| -The Liberal Case for Israel |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 04:51 AM |
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That's quite a silly article, imo... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-29-11 05:09 AM |
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I did not think it 'silly' at all. nt |
King_David |
Nov-29-11 07:47 AM |
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The US isn't really attacked on the same existential level as Israel |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:02 AM |
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There are many differences between the US and Israel |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:16 AM |
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Each of your statements is demonstrably false |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:42 AM |
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I am overwhelmed by the force of the evidence you cite. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:08 AM |
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You think? |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-29-11 08:51 PM |
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Yes, I think. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:25 PM |
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So were you talking about the west bank or Palestine (Israel) in general? |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 01:59 AM |
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By that logic, just about every country is "staying" in every other country... |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-30-11 02:56 AM |
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not really. |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 09:34 AM |
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The difference between a military base and a hostile occupation... |
shaayecanaan |
Dec-01-11 01:39 AM |
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according to historian benny morris |
sabbat hunter |
Dec-10-11 09:15 AM |
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That is a pathetic non-response (nt) |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 11:53 AM |
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Do you agree with Donald's points? n/t |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:28 PM |
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Donald, when you argue from a viewpoint that denies Israel's very legitimacy, why do you believe... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:49 PM |
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Oh, Shira, are you ever going to stop telling deliberate, knowing lies? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 07:20 PM |
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You don't believe Jews have any right to self-determination... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 07:25 PM |
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For the love of all that's holy, please stop lying about what I believe! |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 08:50 PM |
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You just wrote "I don't believe that *the* Jews have any right to self-determination qua Jews" |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:06 AM |
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No, I'm unenthusiastic about the Palestinian's *national* self-determination. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 08:05 AM |
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so your justifying the creation of a dictatorship... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 10:15 AM |
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Do you acknowledge that Israel does not grant Palestinians the right you describe? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 08:08 AM |
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Palestinians within Israel are guaranteed those rights by law. One great thing about Israel... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 11:58 AM |
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Ooh, there's a nice sidestep. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:17 AM |
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Of course they have those rights, every bit as much as minorities in the UK and US have those rights |
shira |
Dec-01-11 11:32 AM |
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by law?...of course not |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 03:31 PM |
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By and large, yes |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 06:08 PM |
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Well then WRT Israel vs. the USA, let's see if you agree... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 08:15 PM |
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Yes, no, no and yes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 08:34 PM |
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Donald, you said let's not deny Israel is right when it's right... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:11 AM |
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'doesn't defund schools that don't whitewash the Nakba' |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-09-11 04:59 PM |
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You've got to be kidding about US schools |
oberliner |
Dec-09-11 06:30 PM |
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Depends on how you pick your cherries... |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 11:28 PM |
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From that post, what can you admit that Israel does right? n/t |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:12 AM |
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While Israel and the US differ markedly, singing their praises can't defend their actions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 03:14 AM |
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So what does Israel do right? Name 3-5 things, please. NT |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:13 AM |
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That's easy... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:25 AM |
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Thank you. I must say I'm impressed you could easily admit to those 5 things. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:53 AM |
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Shame you can't supply a few good things about Palestine... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:58 AM |
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I gave you one positive. That's one more than you're able to supply. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 05:41 AM |
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I supplied you with a list of five positive things about Israel... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 06:03 AM |
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And I supplied you with an answer to your question in post #75, in which you asked for 1-2 things. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 06:27 AM |
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It'd help if you got someone to read the posts yr replying to for you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 06:36 AM |
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IOW, you've got nothing. Thanks. n/t |
shira |
Nov-30-11 07:51 AM |
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Israel should be supported and lauded for its good things in opposition to anti-zionists... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:40 AM |
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Failure to hate evil is immoral |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 07:22 PM |
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Then the Left is immoral for failing to hate evil Palestinian leadership... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 07:32 PM |
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No, you've missed something so obvious I suspect you haven't genuinely missed it at all. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:10 PM |
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How can you not hate Hamas and the PA for their evil treatment of women, children, gays... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:54 AM |
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just for fun.... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 07:44 AM |
