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Response to Reply #222
223. Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to...
The Resolution very clearly states that Israel must remove its military from territory it occupies. What bit of that didn't you grasp?

Yes, those who support the occupation tend to trot out the morality like without realising that their own view of morality is extremely skewed.

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  -The Liberal Case for Israel oberliner  Nov-29-11 04:51 AM   #0 
  - That's quite a silly article, imo...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-29-11 05:09 AM   #1 
  - I did not think it 'silly' at all. nt  King_David   Nov-29-11 07:47 AM   #4 
  - The US isn't really attacked on the same existential level as Israel  oberliner   Nov-29-11 09:02 AM   #5 
  - There are many differences between the US and Israel  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 09:16 AM   #6 
  - Each of your statements is demonstrably false  oberliner   Nov-29-11 09:42 AM   #8 
  - I am overwhelmed by the force of the evidence you cite.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 10:08 AM   #12 
  - You think?  Shaktimaan   Nov-29-11 08:51 PM   #62 
     - Yes, I think.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 09:25 PM   #64 
        - So were you talking about the west bank or Palestine (Israel) in general?  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 01:59 AM   #67 
        - By that logic, just about every country is "staying" in every other country...  shaayecanaan   Nov-30-11 02:56 AM   #69 
           - not really.  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 09:34 AM   #100 
              - The difference between a military base and a hostile occupation...  shaayecanaan   Dec-01-11 01:39 AM   #139 
        - according to historian benny morris  sabbat hunter   Dec-10-11 09:15 AM   #302 
  - That is a pathetic non-response (nt)  shaayecanaan   Nov-29-11 11:53 AM   #19 
     - Do you agree with Donald's points? n/t  shira   Nov-29-11 02:28 PM   #22 
  - Donald, when you argue from a viewpoint that denies Israel's very legitimacy, why do you believe...  shira   Nov-29-11 02:49 PM   #25 
  - Oh, Shira, are you ever going to stop telling deliberate, knowing lies?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 07:20 PM   #51 
     - You don't believe Jews have any right to self-determination...  shira   Nov-29-11 07:25 PM   #53 
        - For the love of all that's holy, please stop lying about what I believe!  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 08:50 PM   #61 
           - You just wrote "I don't believe that *the* Jews have any right to self-determination qua Jews"  shira   Nov-30-11 03:06 AM   #70 
              - No, I'm unenthusiastic about the Palestinian's *national* self-determination.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-30-11 08:05 AM   #97 
              - so your justifying the creation of a dictatorship...  pelsar   Nov-30-11 10:15 AM   #101 
              - Do you acknowledge that Israel does not grant Palestinians the right you describe?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-30-11 08:08 AM   #98 
                 - Palestinians within Israel are guaranteed those rights by law. One great thing about Israel...  shira   Nov-30-11 11:58 AM   #105 
                 - Ooh, there's a nice sidestep.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-01-11 11:17 AM   #153 
                    - Of course they have those rights, every bit as much as minorities in the UK and US have those rights  shira   Dec-01-11 11:32 AM   #155 
                 - by law?...of course not  pelsar   Dec-06-11 03:31 PM   #272 
  - By and large, yes  shaayecanaan   Nov-29-11 06:08 PM   #45 
     - Well then WRT Israel vs. the USA, let's see if you agree...  shira   Nov-29-11 08:15 PM   #55 
        - Yes, no, no and yes.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 08:34 PM   #59 
        - Donald, you said let's not deny Israel is right when it's right...  shira   Nov-30-11 03:11 AM   #71 
        - 'doesn't defund schools that don't whitewash the Nakba'  LeftishBrit   Dec-09-11 04:59 PM   #297 
        - You've got to be kidding about US schools  oberliner   Dec-09-11 06:30 PM   #299 
        - Depends on how you pick your cherries...  shaayecanaan   Nov-29-11 11:28 PM   #65 
           - From that post, what can you admit that Israel does right? n/t  shira   Nov-30-11 03:12 AM   #72 
  - While Israel and the US differ markedly, singing their praises can't defend their actions...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 03:14 AM   #73 
     - So what does Israel do right? Name 3-5 things, please. NT  shira   Nov-30-11 04:13 AM   #79 
