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Direckshun Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:10 AM
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12. Tinoire

If we cut off all aid to Isreal, ESPECIALLY military aid, the country will be wiped out. Or at least engaged in a perpetual state of violent self-defense.

The country is surrounded by nothing but enemies who, for centuries, have fought, killed, and terrorized for its land for political and religious reasons. If we allow the terrorists and other enemies to do this, we might as well say "we give up - you win!" Indeed, we almost have as much at stake in Israel as the country's innocent civilians do.

European countries and the EU hate Israel for illogical reasons. Recently the EU claimed Israel was the "greatest threat to world peace," even though Israel has never launched an attack outside of its own borders. These European countries compose much of the UN, and if we agree with the UN's stances regarding Israel, we too are falling prey to senseless racism.

Israel is very much at fault for much of the violence coming about. But I for one don't blame them for acting drastically. Over the history of the world the people of this land have been destroyed, killed, and persecuted. Today, their country is surrounded by enemies. And now Muslims within their own borders want to carve Israel's land up. They're desperate, and are acting like it.

Israel isn't completely innocent in all this, and neither are we, but they still deserve our support.
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  -Correct Democratic position on Israel/Palestine please. cindyw  Apr-19-04 12:45 AM   #0 
  - support for Israel is tantamount to support for Apartheid South Africa  tinanator   Apr-19-04 12:53 AM   #1 
  - yep dems shouldnt support a racist apartheid statelike israel  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 01:01 AM   #5 
  - that sums it up pretty well  mmm   Apr-19-04 01:30 AM   #8 
  - With a slight change in phrasing, I completely agree.  blondeatlast   Apr-19-04 07:50 AM   #17 
  - You don't believe that there should be...  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 08:05 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-19-04 09:38 AM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-19-04 11:36 AM   #43 
     - Nazis were into genocide. Apartied, Jim Crow are appropriate  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:47 AM   #46 
     - Your ignorance regarding Zionism...  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 01:34 PM   #58 
  - I believe there should be two states. Jewish and Palestinian  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:38 AM   #44 
  - I Have A Major Problems With Sharon's Ham Handed Policies  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 09:59 AM   #28 
     - i think Tutu is a better judge of what a racist apartheid state is  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 11:28 AM   #41 
     - A better judge of what's good for Jews?  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 12:37 PM   #48 
        - I trust his judgement more than Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 12:40 PM   #50 
        - I wouldn't trust Robertson or Falwell..  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 12:59 PM   #52 
           - Tutu is speaking up for the oppressed class on this issue  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 01:18 PM   #57 
           - i might listen to him  MAlibdem   Apr-19-04 01:45 PM   #59 
              - If the ANC had done that it wouldn't justify aparthied.  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:39 PM   #69 
           - If they do, I'll be less sympathetic  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:38 PM   #68 
        - He's a better judge of what's apartheid...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-20-04 06:37 AM   #79 
           - This is absurd  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 09:56 AM   #89 
     - Sharon's plan means no two states  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:39 AM   #45 
        - That's why it's important...  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 12:39 PM   #49 
           - I never said they were?  Classical_Liberal   Apr-20-04 12:27 AM   #74 
  - Muslims like Kerry's ME views than most Democratic candidates  George_Bonanza   Apr-19-04 12:54 AM   #2 
  - How would you address it?  freetobegay   Apr-19-04 12:54 AM   #3 
  - well nelson mandela and desmond tutu have said that israel  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 01:00 AM   #4 
  - We make fun of the Freepers for Toby Keith . . .  theboss   Apr-19-04 02:09 PM   #63 
  - Tutu might call for it, but U.S. law makes it illegal  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-20-04 06:49 AM   #80 
  - You ALWAYS follow their lead?  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 09:58 AM   #90 
  - the correct position  Sorry.   Apr-19-04 01:11 AM   #6 
  - There isn't one  jfxgillis   Apr-19-04 01:17 AM   #7 
  - Not a fucking thing we can do about it? Surely you jest  Tinoire   Apr-19-04 02:01 AM   #9 
  - Tinoire  Direckshun   Apr-19-04 04:10 AM   #12 
  - Bullshit  ludwigb   Apr-19-04 05:34 AM   #15 
  - ludwigb  Direckshun   Apr-19-04 02:28 PM   #65 
     - Have you read the actual poll?  tinnypriv   Apr-20-04 05:15 AM   #78 
  - Israel is not completely dependent on America for defense  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 06:22 AM   #16 