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"With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:09 AM |
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i beg to differ..your former doesn't even exist.... |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 08:07 AM |
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No, I don't give a damn about tribal identity. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-03-11 10:29 AM |
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but you do.... |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 02:22 PM |
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Please stop trying to tell me what I believe; claiming telepathy just makes you look foolish. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-03-11 03:21 PM |
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i'm just noting your own contradictions.... |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 03:35 PM |
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My pop psychology tells me you hate Zionism for other reasons. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 09:54 PM |
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Really what would they be or does your pop psychology |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:38 PM |
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Donald gets it. |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 11:24 PM |
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Of course. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:15 AM |
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"What gets to me most is...faulty chains of reasoning. That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact". |
shira |
Dec-01-11 11:51 AM |
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That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact; |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 02:17 PM |
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''Liberal'' Case? Horsebleep |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 06:21 AM |
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"Nothing in that racist, terrorist state reflects true liberalism nor can it be defended by way of.. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:18 AM |
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See Beit-Hallahmi |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 03:30 PM |
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You didn't answer me, so once again since Israel is far ahead of the USA on many liberal issues... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
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USA's Rank in this regard is irrelevant |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 08:26 PM |
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LOL, says "USA_1". Remember that saying about people and glass houses? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 08:29 PM |
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Nice Try at Obfuscation |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 08:50 PM |
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So you concede the USA is far less liberal/progressive than Israel. Thanks for the admission. NT |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:36 AM |
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Ho Hum |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:13 AM |
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Maybe you don't realize it, but you were the one making the claim that Israel is in no way... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 12:08 PM |
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''Israel, however, is arguably even more liberal/progressive although you won't admit it'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 07:11 PM |
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Gay rights, death penalty, healthcare, more socialist, much more self critical media... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 08:11 PM |
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Majalli Wahabi, filled in as President of Israel for a day or so in early 2007 |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:31 PM |
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The comparison was between the US and Israel. Israel's ahead of the US on everything mentioned. |
shira |
Dec-01-11 04:40 AM |
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oh well of course Israel is more progressive than almost any country on Earth except......... |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:50 AM |
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You didn't answer the question, why? Between the USA and Israel... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 12:49 PM |
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But israel is a single state. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 12:27 AM |
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''two seperate nations'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 01:43 PM |
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ha! |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 03:26 AM |
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Einstein did support Zionism |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:17 AM |
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So he disliked the Irgun... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 12:16 PM |
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Israel's Apologists Are Working Full Time on this Thread |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:26 PM |
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yeah, well... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 02:47 PM |
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''You'll likely be gone before the week's out.'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 09:04 PM |
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I strongly disagree... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-01-11 12:39 AM |
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The OP isn't about stifling criticism of Israel's occupation, but rather a response... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 05:03 AM |
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No, it isn't. He doesn't say that anywhere in the article... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-02-11 06:17 PM |
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There's nothing in the OP that hints at stifling criticism due to Israel's progressive nature |
shira |
Dec-02-11 10:35 PM |
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Of course there is. Maybe you should try reading the OP? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-02-11 11:07 PM |
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And once again you failed to address the fear Israelis have of pulling out of the WB... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:47 AM |
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That'd be because I didn't know that was being demanded of me... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 06:20 AM |
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Apparently you don't think much of the vast majority of Israelis terrified of rockets... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 06:57 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-03-11 07:17 AM |
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You still can't and won't empathize with the vast majority of Israeli with legit fears... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 07:37 AM |
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I empathise with them every bit as much as I do with Palestinian fears... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 07:48 AM |
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You do realize UNSCR242 never states the occupation is illegal, right? n/t |
shira |
Dec-03-11 07:51 AM |
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I don't recall saying it was, so how about focusing on what I actually did say? n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 07:57 AM |
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Since it's not illegal, Israel is legally justified in continuing it. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:00 AM |
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Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:06 AM |
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It's a legal occupation that is allowed to last until a just peace is negotiated. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:13 AM |
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Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:24 AM |
