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Fri Dec-26-03 11:42 AM
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When I moderated this forum and enforced rules against making loose use of loaded words like Zionism, I suggested that an acceptable definition was: The belief in the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish state as a positive goal. Benny Elon is a Zionist. So is Uri Avnery.
Again, this can be consistent with democracy only in an area where Jews are a majority, preferably a large majority. For whatever reason they came about -- you and Mr. Galos can dispute it until the cows come home -- the conditions under which a state that is at once Jewish and democratic exist within Israel's recognized borders, the Green Line; were Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza (or merely claim that those territories are in "integral part of Israel" and begin treating them as such), those conditions would cease to exist. Either Israel would become a bi-national democracy (not a Jewish state) or would have to undertake repressive measures against Arab residents of the land that contradict democratic principles and would be met with wide, popular resistance.
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drdon326 |
Dec-18-03 05:47 AM |
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Jpost should sometimes look itself |
bluesoul |
Dec-18-03 05:49 AM |
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bluesoul... |
drdon326 |
Dec-18-03 05:53 AM |
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Too generalizing |
bluesoul |
Dec-18-03 05:56 AM |
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uhhhh...... |
drdon326 |
Dec-18-03 05:58 AM |
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Duh |
bluesoul |
Dec-18-03 06:07 AM |
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The writer |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 01:26 AM |
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Very interesting article ... |
Blitz |
Dec-25-03 06:38 AM |
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2 interesting sentences from the article: |
Cry Freedom |
Dec-25-03 12:23 PM |
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Drop the word Arab from the title |
Forkboy |
Dec-25-03 12:26 PM |
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or .... |
number6 |
Dec-26-03 02:11 PM |
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One problem Arab liberals have |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 10:08 AM |
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Some have no problem in supporting |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 10:11 AM |
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Actually, I believe Mr. Galos has a good point here |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-26-03 11:06 AM |
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What is then Zionism? |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 11:12 AM |
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Zionism is very different than Islamism |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 11:22 AM |
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Zionism |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-26-03 11:42 AM |
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I'd agree |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 11:52 AM |
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There will be no peace |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 11:56 AM |
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So you advocate war as opposed to UN Security Council Resolution 242 |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 12:08 PM |
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What's sad is you insisting on Israel |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 12:12 PM |
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Care to say why? |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 12:17 PM |
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So you're telling me that Gaza, West Bank and the rest of the OT |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 12:19 PM |
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No |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 12:25 PM |
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I am very suprised too |
number6 |
Dec-26-03 02:20 PM |
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Perhaps you could read post #39 |
MikeGalos |
Dec-27-03 02:28 PM |
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ok I read it, read the thread again |
number6 |
Dec-28-03 09:03 PM |
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btw: here's a map of the British Mandate of Palestine |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 12:16 PM |
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The British Mandate is of little relevance today |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-26-03 01:07 PM |
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It hardly shows how Jordan isn't Palestine |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 01:26 PM |
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Interesting |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-26-03 04:04 PM |
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Let's look at that claim |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 04:31 PM |
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Dec-26-03 04:33 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Dec-26-03 04:45 PM |
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Israelis already have their country |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 04:52 PM |
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Where do you keep dreaming up this WW2 thing? |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 05:02 PM |
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Whatever |
bluesoul |
Dec-26-03 05:05 PM |
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Here's an analogy to make it simple for you |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 05:23 PM |
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An updated analogy |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 01:04 AM |
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The British plan for Mandated Palestine was not implemented |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-26-03 05:18 PM |
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Let's say that it was plan #1 |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 08:21 AM |
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Here's an article on Resolution 242 for you to read, Mike... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 08:38 PM |
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No thanks - I take my history raw not rewritten |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 08:44 PM |
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How about reading it before commenting on it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 08:49 PM |
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Gee, it was long, it was PDF, it was silly. What did I miss? |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 08:55 PM |
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What you missed... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:01 PM |
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I gave it what it was worth |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 09:06 PM |
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How would you know as you didn't read it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:13 PM |
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I've read it now and my comments stand |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 09:19 PM |
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Okay, so you've read it now... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:23 PM |
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I didn't say it lied |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 09:33 PM |
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Yes, you did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:44 PM |
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Dec-26-03 09:47 PM |
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Yr the one who claimed there were lies in the article... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:50 PM |