        - That's easy...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 04:25 AM   #81 
           - Thank you. I must say I'm impressed you could easily admit to those 5 things.  shira   Nov-30-11 04:53 AM   #83 
              - Shame you can't supply a few good things about Palestine...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 04:58 AM   #86 
                 - I gave you one positive. That's one more than you're able to supply.  shira   Nov-30-11 05:41 AM   #89 
                    - I supplied you with a list of five positive things about Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 06:03 AM   #90 
                       - And I supplied you with an answer to your question in post #75, in which you asked for 1-2 things.  shira   Nov-30-11 06:27 AM   #91 
                          - It'd help if you got someone to read the posts yr replying to for you...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 06:36 AM   #92 
                             - IOW, you've got nothing. Thanks. n/t  shira   Nov-30-11 07:51 AM   #95 
  - Israel should be supported and lauded for its good things in opposition to anti-zionists...  shira   Nov-29-11 11:40 AM   #18 
     - Failure to hate evil is immoral  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 07:22 PM   #52 
        - Then the Left is immoral for failing to hate evil Palestinian leadership...  shira   Nov-29-11 07:32 PM   #54 
        - No, you've missed something so obvious I suspect you haven't genuinely missed it at all.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 09:10 PM   #63 
           - How can you not hate Hamas and the PA for their evil treatment of women, children, gays...  shira   Nov-30-11 03:54 AM   #77 
        - just for fun....  pelsar   Nov-30-11 07:44 AM   #93 
        - "With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer,  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-01-11 11:09 AM   #151 
           - i beg to differ..your former doesn't even exist....  pelsar   Dec-03-11 08:07 AM   #221 
              - No, I don't give a damn about tribal identity.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-03-11 10:29 AM   #226 
                 - but you do....  pelsar   Dec-03-11 02:22 PM   #235 
                    - Please stop trying to tell me what I believe; claiming telepathy just makes you look foolish.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-03-11 03:21 PM   #241 
                       - i'm just noting your own contradictions....  pelsar   Dec-05-11 03:35 PM   #256 
        - My pop psychology tells me you hate Zionism for other reasons.  King_David   Nov-30-11 09:54 PM   #123 
           - Really what would they be or does your pop psychology  azurnoir   Nov-30-11 11:38 PM   #131 
           - Donald gets it.  King_David   Dec-01-11 11:24 PM   #179 
           - Of course.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-01-11 11:15 AM   #152 
              - "What gets to me most is...faulty chains of reasoning. That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact".  shira   Dec-01-11 11:51 AM   #156 
              - That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact;  pelsar   Dec-01-11 02:17 PM   #161 
  - ''Liberal'' Case? Horsebleep  USA_1   Nov-29-11 06:21 AM   #2 
  - "Nothing in that racist, terrorist state reflects true liberalism nor can it be defended by way of..  shira   Nov-29-11 11:18 AM   #16 
  - See Beit-Hallahmi  USA_1   Nov-29-11 03:30 PM   #31 
     - You didn't answer me, so once again since Israel is far ahead of the USA on many liberal issues...  shira   Nov-29-11 05:26 PM   #41 
        - USA's Rank in this regard is irrelevant  USA_1   Nov-29-11 08:26 PM   #57 
           - LOL, says "USA_1". Remember that saying about people and glass houses?  shira   Nov-29-11 08:29 PM   #58 
              - Nice Try at Obfuscation  USA_1   Nov-29-11 08:50 PM   #60 
                 - So you concede the USA is far less liberal/progressive than Israel. Thanks for the admission. NT  shira   Nov-30-11 03:36 AM   #76 
                    - Ho Hum  USA_1   Nov-30-11 11:13 AM   #102 
                       - Maybe you don't realize it, but you were the one making the claim that Israel is in no way...  shira   Nov-30-11 12:08 PM   #106 
                          - ''Israel, however, is arguably even more liberal/progressive although you won't admit it''  USA_1   Nov-30-11 07:11 PM   #118 
                             - Gay rights, death penalty, healthcare, more socialist, much more self critical media...  shira   Nov-30-11 08:11 PM   #119 
                             - Majalli Wahabi, filled in as President of Israel for a day or so in early 2007  azurnoir   Nov-30-11 11:31 PM   #130 
                                - The comparison was between the US and Israel. Israel's ahead of the US on everything mentioned.  shira   Dec-01-11 04:40 AM   #141 
