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'Jew-hate stems from conflict'
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US ambassador in Belgium provides controversial explanation for Muslim anti-Semitism,7340,L-4156355,


"Growing global anti-Semitism is linked to Israels policy towards the Palestinians, the American ambassador to Belgium told stunned Jewish conference attendants in Brussels earlier this week.

Speaking Wednesday at a Jewish conference on anti-Semitism organized by the European Jewish Union (EJU,) Howard Gutman told participants he was apologizing in advance if his words are not to their liking. He then proceeded to make controversial statements about his views on Muslim anti-Semitism, Yedioth Ahronoth reported Friday.

A distinction should be made between traditional anti-Semitism, which should be condemned and Muslim hatred for Jews, which stems from the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, Gutman said. He also argued that an Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty will significantly diminish Muslim anti-Semitism.

The American envoy, a lawyer by training, is Jewish and played a major role in fundraising for the Democratic Party. He was appointed to the post by President Barack Obama."
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  - 'Jew-hate stems from conflict' Scurrilous  Dec-04-11 01:13 AM   #0 
  - Pasture pastry. Meadow muffins. Barn buns. Tundra teacakes.  aquart   Dec-04-11 01:39 AM   #1 
  - From what I know, there's no death of scholarship on this  RZM   Dec-04-11 01:41 AM   #2 
  - Very true  LeftishBrit   Dec-04-11 08:45 AM   #8 
  - I know quite a few that agree with this.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 03:52 AM   #3 
  - No kidding  King_David   Dec-04-11 07:32 AM   #6 
     - Anti-Israelism isn't anti-semitism. That's my point. So long as  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 10:15 AM   #11 
        - Here's a problem with that  RZM   Dec-04-11 12:27 PM   #14 
        - It seems we are agreeing, so why do you agree in such an argumentative way?  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 12:37 PM   #16 
           - I certainly wasn't trying to come across like that  RZM   Dec-04-11 12:46 PM   #18 
              - All is good. The typewritten word loses so much without personal  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 07:12 PM   #23 
        - Anti-Israelism?  oberliner   Dec-04-11 12:41 PM   #17 
        - It is a new 'code' word nt  King_David   Dec-04-11 02:11 PM   #20 
        - No. The new code word is that disliking Israeli policy is the same as hating jews.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 07:27 PM   #25 
           - Israel is The Jewish State  King_David   Dec-04-11 07:42 PM   #27 
           - But not all Jews are Israeli and that's one of my points. Furthermore, not all Israeli Jews  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 09:07 PM   #29 
              - Lionessa : ... ''is one of the other reasons I hate Israel ''  King_David   Dec-04-11 09:56 PM   #31 
              - So I don't like theocracies, sue me.  Lionessa   Dec-05-11 02:03 PM   #41 
                 - Israel is not a theocracy  oberliner   Dec-06-11 03:02 AM   #42 
              - Do you hate Italy too?  Shaktimaan   Dec-05-11 01:42 AM   #34 
              - Israel is not 'intended for one kind and one kind only'  LeftishBrit   Dec-05-11 06:17 AM   #39 
           - Of course disliking Israeli policy isn't hating Jews  LeftishBrit   Dec-05-11 06:07 AM   #38 
        - It means my disagreement and anger are at a country not an ethnic or religious group.  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 07:18 PM   #24 
           - Is it fair to say that there are many countries with whom you disagree and feel anger?  oberliner   Dec-04-11 07:36 PM   #26 
           - Israel is the topic here. You can google any other posts of mine  Lionessa   Dec-04-11 09:03 PM   #28 
           - Is there anything Israel can do that would make you stop supporting anti-Israelism?  oberliner   Dec-04-11 09:50 PM   #30 
              - Left and right in other countries doesn't mean the same thing necessarily as here.  Lionessa   Dec-05-11 06:00 AM   #36 
                 - Like what policies?  oberliner   Dec-05-11 12:32 PM   #40 
                 - wow.  Shaktimaan   Dec-06-11 04:31 AM   #43 
           - She says : Lionessa : ''I hate Israel ''  King_David   Dec-04-11 10:02 PM   #32 
              - Same as saying "I hate America" but not "Americans" as is said about us all the time  Lionessa   Dec-05-11 06:02 AM   #37 
           - double post  Shaktimaan   Dec-05-11 01:36 AM   #33 
        - Israel and the Apartheid Slander  King_David   Dec-04-11 02:10 PM   #19 
  - White House distances itself from U.S. ambassador to Belgium following shocking comments  oberliner   Dec-04-11 04:40 AM   #4 
  - As it should. Imagine this guy saying anti-Arab hate is based on Mideast policies. n/t  shira   Dec-04-11 06:30 PM   #22 
  - What a load of shit  King_David   Dec-04-11 07:22 AM   #5 
  - He has since made a statement  oberliner   Dec-04-11 08:52 AM   #9 
     - Yes I think so  King_David   Dec-04-11 09:45 AM   #10 
  - No; Jew-hatred long predated the state of Israel...  LeftishBrit   Dec-04-11 08:44 AM   #7 
  - Muslim anti-Semitism, Israel and the dynamics of self-destructive scapegoating  shira   Dec-04-11 10:17 AM   #12 
  - You're probably aware of this book already  RZM   Dec-04-11 12:29 PM   #15 
  - Tsk. nt  bemildred   Dec-04-11 10:54 AM   #13 
  - How does the Damascus  eyl   Dec-04-11 02:22 PM   #21 
  - I wonder if he also believes...  Shaktimaan   Dec-05-11 02:01 AM   #35 

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