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Despite swap, Gaza remains imprisoned
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While 1,000 Palestinian prisoners will be released, 1.8 million people living in Gaza are still not free.

Raji Sourani and Eyad Sarraj Last Modified: 24 Oct 2011 11:06

The prisoner exchange agreement concluded between Israel and Hamas has brought relief to thousands of families eager to see their loved ones return home. In the midst of Israel's prolonged belligerent occupation, we are witnessing a rare moment of unified Israeli and Palestinian celebration. However, this event, and the resultant media fanfare, must not distract attention from the underlying tragic reality.

The real issues demanding attention centre upon Israel's 63-year belligerent occupation, and the routine violations of international law perpetrated by the occupation forces. The most glaring example of this is the absolute closure imposed by Israel on the Gaza Strip.

Israel first initiated its closure policy with respect to the Gaza Strip in 1991. In recent years, it has been progressively tightened, following the election of President Abbas, the detention of Gilad Shalit, and the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip. Today, the closure is absolute.

Analysis: Hamas-Israel prisoners swap

As many as 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza are cut off from the rest of Palestine, and the outside world. This economic and psychological suffocation has decimated the Gazan economy, driving unemployment, poverty and aid dependence to record levels. An entire generation has been isolated and denied access to the outside world.

in full: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/20...
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  -Despite swap, Gaza remains imprisoned Jefferson23  Oct-25-11 04:13 PM   #0 
  - The government in Gaza has a choice  King_David   Oct-25-11 04:30 PM   #1 
  - According to you it is 100% of their making. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 04:35 PM   #2 
  - Yep 100% nt  King_David   Oct-25-11 05:07 PM   #9 
  - ""Mr" Hanniya stop your rockets !  azurnoir   Oct-25-11 05:54 PM   #13 
     - Think that was an accident ?  King_David   Oct-25-11 11:32 PM   #40 
        - I don't know if you used that wording by accident  azurnoir   Oct-25-11 11:51 PM   #43 
           - What you going on about  King_David   Oct-26-11 06:27 AM   #49 
              - well you asked did you expect another answer? n/t  azurnoir   Oct-26-11 06:52 AM   #50 
  - I'm impressed.....so do you agree?  pelsar   Oct-25-11 04:35 PM   #3 
  - Why don't you tell me pelsar what you're impressed with.  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 04:47 PM   #5 
     - I'm impressed, nay fascinated....  pelsar   Oct-25-11 05:04 PM   #8 
        - What ends? and thanks for the clarity, I think. You are speaking  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 05:26 PM   #11 
           - the clarity is promoting an article that is false...  pelsar   Oct-25-11 05:48 PM   #12 
           - I already gave you my answer to your question, you don't agree?  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 06:31 PM   #16 
              - you've got to be kidding...thats your excuse?  pelsar   Oct-25-11 06:41 PM   #19 
                 - If I was kidding, you'd know it. Again, I answered your question, you don't like  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:10 PM   #22 
                    - limited benefits?...wow....  pelsar   Oct-25-11 07:22 PM   #25 
                       - pelar, why don't you reconcile with the OP I just posted for you..it is  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:29 PM   #27 
                          - i really don't care what a quartet says.....  pelsar   Oct-25-11 07:48 PM   #29 
                             - pelsar, that you don't care what the quartet said, that you don't care  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:53 PM   #31 
                                - B'tselemt did not write what are the limitations....  pelsar   Oct-25-11 08:09 PM   #34 
                                   - You didn't read past that sentence?  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 08:28 PM   #37 
                                      - unemployment?  Shaktimaan   Oct-25-11 09:46 PM   #38 
                                      - You're sympathetic to collective punishment?  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 01:09 PM   #52 
                                      - i'm not asking mr btselem....they also didn't answer the question...  pelsar   Oct-26-11 03:09 AM   #47 
                                         - I don't see how anyone could even imagine Egypt could do as  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 01:28 PM   #54 
                                            - you avoid explaining......constantly  pelsar   Oct-26-11 03:13 PM   #56 
                                               - Oh bullshit..that you offer NO evidence to counter any of my  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 03:41 PM   #57 
                                                  - your claiming there is a limitation..  pelsar   Oct-26-11 05:30 PM   #58 
                                                  - Egypt is NOT the occupying power.  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 06:15 PM   #61 
                                                  - your slowly becoming clearer...slowly  pelsar   Oct-26-11 08:22 PM   #62 
                                                  - No pelsar, the above is your answer to the question you asked me.  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 08:43 PM   #63 
                                                  - now your question...  pelsar   Oct-27-11 12:54 AM   #64 
                                                  - IOW, Jefferson23 will neither confirm or deny that his position is for Egypt...  shira   Oct-27-11 06:46 AM   #65 
