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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:24 PM
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9. I don't think it's all that weak...
After all, the US installed the Shah in Iran, and props up undemocratic regimes. It's those sort of things that help foster fundamentalism and help the message the fundies send to citizens of those countries more palatable. Likewise, the US hands these regimes the distraction tool they use to focus anger on the lack of US concern over human rights violations and violation of international law by Israel in the Occupied Territories. Remove those causes and chances are that the people in those countries are going to turn their attention on their corrupt rulers, which is exactly what those rulers don't want to happen...

btw, from what I've read, Jordan is a democracy. Not an advanced Western-style democracy, but it's definately been undergoing democratic reform, which is a thing some people posting here will hotly debate. I think the problem isn't so much whether or not democracies will emerge, but whether or not those democracies will become pawns of the US in the region, or whether they'll actually reflect the views of the population...




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  -Would Arab-Israeli peace reduce terrorism? KevinJ  May-09-04 12:25 PM   #0 
  - This thread will self destruct in 5 seconds....  drdon326   May-09-04 12:29 PM   #1 
  - it would be a start  rchsod   May-09-04 12:44 PM   #2 
  - Ridiculous idea, of course not.  bemildred   May-09-04 04:41 PM   #3 
  - Sarcasm, I hope? (nt)  JohnLocke   May-09-04 09:16 PM   #12 
     - Surely you know me well enough by now? nt  bemildred   May-09-04 10:31 PM   #16 
  - Probably. n/t  Darranar   May-09-04 04:57 PM   #4 
  - I'm not sure I agree with this.  JohnLocke   May-09-04 07:37 PM   #5 
  - So what's the full story?  Violet_Crumble   May-09-04 07:39 PM   #6 
  - The blame is not entirely on the U.S. for oppressive Arab leaders.  JohnLocke   May-09-04 07:45 PM   #7 
     - Yeah, I thought this was the weak part of the theory too  KevinJ   May-09-04 08:11 PM   #8 
        - I don't think it's all that weak...  Violet_Crumble   May-09-04 08:24 PM   #9 
        - Don't forget,  newyorican   May-09-04 11:04 PM   #18 
        - It isn't in Israel's interest to have more democracy in the middle east  Classical_Liberal   May-09-04 09:34 PM   #14 
           - Not so sure about that  KevinJ   May-10-04 10:48 AM   #19 
              - When you talk about Israel's interests...  Violet_Crumble   May-11-04 08:02 AM   #20 
              - Oooh, toughie!  KevinJ   May-11-04 10:59 AM   #21 
              - Well, I suppose that is theoretically possible  elsaamo   May-12-04 01:48 AM   #24 
              - You don't get it. Israel(Likud) needs governments in other middle  Classical_Liberal   May-12-04 03:17 AM   #25 
                 - OTOH  Gimel   May-12-04 12:51 PM   #27 
                    - Hmmm, interesting  KevinJ   May-12-04 01:55 PM   #28 
                    - 100% behind that  Gimel   May-13-04 12:01 AM   #32 
                    - Israel has it's thumb on the Palestinians and governs them already  Classical_Liberal   May-12-04 11:36 PM   #31 
  - True, it's not the full story...  Darranar   May-09-04 08:53 PM   #10 
     - I actually think the US has more to do with it then Israel.  JohnLocke   May-09-04 09:11 PM   #11 
        - Well, I certainly agree that the US has more to do with it...  Darranar   May-09-04 09:25 PM   #13 
  - I don't think America can ever be evenhanded in the middle  Classical_Liberal   May-09-04 09:35 PM   #15 
     - The US is not interested in being "evenhanded in the middle".  bemildred   May-09-04 10:38 PM   #17 
        - Sharon's days are numbered.  Cusp   May-11-04 11:17 PM   #22 
           - Welcome to DU, Cusp!  KevinJ   May-11-04 11:43 PM   #23 
           - "He (Sharon) has done great things for Israel's security".  bemildred   May-12-04 09:48 AM   #26 
              - Sharon's successor  Cusp   May-12-04 05:01 PM   #29 
                 - A reasonable position, he was my first thought too.  bemildred   May-12-04 05:28 PM   #30 
 

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