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Sorry, bad wording |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 10:26 PM |
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Mike, you keep on claiming this article cites weak essays... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 11:01 PM |
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On further reading |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 09:17 PM |
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The documents cited DON'T agree with things you've said... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:28 PM |
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Nonsense |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 09:34 PM |
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Mike... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 09:47 PM |
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I've already posted that |
MikeGalos |
Dec-26-03 10:25 PM |
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Sorry, but you haven't... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-26-03 11:09 PM |
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Thank you for posting, Violet |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 12:51 PM |
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Here, I'll make it simple for you |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 01:49 PM |
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No, it isn't |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 02:47 PM |
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So we agree |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 05:10 PM |
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Okay, I'll go with that |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 05:59 PM |
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In what possible way |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 06:35 PM |
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It Is An Occupation, Mr. Galos |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 06:59 PM |
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Ah Magistrate |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 07:11 PM |
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Well, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 07:37 PM |
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As usual, well thought out |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 09:04 PM |
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My Closing Sentence, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 09:15 PM |
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Two points |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 09:21 PM |
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Happy to share, Jack... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-29-03 04:57 AM |
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Thanks |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 06:50 AM |
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And state |
bluesoul |
Dec-28-03 06:51 AM |
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If you mean |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 07:50 AM |
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It really doesn't matter |
ClaraLemlich |
Dec-28-03 08:27 AM |
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Not entirely true |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 08:34 AM |
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Link |
ClaraLemlich |
Dec-28-03 08:38 AM |
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Not in the bios |
Gimel |
Dec-28-03 10:55 AM |
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You're welcome |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 01:17 PM |
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Funny how quickly |
MikeGalos |
Dec-27-03 06:05 PM |
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What about it would you like to discuss? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-29-03 05:11 AM |
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This is much more common than people want to admit |
_Jumper_ |
Dec-26-03 02:04 PM |
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so, you know whats going on in my local mosque... |
number6 |
Dec-26-03 02:25 PM |
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Do you attend a black mosque? |
_Jumper_ |
Dec-26-03 02:56 PM |
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so only black mosques are ok then ... |
number6 |
Dec-26-03 03:17 PM |
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Dec-28-03 07:29 PM |
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This Is Romantic Nonsense, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 07:51 PM |
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Dec-28-03 08:09 PM |
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It Is Most Fun When They Wriggle, Dear |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 08:17 PM |
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Dec-28-03 08:19 PM |
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Having read your posts |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 08:27 PM |
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Rabbit |
Saudade |
Dec-28-03 08:28 PM |
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I can't say those words |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 08:31 PM |
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They Do Not Often Manage To Make Me Laugh Out Loud, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 08:36 PM |
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Bravo |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 09:07 PM |
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Doubtful |
Saudade |
Dec-28-03 08:35 PM |
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Jack ??? An apologist for colonialism?? |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 08:39 PM |
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Never Travel Without A Tour Guide, Dear |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 08:39 PM |
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Patronizing |
Saudade |
Dec-28-03 08:50 PM |
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A question for you, Saudade... |
Darranar |
Dec-28-03 08:56 PM |
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You Need To Be Able To Suss Things Out Quickly And Reliably, Dear |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 08:59 PM |
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Why do you keep calling him 'dear'? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-28-03 09:02 PM |
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The Fellow Earned It Fair And Square, Violet |
The Magistrate |
Dec-28-03 09:05 PM |
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I didn't ask if they earnt it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-28-03 09:12 PM |
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So I quess... |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 09:01 PM |
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Me? An apologist for colonialism? |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 08:41 PM |
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jack.... |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 08:44 PM |
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Hey Jack |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 09:08 PM |
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Gee, thanks |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 09:11 PM |
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Yeah... |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 09:12 PM |
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Hey |
MikeGalos |
Dec-28-03 09:16 PM |
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I KNEW IT !! |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 09:19 PM |
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I am not a colonialist |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-28-03 09:31 PM |
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Hmmm |
Lithos |
Dec-28-03 09:44 PM |
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I suggest... |
Darranar |
Dec-28-03 08:43 PM |
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Saudade....you still there?? n/t |
drdon326 |
Dec-28-03 09:29 PM |
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