                                   - oh well of course Israel is more progressive than almost any country on Earth except.........  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 09:50 AM   #148 
                                      - You didn't answer the question, why? Between the USA and Israel...  shira   Dec-01-11 12:49 PM   #157 
                             - But israel is a single state.  Shaktimaan   Dec-01-11 12:27 AM   #135 
                                - ''two seperate nations''  USA_1   Dec-03-11 01:43 PM   #230 
  - ha!  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 03:26 AM   #74 
  - Einstein did support Zionism  USA_1   Nov-30-11 11:17 AM   #103 
     - So he disliked the Irgun...  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 12:16 PM   #107 
        - Israel's Apologists Are Working Full Time on this Thread  USA_1   Nov-30-11 02:26 PM   #114 
           - yeah, well...  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 02:47 PM   #116 
           - ''You'll likely be gone before the week's out.''  USA_1   Nov-30-11 09:04 PM   #120 
           - I strongly disagree...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-01-11 12:39 AM   #136 
              - The OP isn't about stifling criticism of Israel's occupation, but rather a response...  shira   Dec-01-11 05:03 AM   #143 
              - No, it isn't. He doesn't say that anywhere in the article...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-02-11 06:17 PM   #200 
                 - There's nothing in the OP that hints at stifling criticism due to Israel's progressive nature  shira   Dec-02-11 10:35 PM   #204 
                    - Of course there is. Maybe you should try reading the OP?  Violet_Crumble   Dec-02-11 11:07 PM   #205 
                       - And once again you failed to address the fear Israelis have of pulling out of the WB...  shira   Dec-03-11 05:47 AM   #210 
                          - That'd be because I didn't know that was being demanded of me...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 06:20 AM   #212 
                             - Apparently you don't think much of the vast majority of Israelis terrified of rockets...  shira   Dec-03-11 06:57 AM   #213 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-11 07:17 AM   #214 
                                   - You still can't and won't empathize with the vast majority of Israeli with legit fears...  shira   Dec-03-11 07:37 AM   #215 
                                      - I empathise with them every bit as much as I do with Palestinian fears...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 07:48 AM   #216 
                                         - You do realize UNSCR242 never states the occupation is illegal, right? n/t  shira   Dec-03-11 07:51 AM   #217 
                                            - I don't recall saying it was, so how about focusing on what I actually did say? n/t  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 07:57 AM   #218 
                                            - Since it's not illegal, Israel is legally justified in continuing it.  shira   Dec-03-11 08:00 AM   #219 
                                            - Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 08:06 AM   #220 
                                            - It's a legal occupation that is allowed to last until a just peace is negotiated.  shira   Dec-03-11 08:13 AM   #222 
                                            - Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 08:24 AM   #223 
                                            - You must've missed the part in UNSCR242 which requires withdrawal based on negotiated peace...  shira   Dec-03-11 08:36 AM   #224 
                                            - Yeah, that'd be because it's not there...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 03:38 PM   #242 
                                            - It must be difficult for you keeping your stories straight...  shira   Dec-03-11 05:25 PM   #243 
                                            - Not really. I think it's more yr unable to comprehend simple arguments...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 06:21 PM   #244 
                                            - One thing at a time, about the occupation...  shira   Dec-03-11 06:59 PM   #245 
                                            - That's lovely and all, but you still haven't explained *why* you want the Occupation to end...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-03-11 08:38 PM   #248 
                                            - I want the occupation to end...  shira   Dec-05-11 11:32 AM   #253 