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You must've missed the part in UNSCR242 which requires withdrawal based on negotiated peace... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:36 AM |
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Yeah, that'd be because it's not there... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 03:38 PM |
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It must be difficult for you keeping your stories straight... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:25 PM |
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Not really. I think it's more yr unable to comprehend simple arguments... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 06:21 PM |
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One thing at a time, about the occupation... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 06:59 PM |
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That's lovely and all, but you still haven't explained *why* you want the Occupation to end... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:38 PM |
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I want the occupation to end... |
shira |
Dec-05-11 11:32 AM |
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Someone who held that view wouldn't try arguing that the Occupation was moral... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-05-11 02:02 PM |
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When did I ever say that? I've argued it's legal... |
shira |
Dec-05-11 02:55 PM |
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Only about twenty or so posts back... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-06-11 04:05 AM |
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Good catch, you're right. But is it more moral to maintain the occupation... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 06:56 AM |
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There's nothing moral about the Occupation, and no-one who opposed it would claim it was... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 03:36 AM |
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And there you go deflecting once again... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 03:48 AM |
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Ah, so pointing out that you admire a blatant Islamophobe is 'deflecting'? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 04:17 AM |
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Rubin is not an Islamophobe. Read that article again... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 04:42 AM |
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He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 04:57 AM |
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No he's not. Anyone with reading comprehension ability can see the problem he's describing... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 05:34 AM |
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He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 05:58 AM |
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Why is it so difficult for you to detach yourself from disgusting, vile organizations... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 06:10 AM |
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Try to focus on what the discussion's about instead of deflecting... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-09-11 12:55 AM |
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Your neo-nazi source is not credible. Reports were a state was offered on 60% of the land. |
shira |
Dec-09-11 10:57 AM |
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More deflection and evasion from you. No surprises there! |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-09-11 04:32 PM |
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If you're really interested in discussing sources, I'm more than happy to do so with you... |
shira |
Dec-09-11 06:25 PM |
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I've already pointed out in detail Rubin's Islamophobia. Don't need you for that... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-10-11 02:59 PM |
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Nonsense. You went off someone else's cherry picking Rubin out of context... |
shira |
Dec-11-11 11:57 AM |
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Note How the Israeli Apologist Ignore the Truths in the Videos |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 11:27 AM |
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Videos from Neturei Karta nuts who love Iran's Ahmanidiot? Oooo, convincing! n/t |
shira |
Dec-01-11 01:38 PM |
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Here's Another Convincing Video By Yet Another Israeli |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 04:13 PM |
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No, that's just filth from a very vile individual heavily involved with extremely hateful SOBs... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 06:21 PM |
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So wait... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 03:07 PM |
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One more thing... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 12:29 PM |
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''You haven't said anything here to remotely challenge any of those specific examples.'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 09:11 PM |
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He 'creamed' you without trying. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 09:40 PM |
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do you really want an israeli to reply? |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 06:28 PM |
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"Feel free to criticize Israel when it's wrong. But let's not fail to celebrate it when it's right". |
shira |
Nov-29-11 06:50 AM |
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No, let's not celebrate it even when it's right. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:22 AM |
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Basically everything written here is also incorrect |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:43 AM |
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Did I say that? N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:08 AM |
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you forgot something... |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 09:55 AM |
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What plan? Hamas'? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:11 AM |
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Donald, do you believe Israel should immediately end the occupation and risk allowing all Israel... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:28 AM |
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Yes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 01:15 PM |
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Why do you think less violence would result vs. Israel if the occupation ended now? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:25 PM |
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reading the future are we? |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 02:46 PM |
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good clear explanation.....good to read... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 01:31 AM |
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No, that's an outright lie; I said the exact opposite of that. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 07:46 AM |
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i probably should add..why it won't work... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 02:54 AM |
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The Israeli left is vestigial at best. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 07:54 AM |
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you should ask rather than make assumptions.... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 08:32 AM |
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Laughable Propaganda |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 10:01 AM |
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Operation Moses (1985) and Operation Solomon (1991). Look it up. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:06 AM |
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ah yes the famed and much touted 'rescue' of Sudanese and Ethiopian Jooz |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 02:55 PM |