                                                  - see post # 32. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 03:31 PM   #70 
                                                  - This response is yours pelsar, not mine..that was my point.  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 03:27 PM   #69 
                                                  - of course its my response....you're vague at best.  pelsar   Oct-27-11 06:33 PM   #72 
                                                  - Your problem is that you don't accept any answer than the one you prefer.  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 07:34 PM   #73 
                                                  - i dont understand your answers..i can't find them  pelsar   Oct-28-11 02:14 AM   #79 
           - FTR, the motivation behind suicide bombing is not understandable....  shira   Oct-25-11 06:49 PM   #20 
              - I'm not responsible for your inabilities. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:14 PM   #23 
                 - No sense pretending suicide bombing is based on the '67 occupation only....  shira   Oct-25-11 07:51 PM   #30 
                    - I'm not pretending you understand, you are doing that quite well all by yourself. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:55 PM   #32 
                       - IOW, you got nothing substantive. Just condescension and ridicule. Lame. n/t  shira   Oct-26-11 03:54 AM   #48 
                          - I'm not responsible for what you ask for. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 01:11 PM   #53 
  - Take a look at a map and you'll notice Egypt next door as a way out.  barb162   Oct-25-11 04:36 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-25-11 05:58 PM   #14 
  - I check out the visd about the shopping mall and people should check out the guy who posted it too  azurnoir   Oct-25-11 06:24 PM   #15 
  - lol. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 06:33 PM   #17 
  - Hi Barb nice to see you back after a long absence from this forum  azurnoir   Oct-25-11 11:54 PM   #44 
     - 'the mall and such are kind of old news around here though '  King_David   Oct-26-11 06:04 PM   #59 
        - The youtube videos were from 7/10 and 4/11 when the stories were first reported  azurnoir   Oct-26-11 06:15 PM   #60 
  - What 63 year occupation?  henank   Oct-25-11 04:55 PM   #6 
  - If Abbas can get away with saying it, why not everyone else? They're not even trying to pretend...  shira   Oct-25-11 05:03 PM   #7 
  - that's different.  Shaktimaan   Oct-26-11 01:21 AM   #46 
  - The whole article is a load of CRAP nt  King_David   Oct-25-11 05:09 PM   #10 
  - Exactly - but people here don't want to talk about these pesky little facts.  Mosby   Oct-25-11 06:40 PM   #18 
  - The half-truths, lies, omissions, etc... are intentional. They can't and won't defend that. n/t  shira   Oct-25-11 06:54 PM   #21 
  - They are referring to the 63 year anniversary of the Nakba. n/t  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:19 PM   #24 
     - Talk about turning a blind eye to unpleasant truths.  aranthus   Oct-25-11 07:25 PM   #26 
     - The 63 years is not about the anniversary, it is just a coincidence?  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 07:32 PM   #28 
        - They didn't say 63 year anniversary.  aranthus   Oct-25-11 07:59 PM   #33 
           - I doubt anything I say will change your mind yet, here goes:  Jefferson23   Oct-25-11 08:15 PM   #35 
              - "Israel's 63-year belligerent occupation"  oberliner   Oct-25-11 08:21 PM   #36 
              - But they have been saying the same thing for decades.  aranthus   Oct-25-11 11:27 PM   #39 
              - As I asked earlier, this is a coincidence they are stating 63 years  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 01:00 PM   #51 
                 - Are you suggesting that Saree Makdisi represents mainstream Palestinian opinion?  aranthus   Oct-27-11 11:09 AM   #67 
                    - True, and why I have asked, is it not a coincidence, the nakba.  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 03:47 PM   #71 
                       - Yes, Nakba and the desire to destroy Israel are related.  aranthus   Oct-27-11 07:52 PM   #74 
                          - Makdisi is cited for the info given through the exchange with Morris, regarding  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 08:49 PM   #75 
                             - Makdisi is an anti-Israel rejectionist.  aranthus   Oct-27-11 09:15 PM   #76 
                                - He supports a one state solution and he writes why too.  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 09:42 PM   #77 
                                   - Fine. So let's say that he's a one state anti-Israel rejectionist,  aranthus   Oct-27-11 10:27 PM   #78 
              - Nakba anniversary?  Shaktimaan   Oct-26-11 12:47 AM   #45 
                 - So it is not a coincidence, 63 years ago this year..the Nabka?  Jefferson23   Oct-26-11 02:52 PM   #55 
                    - A coincidence?  Shaktimaan   Oct-27-11 07:08 AM   #66 
                       - I have no concern of my credibility, it does not hinge on what you accept  Jefferson23   Oct-27-11 03:10 PM   #68 
     - Nope  King_David   Oct-25-11 11:37 PM   #41 
  - The whole article is discredited  King_David   Oct-25-11 11:38 PM   #42 
  - seems hamas disagrees......  pelsar   Dec-10-11 05:54 AM   #80 
     - They're desperate to convince their constituents they've done a good job.  Jefferson23   Dec-10-11 08:25 AM   #81 
     - did hamas just ruin another "its israels fault" theory?  pelsar   Dec-10-11 11:09 AM   #83 
        - An Islamic Club Med out of Gaza? That's a worse case scenario for me, so you say.  Jefferson23   Dec-10-11 10:43 PM   #84 
     - In addition to GDP growth of 30%, unemployment in Gaza dropped to decade lows...  shira   Dec-10-11 08:57 AM   #82 
 

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