                                            - Someone who held that view wouldn't try arguing that the Occupation was moral...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-05-11 02:02 PM   #254 
                                            - When did I ever say that? I've argued it's legal...  shira   Dec-05-11 02:55 PM   #255 
                                            - Only about twenty or so posts back...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-06-11 04:05 AM   #260 
                                            - Good catch, you're right. But is it more moral to maintain the occupation...  shira   Dec-06-11 06:56 AM   #261 
                                            - There's nothing moral about the Occupation, and no-one who opposed it would claim it was...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-07-11 03:36 AM   #274 
                                            - And there you go deflecting once again...  shira   Dec-07-11 03:48 AM   #275 
                                            - Ah, so pointing out that you admire a blatant Islamophobe is 'deflecting'?  Violet_Crumble   Dec-07-11 04:17 AM   #276 
                                            - Rubin is not an Islamophobe. Read that article again...  shira   Dec-07-11 04:42 AM   #277 
                                            - He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-07-11 04:57 AM   #278 
                                            - No he's not. Anyone with reading comprehension ability can see the problem he's describing...  shira   Dec-07-11 05:34 AM   #279 
                                            - He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-07-11 05:58 AM   #280 
                                            - Why is it so difficult for you to detach yourself from disgusting, vile organizations...  shira   Dec-07-11 06:10 AM   #281 
                                            - Try to focus on what the discussion's about instead of deflecting...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-09-11 12:55 AM   #290 
                                            - Your neo-nazi source is not credible. Reports were a state was offered on 60% of the land.  shira   Dec-09-11 10:57 AM   #294 
                                            - More deflection and evasion from you. No surprises there!  Violet_Crumble   Dec-09-11 04:32 PM   #296 
                                            - If you're really interested in discussing sources, I'm more than happy to do so with you...  shira   Dec-09-11 06:25 PM   #298 
                                            - I've already pointed out in detail Rubin's Islamophobia. Don't need you for that...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-10-11 02:59 PM   #309 
                                            - Nonsense. You went off someone else's cherry picking Rubin out of context...  shira   Dec-11-11 11:57 AM   #310 
              - Note How the Israeli Apologist Ignore the Truths in the Videos  USA_1   Dec-01-11 11:27 AM   #154 
                 - Videos from Neturei Karta nuts who love Iran's Ahmanidiot? Oooo, convincing! n/t  shira   Dec-01-11 01:38 PM   #159 
                    - Here's Another Convincing Video By Yet Another Israeli  USA_1   Dec-01-11 04:13 PM   #169 
                       - No, that's just filth from a very vile individual heavily involved with extremely hateful SOBs...  shira   Dec-01-11 06:21 PM   #172 
           - So wait...  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 03:07 PM   #117 
  - One more thing...  Shaktimaan   Nov-30-11 12:29 PM   #108 
     - ''You haven't said anything here to remotely challenge any of those specific examples.''  USA_1   Nov-30-11 09:11 PM   #121 
        - He 'creamed' you without trying.  King_David   Nov-30-11 09:40 PM   #122 
        - do you really want an israeli to reply?  pelsar   Dec-01-11 06:28 PM   #173 
  - "Feel free to criticize Israel when it's wrong. But let's not fail to celebrate it when it's right".  shira   Nov-29-11 06:50 AM   #3 
  - No, let's not celebrate it even when it's right.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 09:22 AM   #7 
     - Basically everything written here is also incorrect  oberliner   Nov-29-11 09:43 AM   #9 
     - Did I say that? N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 10:08 AM   #13 
     - you forgot something...  pelsar   Nov-29-11 09:55 AM   #10 
     - What plan? Hamas'?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 10:11 AM   #14 
        - Donald, do you believe Israel should immediately end the occupation and risk allowing all Israel...  shira   Nov-29-11 11:28 AM   #17 
        - Yes.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-29-11 01:15 PM   #20 
           - Why do you think less violence would result vs. Israel if the occupation ended now?  shira   Nov-29-11 02:25 PM   #21 