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Yes, evil Israel deserves zero credit for anything. Seemingly positive things are really negative. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 03:00 PM |
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Facts do seem to disturb you? n/t |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:45 PM |
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That pretty much sums up yr track record when it comes to Palestinians... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 03:34 AM |
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Not at all. In fact, I asked you several months ago to name a few issues in which the PA... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:11 AM |
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Bullshit. I've never seen you say anything positive about Palestine... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:15 AM |
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It's funny you're asking me to list positive things about Palestine when you're unable to do so. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:51 AM |
#82 |
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I'm unable to do what?? Yr not making any sense... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:56 AM |
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You're unable to list positive things about Palestine. I gave you one thing... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:58 AM |
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WTF are you babbling about now? I asked *you* the question... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 05:03 AM |
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Maybe your friends here can help you list 3-5 positive liberal/progressive things about Palestine... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 05:40 AM |
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just love the demonizations don't you....just can't quit |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 03:21 PM |
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No I pointed out the 'ending' of the story seems you do not want that part told? n/t |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:47 PM |
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its only when one demonizes does one tell only part |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 06:31 PM |
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No amount of logic or facts can penetrate those who demonize Israel. I cannot recall even once... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:06 PM |
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... after YEARS of Supporting Apartheid |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 03:29 PM |
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What are you blathering on about ? |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:49 PM |
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Nov-29-11 04:31 PM |
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sorry I misunderstood your intent |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 04:53 PM |
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you choose....which one? |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 06:39 PM |
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ah you added details not in comment but are you saying the Israeli government allowed African |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 02:47 PM |
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try again....your not doing so well, but i have some advice |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 12:03 AM |
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No I once again I point to the fallacies in your own post |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 12:47 AM |
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it sounds foolish when your caught with only half of the story.... |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 02:03 AM |
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ah so now I'm Hamas or a Hamas mouthpiece/reporter? |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 08:12 AM |
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i can't always tell the difference..... |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 09:51 AM |
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well now I did say that it was possible that |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:46 PM |
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Nov-29-11 08:25 PM |
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'even though my ancestry is Jewish ' |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:00 PM |
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''How about your best friends? Jewish?'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 10:58 PM |
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Quote of the day - "Are you a paid Israeli agent"? 'Nuff said. n/t |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:18 PM |
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You are basically quoting a famous man: 'Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists' |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-29-11 06:44 PM |
#50 |
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Another clueless post. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:08 PM |
#126 |
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Hardly I've learned much on those subjects from you |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:53 AM |
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Mr Miller seems to think that Hamas represents all Palestinians |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 02:45 PM |
#23 |
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73% of West Bank Palestinians support the Hamas charter. What does that mean to you? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 03:02 PM |
#28 |
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Thanks the poll was the one done by Republican strategist Frank Luntz's The Israel Project |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:43 PM |
#32 |
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A poll that you always neglect to say was conducted along with a Palestinian polling firm... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:13 PM |
#39 |
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well TIP needed some Arabic speakers and it did supposedly give them an 'air' of legitimacy |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 05:31 PM |
#43 |
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You'd think if it were such a crap poll, PCPO and Stan Greenberg would have said something... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:46 PM |
#44 |
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So the poll means nothing even though Stan Greenberg and the PCPO conducted the survey? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#42 |
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I think the fact that less than 1/3 of Palestiians polled support Hamas |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 06:14 PM |
#46 |
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Those 2 issues aren't one and the same. Supporters of the Democratic platform... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 06:23 PM |
#47 |
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that's a pretty thin excuse Democrats that vote Republican aren't Democrats |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 02:22 PM |
#111 |
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Oh I see the Rainbow Flag ( Translate :Gay Flag) |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:05 PM |
#125 |
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I do know however that being Gay is not illegal in the West Bank |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:56 PM |
#132 |
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That's the whole story? That being gay is not illegal in the West Bank? You're whitewashing... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 04:52 AM |
#142 |
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well why don't you tell dear your aching to aren't you |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 06:55 AM |
#144 |
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Let's see, all you have to say about GLBTs in the West Bank is that it's not illegal being gay? |
shira |
Dec-01-11 09:01 AM |
#146 |
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Got nothin huh well nuthin but your usual accusations about what people think ? thanks n/t |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:45 AM |
