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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:11 AM
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77. I'm sure he has used the word 'disputed' in the past. That's not the point...
The other poster is arguing (see their posts in the thread I linked to) that Abbas claims the Occupied Territories are 'disputed' not 'occupied'. In that thread they even came up with the bizarre claim that Abbas wants to see a legal change so that legally the term used to describe the Occupied Territories as disputed rather than occupied.

That's what I have an issue with, as it's clearly not true...

Of course he would have used the word 'disputed', and the same poster has replied to this post of yrs with an excellent example of an actual quote by Abbas, which they kindly bolded for everyone. "But we will have obtained the world's recognition that our state is occupied and that our land is occupied and not disputed territory, as the Israeli government claims,". He'd obviously use the word 'disputed' in order to say that the Occupied Territories are occupied, not disputed, which is the complete opposite of the claim the other poster has made...
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  -Israel approves 1,100 settler homes in Gilo, Jerusalem xchrom  Sep-27-11 11:17 AM   #0 
  - What would happen to the settlements built on territory that becomes  no_hypocrisy   Sep-27-11 11:20 AM   #1 
  - I have every confidence...  holdencaufield   Sep-27-11 11:25 AM   #2 
  - What happened in Gaza?  maxsolomon   Sep-27-11 11:35 AM   #3 
     - The houses were demolished by mutual agreement.  Swede   Sep-27-11 04:21 PM   #21 
  - Tick tock, tick tock..the rat ran up the clock and kept securing land  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 12:02 PM   #4 
  - U.S. condemns Israeli plan for new construction beyond Green Line  Scurrilous   Sep-27-11 12:14 PM   #5 
  - This is the same old song and dance all over again  mazzarro   Sep-27-11 12:38 PM   #6 
  - So you beleive the Palestinians should be resettled in Arab countries? n/t  azurnoir   Sep-27-11 12:47 PM   #7 
  - How about, who are the Palestinians?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-27-11 01:36 PM   #8 
  - well why don't you 'splain that one to us Prof n/t  azurnoir   Sep-27-11 02:04 PM   #9 
     - Still looking for an answer to that one...  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-27-11 02:53 PM   #12 
     - Strawman. Coming up with a definition is a waste of time.  Ken Burch   Sep-27-11 06:50 PM   #30 
        - Actually it is one of several key issues  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-27-11 08:35 PM   #34 
     - And then one could ask who are the Jews?  TomClash   Sep-28-11 03:17 PM   #65 
  - No - All I'm saying is that Palestinians are getting a raw deal  mazzarro   Sep-27-11 03:36 PM   #17 
  - the WHOLE of wb and gaza, huh?  Shaktimaan   Sep-28-11 02:12 AM   #47 
  - Don't forget it's "unilateral" too, "unilaterally approves 1,100 settler homes in Gilo, Jerusalem."  bemildred   Sep-27-11 02:36 PM   #10 
  - Zoning laws  vminfla   Sep-27-11 02:48 PM   #11 
  - Are their zoning laws in J'lem? From what I have seen the building codes are certainly not enforced  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-27-11 02:56 PM   #13 
  - Did you see some buildings that were not up to code?  vminfla   Sep-27-11 04:04 PM   #20 
     - I am sorry if my sarcasm was not obvious enough  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-27-11 08:33 PM   #33 
  - You could look at it that way if you ignore international law, but that  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 02:58 PM   #14 
  - There's a reason why they're disputed territories that even Abbas admitted to recently....  shira   Sep-27-11 03:10 PM   #15 
  - You could read international law, the consensus, or you  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 03:21 PM   #16 
     - They're disputed territories, as Abbas recently admitted. Jordan illegally occupying the land...  shira   Sep-27-11 05:54 PM   #25 
        - So this is your defense of settlement expansion..you're a genuine  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 06:05 PM   #26 
           - Expansion? Within existing blocs that will undoubtedly be part of Israel?  shira   Sep-27-11 06:40 PM   #28 
              - You need one of those unilateral T-Shirts and as I have said before  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 06:44 PM   #29 
                 - Too bad Abbas said the territories are disputed. Guess he missed the memo.  shira   Sep-27-11 07:11 PM   #31 
                 - You think he is unaware of international law? You're funny.  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 07:18 PM   #32 
                    - fyi, Abbas didn't say that and the poster is aware of that...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-28-11 09:33 AM   #50 
                       - Of course, Palestinian leaders are always misquoted or misinterpreted.  shira   Sep-28-11 12:06 PM   #55 
                       - Read the following very carefully before responding...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-29-11 06:02 AM   #76 
                       - Thanks, but I think the reason is more about anyone who may not  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 12:12 PM   #57 
                       - I'm pretty sure you might be right there n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-30-11 06:09 PM   #88 
                          - Considering the responses, seems that way.  Jefferson23   Sep-30-11 06:26 PM   #89 
                             - Certainly does....  Violet_Crumble   Sep-30-11 06:47 PM   #90 
                       - He has said it and there are direct quotes from him using the word disputed  oberliner   Sep-28-11 04:41 PM   #71 
                          - Yep, here's Abbas admitting to disputed territory...  shira   Sep-28-11 05:01 PM   #72 