        - reading the future are we?  pelsar   Nov-29-11 02:46 PM   #24 
     - good clear explanation.....good to read...  pelsar   Nov-30-11 01:31 AM   #66 
     - No, that's an outright lie; I said the exact opposite of that.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-30-11 07:46 AM   #94 
     - i probably should add..why it won't work...  pelsar   Nov-30-11 02:54 AM   #68 
        - The Israeli left is vestigial at best.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-30-11 07:54 AM   #96 
           - you should ask rather than make assumptions....  pelsar   Nov-30-11 08:32 AM   #99 
  - Laughable Propaganda  USA_1   Nov-29-11 10:01 AM   #11 
  - Operation Moses (1985) and Operation Solomon (1991). Look it up.  shira   Nov-29-11 11:06 AM   #15 
     - ah yes the famed and much touted 'rescue' of Sudanese and Ethiopian Jooz  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 02:55 PM   #26 
        - Yes, evil Israel deserves zero credit for anything. Seemingly positive things are really negative.  shira   Nov-29-11 03:00 PM   #27 
        - Facts do seem to disturb you? n/t  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 03:45 PM   #33 
        - That pretty much sums up yr track record when it comes to Palestinians...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 03:34 AM   #75 
           - Not at all. In fact, I asked you several months ago to name a few issues in which the PA...  shira   Nov-30-11 04:11 AM   #78 
              - Bullshit. I've never seen you say anything positive about Palestine...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 04:15 AM   #80 
                 - It's funny you're asking me to list positive things about Palestine when you're unable to do so.  shira   Nov-30-11 04:51 AM   #82 
                    - I'm unable to do what?? Yr not making any sense...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 04:56 AM   #84 
                       - You're unable to list positive things about Palestine. I gave you one thing...  shira   Nov-30-11 04:58 AM   #85 
                          - WTF are you babbling about now? I asked *you* the question...  Violet_Crumble   Nov-30-11 05:03 AM   #87 
                             - Maybe your friends here can help you list 3-5 positive liberal/progressive things about Palestine...  shira   Nov-30-11 05:40 AM   #88 
        - just love the demonizations don't you....just can't quit  pelsar   Nov-29-11 03:21 PM   #29 
        - No I pointed out the 'ending' of the story seems you do not want that part told? n/t  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 03:47 PM   #34 
        - its only when one demonizes does one tell only part  pelsar   Nov-29-11 06:31 PM   #48 
        - No amount of logic or facts can penetrate those who demonize Israel. I cannot recall even once...  shira   Nov-29-11 05:06 PM   #38 
        - ... after YEARS of Supporting Apartheid  USA_1   Nov-29-11 03:29 PM   #30 
        - What are you blathering on about ?  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 03:49 PM   #35 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-29-11 04:31 PM   #36 
              - sorry I misunderstood your intent  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 04:53 PM   #37 
              - you choose....which one?  pelsar   Nov-29-11 06:39 PM   #49 
              - ah you added details not in comment but are you saying the Israeli government allowed African  azurnoir   Nov-30-11 02:47 PM   #115 
                 - try again....your not doing so well, but i have some advice  pelsar   Dec-01-11 12:03 AM   #133 
                    - No I once again I point to the fallacies in your own post  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 12:47 AM   #137 
                       - it sounds foolish when your caught with only half of the story....  pelsar   Dec-01-11 02:03 AM   #140 
                          - ah so now I'm Hamas or a Hamas mouthpiece/reporter?  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 08:12 AM   #145 
                             - i can't always tell the difference.....  pelsar   Dec-01-11 09:51 AM   #149 
                                - well now I did say that it was possible that  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 02:46 PM   #164 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-29-11 08:25 PM   #56 
                 - 'even though my ancestry is Jewish '  King_David   Nov-30-11 10:00 PM   #124 
                    - ''How about your best friends? Jewish?''  USA_1   Nov-30-11 10:58 PM   #128 
              - Quote of the day - "Are you a paid Israeli agent"? 'Nuff said. n/t  shira   Nov-29-11 05:18 PM   #40 