#147 |
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Here's a WIKI entry on LGBT rights in the Palestinian territories... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 12:54 PM |
#158 |
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oh the wiki entry that sites the group who has in the past associated with......... |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:08 PM |
#160 |
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You can't advocate for LGBT rights in the OPT or criticize the PA, can you? |
shira |
Dec-01-11 02:22 PM |
#162 |
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What exactly is your purpose here shira ? |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:40 PM |
#163 |
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You keep defending the treatment of Gays in the West Bank |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 11:53 PM |
#180 |
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I support Palestinian Gay Rights advocate Haneen Maikey, do you? |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 08:46 AM |
#185 |
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Like 2 peas in a pod, Maikey doesn't see anything liberal/progressive in Israel either... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:10 AM |
#191 |
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Oh you mean she doesn't support the occupation got it |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:07 PM |
#194 |
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Ugh. Shameful. n/t |
shira |
Dec-02-11 02:10 PM |
#195 |
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yes I would agree it is a complete fraud |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 01:24 PM |
#227 |
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Yes, she's a complete fraud - more interested in demonizing Israel that helping gays in Palestine |
shira |
Dec-03-11 01:48 PM |
#231 |
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she mentions none of those things in the article |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:07 PM |
#232 |
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A quick 2 second google search shows she's for BDS, which calls for 1 state, full RoR, etc. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:15 PM |
#233 |
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Many support BDS but not all support all the things you claim |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:19 PM |
#234 |
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Right, like many who support the BNP, KKK, or Hamas but not all the things they call for. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:23 PM |
#236 |
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yes you are and your comparing both Palestinian Gays who support BDS to the KKK is beyond the pale |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:27 PM |
#239 |
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BDS calls for the end of Israel. And when Schulman/Maikey say Israel only pretends 2 have gay rights |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:30 PM |
#240 |
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well that would be a point if Ms Schulman or Ms Maikey had actually said those thing so let's review |
azurnoir |
Dec-04-11 05:08 PM |
#252 |
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What is with those Scandanavian countries? |
oberliner |
Dec-03-11 02:26 PM |
#238 |
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also you dodged my question shir what is your purpose here ? |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:12 PM |
#196 |
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Why don't you just answer me first, from #157 above. I have a 4 word answer for you... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 02:16 PM |
#197 |
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well actually I did answer you in post #148 however |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:27 PM |
#198 |
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You didn't answer specifically in #148 or in the post I'm responding to now... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 03:32 PM |
#199 |
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actually you asked and I answered you do not like the answer it seems |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 11:16 PM |
#206 |
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Just a simple yes or no. Overall, is Israel more liberal/progressive than the USA? |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:53 AM |
#211 |
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I say that anybody that minimizes or |
King_David |
Dec-03-11 08:58 AM |
#225 |
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You must've missed the memo, Dave. Human rights in the mideast are used.. |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:24 AM |
#193 |
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You do not know WTF your talking about (again ) |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 05:21 PM |
#171 |
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you quote from an article that is demeaning Palestinian Gays for supporting BDS untill Israel ends |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 01:31 PM |
#228 |
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Bottom Line ... |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:18 AM |
#104 |
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Why is it so important for you to portray Israel in the most negative way possible... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 12:41 PM |
#109 |
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More Horsebleep |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:23 PM |
#112 |
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This is just so stupid. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 12:50 AM |
#138 |
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Stupidity is Denying the Value of integration & Democracy |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:18 PM |
#176 |
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You know what I like about this idea? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 01:17 AM |
#182 |
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''Once everyone is dead it'll probably be very peaceful.'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 10:43 AM |
#188 |
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Shakti, this guy says your arguments are the same as the KKK. And to think I thought you were OK... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:20 AM |
#192 |
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yeah, you keep saying that, |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 03:04 PM |
#165 |
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''single example'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:21 PM |
#177 |
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No, I read it last night actually. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 12:54 AM |
#181 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 08:45 PM |
#202 |
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Yeah, I don't know about those... |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 11:27 PM |
#207 |
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You may check his bibliography |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:21 PM |
#247 |
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THE PROGRESSIVE CASE FOR ISRAEL, THE ARABS, AND THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 02:14 PM |
#110 |
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Progressive Value:ONE STATE SOLUTION |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:24 PM |
#113 |
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So that is what "progressive" means. |
aranthus |
Nov-30-11 10:24 PM |
#127 |
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Ain't Democracy Grand? |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 10:58 PM |
#129 |
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Your point has nothing to do with democracy. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 03:44 PM |
#167 |
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That's what Southern Segregationists Said |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:16 PM |
#175 |
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the opposite? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 01:42 AM |
#183 |
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Has Segregation Worked In Israel & Palestine? |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 08:47 PM |
