Violet_Crumble
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Sun May-09-04 08:24 PM
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| 9. I don't think it's all that weak... |
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After all, the US installed the Shah in Iran, and props up undemocratic regimes. It's those sort of things that help foster fundamentalism and help the message the fundies send to citizens of those countries more palatable. Likewise, the US hands these regimes the distraction tool they use to focus anger on the lack of US concern over human rights violations and violation of international law by Israel in the Occupied Territories. Remove those causes and chances are that the people in those countries are going to turn their attention on their corrupt rulers, which is exactly what those rulers don't want to happen...
btw, from what I've read, Jordan is a democracy. Not an advanced Western-style democracy, but it's definately been undergoing democratic reform, which is a thing some people posting here will hotly debate. I think the problem isn't so much whether or not democracies will emerge, but whether or not those democracies will become pawns of the US in the region, or whether they'll actually reflect the views of the population...
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| -Would Arab-Israeli peace reduce terrorism? |
KevinJ |
May-09-04 12:25 PM |
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This thread will self destruct in 5 seconds.... |
drdon326 |
May-09-04 12:29 PM |
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it would be a start |
rchsod |
May-09-04 12:44 PM |
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Ridiculous idea, of course not. |
bemildred |
May-09-04 04:41 PM |
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Sarcasm, I hope? (nt) |
JohnLocke |
May-09-04 09:16 PM |
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Surely you know me well enough by now? nt |
bemildred |
May-09-04 10:31 PM |
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Probably. n/t |
Darranar |
May-09-04 04:57 PM |
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I'm not sure I agree with this. |
JohnLocke |
May-09-04 07:37 PM |
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So what's the full story? |
Violet_Crumble |
May-09-04 07:39 PM |
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The blame is not entirely on the U.S. for oppressive Arab leaders. |
JohnLocke |
May-09-04 07:45 PM |
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Yeah, I thought this was the weak part of the theory too |
KevinJ |
May-09-04 08:11 PM |
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I don't think it's all that weak... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-09-04 08:24 PM |
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Don't forget, |
newyorican |
May-09-04 11:04 PM |
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It isn't in Israel's interest to have more democracy in the middle east |
Classical_Liberal |
May-09-04 09:34 PM |
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Not so sure about that |
KevinJ |
May-10-04 10:48 AM |
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When you talk about Israel's interests... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-11-04 08:02 AM |
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Oooh, toughie! |
KevinJ |
May-11-04 10:59 AM |
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Well, I suppose that is theoretically possible |
elsaamo |
May-12-04 01:48 AM |
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You don't get it. Israel(Likud) needs governments in other middle |
Classical_Liberal |
May-12-04 03:17 AM |
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OTOH |
Gimel |
May-12-04 12:51 PM |
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Hmmm, interesting |
KevinJ |
May-12-04 01:55 PM |
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100% behind that |
Gimel |
May-13-04 12:01 AM |
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Israel has it's thumb on the Palestinians and governs them already |
Classical_Liberal |
May-12-04 11:36 PM |
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True, it's not the full story... |
Darranar |
May-09-04 08:53 PM |
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I actually think the US has more to do with it then Israel. |
JohnLocke |
May-09-04 09:11 PM |
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Well, I certainly agree that the US has more to do with it... |
Darranar |
May-09-04 09:25 PM |
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I don't think America can ever be evenhanded in the middle |
Classical_Liberal |
May-09-04 09:35 PM |
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The US is not interested in being "evenhanded in the middle". |
bemildred |
May-09-04 10:38 PM |
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Sharon's days are numbered. |
Cusp |
May-11-04 11:17 PM |
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Welcome to DU, Cusp! |
KevinJ |
May-11-04 11:43 PM |
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"He (Sharon) has done great things for Israel's security". |
bemildred |
May-12-04 09:48 AM |
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Sharon's successor |
Cusp |
May-12-04 05:01 PM |
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A reasonable position, he was my first thought too. |
bemildred |
May-12-04 05:28 PM |
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