              - You are basically quoting a famous man: 'Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists'  LeftishBrit   Nov-29-11 06:44 PM   #50 
        - Another clueless post.  King_David   Nov-30-11 10:08 PM   #126 
           - Hardly I've learned much on those subjects from you  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 09:53 AM   #150 
  - Mr Miller seems to think that Hamas represents all Palestinians  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 02:45 PM   #23 
  - 73% of West Bank Palestinians support the Hamas charter. What does that mean to you?  shira   Nov-29-11 03:02 PM   #28 
  - Thanks the poll was the one done by Republican strategist Frank Luntz's The Israel Project  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 03:43 PM   #32 
     - A poll that you always neglect to say was conducted along with a Palestinian polling firm...  shira   Nov-29-11 05:13 PM   #39 
     - well TIP needed some Arabic speakers and it did supposedly give them an 'air' of legitimacy  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 05:31 PM   #43 
        - You'd think if it were such a crap poll, PCPO and Stan Greenberg would have said something...  shira   Nov-29-11 05:46 PM   #44 
     - So the poll means nothing even though Stan Greenberg and the PCPO conducted the survey?  shira   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #42 
        - I think the fact that less than 1/3 of Palestiians polled support Hamas  azurnoir   Nov-29-11 06:14 PM   #46 
           - Those 2 issues aren't one and the same. Supporters of the Democratic platform...  shira   Nov-29-11 06:23 PM   #47 
              - that's a pretty thin excuse Democrats that vote Republican aren't Democrats  azurnoir   Nov-30-11 02:22 PM   #111 
  - Oh I see the Rainbow Flag ( Translate :Gay Flag)  King_David   Nov-30-11 10:05 PM   #125 
     - I do know however that being Gay is not illegal in the West Bank  azurnoir   Nov-30-11 11:56 PM   #132 
        - That's the whole story? That being gay is not illegal in the West Bank? You're whitewashing...  shira   Dec-01-11 04:52 AM   #142 
        - well why don't you tell dear your aching to aren't you  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 06:55 AM   #144 
           - Let's see, all you have to say about GLBTs in the West Bank is that it's not illegal being gay?  shira   Dec-01-11 09:01 AM   #146 
              - Got nothin huh well nuthin but your usual accusations about what people think ? thanks n/t  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 09:45 AM   #147 
                 - Here's a WIKI entry on LGBT rights in the Palestinian territories...  shira   Dec-01-11 12:54 PM   #158 
                    - oh the wiki entry that sites the group who has in the past associated with.........  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 02:08 PM   #160 
                       - You can't advocate for LGBT rights in the OPT or criticize the PA, can you?  shira   Dec-01-11 02:22 PM   #162 
                          - What exactly is your purpose here shira ?  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 02:40 PM   #163 
                             - You keep defending the treatment of Gays in the West Bank  King_David   Dec-01-11 11:53 PM   #180 
                                - I support Palestinian Gay Rights advocate Haneen Maikey, do you?  azurnoir   Dec-02-11 08:46 AM   #185 
                                - Like 2 peas in a pod, Maikey doesn't see anything liberal/progressive in Israel either...  shira   Dec-02-11 11:10 AM   #191 
                                - Oh you mean she doesn't support the occupation got it  azurnoir   Dec-02-11 02:07 PM   #194 
                                - Ugh. Shameful. n/t  shira   Dec-02-11 02:10 PM   #195 
                                - yes I would agree it is a complete fraud  azurnoir   Dec-03-11 01:24 PM   #227 
                                   - Yes, she's a complete fraud - more interested in demonizing Israel that helping gays in Palestine  shira   Dec-03-11 01:48 PM   #231 
                                      - she mentions none of those things in the article  azurnoir   Dec-03-11 02:07 PM   #232 
                                      - A quick 2 second google search shows she's for BDS, which calls for 1 state, full RoR, etc.  shira   Dec-03-11 02:15 PM   #233 
                                      - Many support BDS but not all support all the things you claim  azurnoir   Dec-03-11 02:19 PM   #234 
                                      - Right, like many who support the BNP, KKK, or Hamas but not all the things they call for.  shira   Dec-03-11 02:23 PM   #236 
                                      - yes you are and your comparing both Palestinian Gays who support BDS to the KKK is beyond the pale  azurnoir   Dec-03-11 02:27 PM   #239 