#203 |
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Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:46 PM |
#249 |
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so you deny that Jews already have their own country in Israel? Thanks I never knew |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 12:20 AM |
#134 |
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Of course not. I thought the point was very clear, but I will explain it. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 03:41 PM |
#166 |
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Thank You Aranthus |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 04:11 PM |
#168 |
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You have no cause to thank me. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 05:20 PM |
#170 |
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Democracy Works |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:14 PM |
#174 |
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It has a good track record thus far. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 08:54 AM |
#186 |
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It usually works better than other systems |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-02-11 10:58 AM |
#190 |
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There again.. |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-02-11 10:44 AM |
#189 |
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I wish you could communicate that to the settlers and their enablers. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-02-11 07:22 PM |
#201 |
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I agree that my comments apply as much to the RW settlers as the anti-Zionists |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-03-11 04:02 AM |
#209 |
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Settlers and their enablers are the ones who are doing the MOST |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-04-11 12:59 AM |
#250 |
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Still Waiting For Proof There Is A Liberal Case For Israel |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:22 PM |
#178 |
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I'm willing to. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 02:01 AM |
#184 |
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That's the OP's Job to Do |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 10:41 AM |
#187 |
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the fallacy of group think as an the feeble mind |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 12:24 AM |
#208 |
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''feeble minded types'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 01:37 PM |
#229 |
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did i quote you correctly? |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 02:25 PM |
#237 |
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"feebleminded" was your term, not mine |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:15 PM |
#246 |
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yes i used feebleminded to describe those who believe in groupthink |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 03:41 PM |
#257 |
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'feebleminded ... group think' |
USA_1 |
Dec-05-11 07:37 PM |
#258 |
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feeble minds also attempt to change the subject.... |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 11:14 PM |
#259 |
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''change the subject'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 08:20 AM |
#262 |
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Israel is more liberal than the USA on these issues... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 09:25 AM |
#263 |
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Repeats |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:37 PM |
#268 |
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Discrimination isn't institutional. All citizens of Israel have guaranteed equal rights by law. |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:54 PM |
#271 |
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Your friend Hillary Doesn't Quite agree |
USA_1 |
Dec-07-11 07:46 AM |
#282 |
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Great response from the article you cited... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 12:58 PM |
#284 |
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ok..heres the proof... |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 12:03 PM |
#265 |
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lol. n/t |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:13 PM |
#267 |
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lololololol |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:39 PM |
#269 |
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yes i admit your case has been made.....oh. and the earth is flat....plus |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 03:47 PM |
#273 |
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You mentioned, if Israel is liberal then they'd have affirmative action for the little guy... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:13 PM |
#266 |
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What's the Liberal Case For: "Don't Marry American Jews" |
USA_1 |
Dec-04-11 04:35 PM |
#251 |
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Anyone??? |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:40 PM |
#270 |
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Still Waiting .... |
USA_1 |
Dec-07-11 07:47 AM |
#283 |
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Waiting for what? Israel pulled the ads. Tell me, what's the liberal case for America... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 01:09 PM |
#285 |
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WTF? |
USA_1 |
Dec-08-11 07:49 AM |
#286 |
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LOL. Pathetic. And you're wondering why people aren't responding to you? |
shira |
Dec-08-11 09:04 AM |
#288 |
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''Israel has universal healthcare.'' Paid by USA Dollars |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 09:44 AM |
#291 |
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Miraculous: Test Tube Testes Developed by Arab Scientist |
shira |
Dec-06-11 09:35 AM |
#264 |
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Still Waiting ... |
USA_1 |
Dec-08-11 07:51 AM |
#287 |
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How many times does it have to be proven to you? There are many examples in the threads above... |
shira |
Dec-08-11 09:18 AM |
#289 |
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Your "Paradise" - financed By OUR Dollars |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 09:45 AM |
#292 |
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Terrorism From Paradise |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 10:00 AM |
#293 |
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In other words, you realize Israel is liberal but you hate Israel regardless... |
shira |
Dec-09-11 11:46 AM |
#295 |
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More Trouble In Paradise |
USA_1 |
Dec-10-11 09:52 AM |
#304 |
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You are 100% wrong. Israel needs to be taken over by the UN and changed to Palestine |
BanTheGOP |
Dec-09-11 10:15 PM |
#300 |
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The Democratic party supports Israel 100 % |
King_David |
Dec-10-11 01:08 AM |
#301 |
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The post is just ... not from the real world |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-10-11 09:24 AM |
#303 |
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No I don't think so either but what 'world' produced this |
azurnoir |
Dec-10-11 10:46 AM |
#306 |
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'tis the season for fruitcakes. n/t |
aranthus |
Dec-10-11 01:52 PM |
#308 |
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A One State Government Is the Only Solution |
USA_1 |
Dec-10-11 09:55 AM |
#305 |
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if only the un had done what? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-14-11 01:55 AM |
#311 |
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Free Republic called and wants to know why you haven't cashed the check yet. |
Mosby |
Dec-10-11 11:46 AM |
#307 |