                          - I'm sure he has used the word 'disputed' in the past. That's not the point...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-29-11 06:11 AM   #77 
                             - I thought you just told Shira to read very carefully some nonsense  King_David   Sep-30-11 07:44 AM   #84 
                                - No, I didn't tell Shira to read some nonsense...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-30-11 08:55 AM   #85 
                                   - The story changes after Oberliners post. Ha Ha  King_David   Sep-30-11 10:57 AM   #86 
                                      - No, it doesn't. Let's go through the entire exchange to help you understand...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-30-11 06:08 PM   #87 
                 - I read it.  Shaktimaan   Sep-28-11 02:46 AM   #48 
                    - Take note please:  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 12:08 PM   #56 
                       - you are entitled to your opinion.  Shaktimaan   Sep-28-11 07:51 PM   #74 
                          - I based my opinion on the ruling. I could answer you with an opinion  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 08:14 PM   #75 
                             - the ruling?  Shaktimaan   Sep-29-11 02:26 PM   #80 
                                - Yes, the ruling.  Jefferson23   Sep-29-11 04:39 PM   #81 
  - What international regulations are there for neighborhood redevelopment?  vminfla   Sep-27-11 04:25 PM   #22 
     - Read the ICJ ruling, advisory 2004. n/t  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 05:50 PM   #23 
        - A non-binding resolution that would have resulted in loss of life  vminfla   Sep-27-11 08:46 PM   #35 
           - I don't need anything else, Israel does and they're out of excuses,  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 09:11 PM   #36 
              - Israel focuses on results  vminfla   Sep-27-11 09:21 PM   #37 
                 - Permits issued, that's a nice one for a pro-settler movement t-shirt too.  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 09:27 PM   #38 
                    - The wall saves lives  vminfla   Sep-27-11 09:32 PM   #39 
                       - Yea, it was just a coincidence where they placed it. Getting away  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 09:40 PM   #40 
                          - So saving lives is bad?  vminfla   Sep-27-11 09:50 PM   #41 
                             - No link from you, you sure you really want to do a death toll comparison?  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 09:57 PM   #42 
                                - Wikipedia  vminfla   Sep-27-11 10:08 PM   #43 
                                   - You can ignore international law, but be aware, there are consequences for  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 12:18 PM   #58 
                                      - Argumentum ad Populum  vminfla   Sep-28-11 02:47 PM   #63 
                                         - No, that is not applicable..the ICJ is an international court, and the  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 02:57 PM   #64 
                                            - The ICJ provided an "advisory opinion"  vminfla   Sep-28-11 03:30 PM   #66 
                                               - Anyone that appreciates the rights of all human beings would urge  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 03:35 PM   #67 
                                                  - Asked and answered  vminfla   Sep-28-11 03:49 PM   #68 
                                                  - Please....anyone interested in the rights of Palestinians would be against a Palestinian state...  shira   Sep-28-11 04:27 PM   #69 
  - apparently Jerusalems zoning laws don't stop Haredi from living in parking garages  azurnoir   Sep-27-11 03:43 PM   #18 
  - Times are tough everywhere  vminfla   Sep-27-11 04:02 PM   #19 
  - Do you live in a  Crunchy Frog   Sep-27-11 10:41 PM   #44 
  - Nice thread for the pro-settlement crowd. n/t  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 05:52 PM   #24 
  - Thank heavens I've got the vast majority on ignore.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-27-11 10:55 PM   #45 
  - Yes, make sure...  holdencaufield   Sep-28-11 12:33 AM   #46 
  - I have to admit it is tempting sometimes.  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 12:22 PM   #59 
     - I figure I'm on a progressive web site because I don't care to read RW views.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-28-11 05:53 PM   #73 
  - There is no "pro-settlement crowd"  oberliner   Sep-28-11 04:29 PM   #70 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-11 06:21 AM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-11 05:50 PM   #82 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-11 07:30 PM   #83 
  - WATCH: Obama stresses U.S. commitment to Israel in Rosh Hashanah message  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 06:20 PM   #27 
  - Israel approves new housing despite pleas for delay  bemildred   Sep-28-11 08:48 AM   #49 
  - Shovel ready projects should be greenlighted  vminfla   Sep-28-11 09:38 AM   #51 
  - but Netanyahu said he's willing to negotiate right after the building plans were announced  azurnoir   Sep-28-11 09:44 AM   #52 
     - Sure he will "negotiate", they've been "negotiating" for decades now.  bemildred   Sep-28-11 09:48 AM   #53 
  - Egypt slams Israel over new construction in East Jerusalem  bemildred   Sep-28-11 11:04 AM   #54 
  - Don't forget it's "unilateral" too  vminfla   Sep-28-11 12:23 PM   #60 
  - You need another: "condemned Israel's unilateral plan..." nt  bemildred   Sep-28-11 12:28 PM   #62 
     - Shame on you! Calling any plan of Israel's unilateral is anti-Israel!!  Violet_Crumble   Sep-29-11 06:23 AM   #79 
  - Keep it up Bibi, no one is watching nor cares.  Jefferson23   Sep-28-11 12:26 PM   #61 
  - Settlements  Centrist2011   Oct-01-11 06:15 PM   #91 
  - Curiously, Israel double crosses itself  Cherchez la Femme   Oct-02-11 06:31 PM   #92 
 

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