                                      - BDS calls for the end of Israel. And when Schulman/Maikey say Israel only pretends 2 have gay rights  shira   Dec-03-11 02:30 PM   #240 
                                      - well that would be a point if Ms Schulman or Ms Maikey had actually said those thing so let's review  azurnoir   Dec-04-11 05:08 PM   #252 
                                - What is with those Scandanavian countries?  oberliner   Dec-03-11 02:26 PM   #238 
                                - also you dodged my question shir what is your purpose here ?  azurnoir   Dec-02-11 02:12 PM   #196 
                                   - Why don't you just answer me first, from #157 above. I have a 4 word answer for you...  shira   Dec-02-11 02:16 PM   #197 
                                      - well actually I did answer you in post #148 however  azurnoir   Dec-02-11 02:27 PM   #198 
                                         - You didn't answer specifically in #148 or in the post I'm responding to now...  shira   Dec-02-11 03:32 PM   #199 
                                            - actually you asked and I answered you do not like the answer it seems  azurnoir   Dec-02-11 11:16 PM   #206 
                                            - Just a simple yes or no. Overall, is Israel more liberal/progressive than the USA?  shira   Dec-03-11 05:53 AM   #211 
                                - I say that anybody that minimizes or  King_David   Dec-03-11 08:58 AM   #225 
                                - You must've missed the memo, Dave. Human rights in the mideast are used..  shira   Dec-02-11 11:24 AM   #193 
        - You do not know WTF your talking about (again )  King_David   Dec-01-11 05:21 PM   #171 
           - you quote from an article that is demeaning Palestinian Gays for supporting BDS untill Israel ends  azurnoir   Dec-03-11 01:31 PM   #228 
  - Bottom Line ...  USA_1   Nov-30-11 11:18 AM   #104 
  - Why is it so important for you to portray Israel in the most negative way possible...  shira   Nov-30-11 12:41 PM   #109 
  - More Horsebleep  USA_1   Nov-30-11 02:23 PM   #112 
     - This is just so stupid.  Shaktimaan   Dec-01-11 12:50 AM   #138 
        - Stupidity is Denying the Value of integration & Democracy  USA_1   Dec-01-11 10:18 PM   #176 
           - You know what I like about this idea?  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 01:17 AM   #182 
              - ''Once everyone is dead it'll probably be very peaceful.''  USA_1   Dec-02-11 10:43 AM   #188 
              - Shakti, this guy says your arguments are the same as the KKK. And to think I thought you were OK...  shira   Dec-02-11 11:20 AM   #192 
  - yeah, you keep saying that,  Shaktimaan   Dec-01-11 03:04 PM   #165 
     - ''single example''  USA_1   Dec-01-11 10:21 PM   #177 
        - No, I read it last night actually.  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 12:54 AM   #181 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-11 08:45 PM   #202 
              - Yeah, I don't know about those...  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 11:27 PM   #207 
                 - You may check his bibliography  USA_1   Dec-03-11 08:21 PM   #247 
  - THE PROGRESSIVE CASE FOR ISRAEL, THE ARABS, AND THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY.  shira   Nov-30-11 02:14 PM   #110 
  - Progressive Value:ONE STATE SOLUTION  USA_1   Nov-30-11 02:24 PM   #113 
     - So that is what "progressive" means.  aranthus   Nov-30-11 10:24 PM   #127 
        - Ain't Democracy Grand?  USA_1   Nov-30-11 10:58 PM   #129 
        - Your point has nothing to do with democracy.  aranthus   Dec-01-11 03:44 PM   #167 
           - That's what Southern Segregationists Said  USA_1   Dec-01-11 10:16 PM   #175 
              - the opposite?  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 01:42 AM   #183 
                 - Has Segregation Worked In Israel & Palestine?  USA_1   Dec-02-11 08:47 PM   #203 
                    - Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews  USA_1   Dec-03-11 08:46 PM   #249 
        - so you deny that Jews already have their own country in Israel? Thanks I never knew  azurnoir   Dec-01-11 12:20 AM   #134 
           - Of course not. I thought the point was very clear, but I will explain it.  aranthus   Dec-01-11 03:41 PM   #166 
              - Thank You Aranthus  USA_1   Dec-01-11 04:11 PM   #168 
                 - You have no cause to thank me.  aranthus   Dec-01-11 05:20 PM   #170 
                 - Democracy Works  USA_1   Dec-01-11 10:14 PM   #174 
                    - It has a good track record thus far.  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 08:54 AM   #186 
                    - It usually works better than other systems  LeftishBrit   Dec-02-11 10:58 AM   #190 
