 194...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-23-04 12:16 AM   #67 
           - Here's an alternative interpretation of Res.194...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-23-04 07:55 AM   #68 
              - You Raise An Important Point Here, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Aug-23-04 11:38 PM   #70 
                 - I think I also made a bit of a mistake in my post...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-24-04 08:12 AM   #71 
        - umm how does that logic work  Djinn   Aug-24-04 08:56 PM   #73 
  - Exactly.  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 10:28 AM   #12 
  - I am not that hopeful Kerry will be a change. He is upping the funding of  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 12:21 PM   #15 
     - What does that have to do with Israel? n/t  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 01:01 PM   #18 
        - Those two countries are neoconservative pet causes as well  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 01:07 PM   #20 
           - John Kerry is not a goddamn neocon.  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 01:21 PM   #22 
              - You're responce is not rational either.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 03:58 PM   #27 
                 - "As a matter of fact?" By definition a false statement.  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 06:28 PM   #30 
                    - Oh I see, you still can't back up you assertions.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 06:38 PM   #31 
                       - It's not worth the time to explain the obvious to the unwilling to listen.  geek tragedy   Aug-21-04 06:52 PM   #32 
                          - 1)NED was founded by the neocons  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 09:11 PM   #33 
                             - Whoa! I'm going to disagree here...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 12:36 AM   #41 
                                - I already acknowledged his support for multilateralism is a sign of  Classical_Liberal   Aug-22-04 10:34 AM   #49 
  - International law  Gimel   Aug-21-04 11:39 PM   #38 
     - And?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-22-04 12:23 AM   #40 
        - US foreign policy did not start with Bush  Gimel   Aug-22-04 11:06 AM   #52 
  - Bull. Israel's policy and my governments support of it creates problems  Classical_Liberal   Aug-21-04 12:14 PM   #13 
  - thats right  Djinn   Aug-24-04 08:51 PM   #72 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-21-04 11:31 PM   #37 

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