  - Classical_Liberal  Direckshun   Apr-19-04 02:32 PM   #66 
     - Why do I have to support their land theft to support them?  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:43 PM   #70 
     - Now THAT is a joke  no name no slogan   Apr-20-04 12:41 AM   #76 
  - "I, for one, don't blame them for acting drastically."  blondeatlast   Apr-19-04 08:01 AM   #18 
  - blondeatlast  Direckshun   Apr-19-04 02:36 PM   #67 
  - The question is what should that support look like?  BurtWorm   Apr-19-04 11:17 AM   #39 
  - No attacks ouside its own borders?  KuroKensaki   Apr-20-04 04:49 PM   #84 
     - Yeah, but  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 10:01 AM   #91 
  - Nope. Won't work  jfxgillis   Apr-19-04 09:18 AM   #22 
  - Well, if it gets tiresome now,  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 10:05 AM   #92 
  - Desmond Tutu says we can divest from israel  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 03:22 AM   #11 
     - Desmond Tutu is a frickin' idiot. n/t  jfxgillis   Apr-19-04 09:13 AM   #21 
     - goodness what are you?  tinanator   Apr-19-04 09:40 AM   #25 
     - lol  Forkboy   Apr-20-04 07:28 PM   #86 
     - I Respect Desmond Tutu's Tireless Work Against Apartheid  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 09:50 AM   #27 
        - Is that Kerryspeak?  tinanator   Apr-19-04 10:01 AM   #29 
        - Apartheid Was Legal Separation Of The Races  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 10:09 AM   #30 
           - totally unsupportable  tinanator   Apr-19-04 10:26 AM   #31 
           - By Legal Separation I Was Referring To It's Codification In South African  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 11:33 AM   #42 
           - So if the archetects of aparthied had given 10% of the blacks  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 10:33 AM   #34 
           - The Palestininians are not in Israel  theboss   Apr-19-04 02:05 PM   #61 
              - Ever heard of Bantustan?  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:47 PM   #71 
           - i think Tutu and Mandela know what apartheid is and isnt  corporatewhore   Apr-19-04 11:24 AM   #40 
              - Yet again, true, but not the point  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 10:09 AM   #93 
        - Oh but you'll give Sharon a pass?  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 10:29 AM   #32 
           - no he called him "ham handed"  tinanator   Apr-19-04 10:31 AM   #33 
  - Until Shrub was selected  Leilani   Apr-19-04 02:01 AM   #10 
  - Leilani  Direckshun   Apr-19-04 04:14 AM   #13 
  - I really don't believe that we have been evenhanded in the past  tishaLA   Apr-19-04 04:38 AM   #14 
  - It has not really been THAT even-handed  no name no slogan   Apr-20-04 12:59 AM   #77 
  - For the record,  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 10:11 AM   #94 
  - This is the kind of critique of Kerry that furthers our goals--  blondeatlast   Apr-19-04 08:06 AM   #20 
  - Kerry should support Israel  MAlibdem   Apr-19-04 09:21 AM   #23 
  - please  tinanator   Apr-19-04 09:45 AM   #26 
  - America should not support racist settlements.  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 10:35 AM   #35 
  - The "correct" position-  CWebster   Apr-19-04 10:36 AM   #36 
  - Here is what the Democratic Party's Platform says about it  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-19-04 10:40 AM   #37 
  - We should take Jimmy Carter's or Bill Clinton's approach  DaveSZ   Apr-19-04 11:11 AM   #38 
  - We are screwed then  sampsonblk   Apr-19-04 11:52 AM   #47 
  - we can greatly reduce anti-American terrorism  ZombyWoof   Apr-19-04 12:42 PM   #51 
  - OBL Said He Won't Be Satisfied Until America Is Off All Arab Lands  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 01:04 PM   #53 
  - no leaving saudi arabia was  tinanator   Apr-19-04 01:07 PM   #54 
     - We Closed Some Bases Is Saudi Arabia And Occupied An Entire  DemocratSinceBirth   Apr-19-04 01:11 PM   #55 
        - and that WAS a down payment  tinanator   Apr-19-04 02:20 PM   #64 
  - What does "cut off ALL ties to Israel" mean?  Cassandra   Apr-19-04 01:54 PM   #60 
  - Two comments re aid to Israel and Sharon:  Ron_GreensboroNC   Apr-19-04 01:13 PM   #56 
  - It will cause less harm to my country's image  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:55 PM   #73 
  - I think the platform is correct  theboss   Apr-19-04 02:08 PM   #62 
  - This is primarily because of the same sort of spin and  Classical_Liberal   Apr-19-04 11:51 PM   #72 
  - The problem is what is just for both sides?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-20-04 06:52 AM   #81 
  - Wait a minute...  Juansmith   Apr-20-04 12:31 AM   #75 
  - Locking  Lithos   Apr-20-04 07:55 AM   #82 
  - Unlocking  Lithos   Apr-20-04 04:30 PM   #83 
  - Well, Clinton was quoted as being in favor of Sharon's disengagement plan  FOM   Apr-20-04 06:12 PM   #85 
  - I only see approval of the Gaza part.  Classical_Liberal   Apr-21-04 01:30 AM   #88 
     - See Also Today's Daily Star - not re: Clinton, but acceptance of the dis  FOM   Apr-21-04 01:18 PM   #96 
     - Also, the article says Clinton Approved of the Dis-eng plan  FOM   Apr-21-04 01:32 PM   #97 
  - re: "Correct Democratic position on Israel/Palestine please."  A Brick Wall   Apr-20-04 08:59 PM   #87 
     - Prime Directive?  elsaamo   Apr-21-04 10:15 AM   #95 

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