                 - There again..  LeftishBrit   Dec-02-11 10:44 AM   #189 
                    - I wish you could communicate that to the settlers and their enablers.  Crunchy Frog   Dec-02-11 07:22 PM   #201 
                       - I agree that my comments apply as much to the RW settlers as the anti-Zionists  LeftishBrit   Dec-03-11 04:02 AM   #209 
                          - Settlers and their enablers are the ones who are doing the MOST  Crunchy Frog   Dec-04-11 12:59 AM   #250 
  - Still Waiting For Proof There Is A Liberal Case For Israel  USA_1   Dec-01-11 10:22 PM   #178 
  - I'm willing to.  Shaktimaan   Dec-02-11 02:01 AM   #184 
     - That's the OP's Job to Do  USA_1   Dec-02-11 10:41 AM   #187 
        - the fallacy of group think as an the feeble mind  pelsar   Dec-03-11 12:24 AM   #208 
           - ''feeble minded types''  USA_1   Dec-03-11 01:37 PM   #229 
              - did i quote you correctly?  pelsar   Dec-03-11 02:25 PM   #237 
                 - "feebleminded" was your term, not mine  USA_1   Dec-03-11 08:15 PM   #246 
                    - yes i used feebleminded to describe those who believe in groupthink  pelsar   Dec-05-11 03:41 PM   #257 
                       - 'feebleminded ... group think'  USA_1   Dec-05-11 07:37 PM   #258 
                          - feeble minds also attempt to change the subject....  pelsar   Dec-05-11 11:14 PM   #259 
                             - ''change the subject''  USA_1   Dec-06-11 08:20 AM   #262 
                                - Israel is more liberal than the USA on these issues...  shira   Dec-06-11 09:25 AM   #263 
                                - Repeats  USA_1   Dec-06-11 02:37 PM   #268 
                                   - Discrimination isn't institutional. All citizens of Israel have guaranteed equal rights by law.  shira   Dec-06-11 02:54 PM   #271 
                                      - Your friend Hillary Doesn't Quite agree  USA_1   Dec-07-11 07:46 AM   #282 
                                         - Great response from the article you cited...  shira   Dec-07-11 12:58 PM   #284 
                                - ok..heres the proof...  pelsar   Dec-06-11 12:03 PM   #265 
                                - lol. n/t  shira   Dec-06-11 02:13 PM   #267 
                                - lololololol  USA_1   Dec-06-11 02:39 PM   #269 
                                   - yes i admit your case has been made.....oh. and the earth is flat....plus  pelsar   Dec-06-11 03:47 PM   #273 
                                - You mentioned, if Israel is liberal then they'd have affirmative action for the little guy...  shira   Dec-06-11 02:13 PM   #266 
  - What's the Liberal Case For: "Don't Marry American Jews"  USA_1   Dec-04-11 04:35 PM   #251 
  - Anyone???  USA_1   Dec-06-11 02:40 PM   #270 
     - Still Waiting ....  USA_1   Dec-07-11 07:47 AM   #283 
        - Waiting for what? Israel pulled the ads. Tell me, what's the liberal case for America...  shira   Dec-07-11 01:09 PM   #285 
           - WTF?  USA_1   Dec-08-11 07:49 AM   #286 
              - LOL. Pathetic. And you're wondering why people aren't responding to you?  shira   Dec-08-11 09:04 AM   #288 
                 - ''Israel has universal healthcare.'' Paid by USA Dollars  USA_1   Dec-09-11 09:44 AM   #291 
  - Miraculous: Test Tube Testes Developed by Arab Scientist  shira   Dec-06-11 09:35 AM   #264 
  - Still Waiting ...  USA_1   Dec-08-11 07:51 AM   #287 
  - How many times does it have to be proven to you? There are many examples in the threads above...  shira   Dec-08-11 09:18 AM   #289 
     - Your "Paradise" - financed By OUR Dollars  USA_1   Dec-09-11 09:45 AM   #292 
        - Terrorism From Paradise  USA_1   Dec-09-11 10:00 AM   #293 
           - In other words, you realize Israel is liberal but you hate Israel regardless...  shira   Dec-09-11 11:46 AM   #295 
              - More Trouble In Paradise  USA_1   Dec-10-11 09:52 AM   #304 
  - You are 100% wrong. Israel needs to be taken over by the UN and changed to Palestine  BanTheGOP   Dec-09-11 10:15 PM   #300 
     - The Democratic party supports Israel 100 %  King_David   Dec-10-11 01:08 AM   #301 
     - The post is just ... not from the real world  LeftishBrit   Dec-10-11 09:24 AM   #303 
     - No I don't think so either but what 'world' produced this  azurnoir   Dec-10-11 10:46 AM   #306 
     - 'tis the season for fruitcakes. n/t  aranthus   Dec-10-11 01:52 PM   #308 
     - A One State Government Is the Only Solution  USA_1   Dec-10-11 09:55 AM   #305 
     - if only the un had done what?  Shaktimaan   Dec-14-11 01:55 AM   #311 
     - Free Republic called and wants to know why you haven't cashed the check yet.  Mosby   Dec-10-11 11:46 AM   #307 
 

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