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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 07:06 AM
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52. Why do you think the BDS'ers and J-Street are joining with rightwingers against the UN bid?
As to the rest of your post...

The current most extreme rightwingers in the Israeli gov't are definitely rightwingers. But if you could show how any Palestinian leaders are to the left of these rightwingers, that'd be great. Maybe make up a list of leftwing, liberal values, practices, and beliefs and do a side by side comparison...

I think you'll find Israel's rightwing leaders to the left of any Palestinian leaders on pretty much every single issue.

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  -Can somebody explain Palestine's UN status request? philly_bob  Sep-17-11 09:16 AM   #0 
  - Statehood  TexasProgresive   Sep-17-11 09:21 AM   #1 
  - In international law, states have legal rights and responsibilities which non-states do not.  bemildred   Sep-17-11 09:36 AM   #2 
  - Except that the PA  JoDog   Sep-17-11 11:55 AM   #8 
  - Good luck with all that. nt  bemildred   Sep-17-11 12:14 PM   #9 
  - Just about every allegation in this post is wrong...  shaayecanaan   Sep-18-11 12:30 AM   #40 
  - Don't forget the way the post referred to the West Bank as Judea and Samaria...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 03:00 AM   #41 
  - IMO someone saw the opportunity for a 'teaching moment'  azurnoir   Sep-18-11 03:18 AM   #43 
  - My teeth feel the same way when Germany  King_David   Sep-18-11 03:14 PM   #74 
     - Are you claiming the West Bank is part of Israel?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-20-11 08:17 AM   #89 
  - You're still claiming the Palestine Papers show there was a Palestinain peace offer ....  shira   Sep-18-11 09:30 AM   #60 
  - this post is a mess  Shaktimaan   Sep-20-11 01:28 AM   #88 
     - You won't get far trying to make sense of it, or disputing it either.  bemildred   Sep-20-11 08:54 AM   #90 
  - Those responsibilities make shooting rockets from Gaza a real act of war  hack89   Sep-17-11 02:10 PM   #11 
     - So a state of war still exists, right?  bemildred   Sep-17-11 02:40 PM   #13 
        - Not with the Palestinians  hack89   Sep-17-11 02:56 PM   #14 
           - Which is why they need a state, responsibility and authority go together.  bemildred   Sep-17-11 05:08 PM   #19 
              - Except Hamas wants nothing to do with a Palestinian state  hack89   Sep-17-11 10:29 PM   #35 
              - So then we should do it just to annoy Hamas, eh?  bemildred   Sep-17-11 11:11 PM   #37 
                 - They have to get it right the first time - there will no second chances  hack89   Sep-18-11 09:03 AM   #59 
                    - So you feel we need to appease Hamas? Make sure not to offend them? nt  bemildred   Sep-18-11 09:59 AM   #64 
                       - No - you have to take their threat seriously  hack89   Sep-18-11 10:09 AM   #66 
                          - I expect a civil war. How the hell do think Gaza got to be the way it is in the first place?  bemildred   Sep-18-11 10:13 AM   #67 
                             - With Israel to clean up the mess when they are done?  hack89   Sep-18-11 11:39 AM   #69 
                                - It seems a bit late, not to say contrary to the facts, to say Israel is not involved?  bemildred   Sep-18-11 12:36 PM   #71 
              - when does that song stop?  pelsar   Sep-17-11 11:39 PM   #38 
                 - Why would you bomb Ramallah to stop rockets from Gaza?  bemildred   Sep-18-11 12:02 AM   #39 
                    - in war, the generals are responsible for the attacks...  pelsar   Sep-18-11 07:23 AM   #56 
                    - Where's Israel's army HQ based? n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 07:30 AM   #57 
                    - Let me see if I can explain:  bemildred   Sep-18-11 09:56 AM   #63 
                       - they already have the means....  pelsar   Sep-18-11 01:08 PM   #73 
                       - if they get their state and sharp knife....  pelsar   Sep-19-11 12:00 PM   #83 
                          - Some random thoughts:  bemildred   Sep-19-11 12:52 PM   #84 
                             - yes i do agree that lighting a fire gets things moving....  pelsar   Sep-19-11 01:32 PM   #85 
                                - No guts, no glory.  bemildred   Sep-19-11 02:49 PM   #86 
                    - Aren't you needed in that other thread?  King_David   Sep-18-11 12:57 PM   #72 
  - Palestine is asking for statehood status the security council ultimately has to OK that  azurnoir   Sep-17-11 09:36 AM   #3 
  - They will approach the General Assembly  Harmony Blue   Sep-17-11 10:00 AM   #4 
  - No they won't  oberliner   Sep-17-11 03:12 PM   #15 
  - DP.  Harmony Blue   Sep-17-11 10:00 AM   #5 
  - Palestinians See U.N. Bid as Best Option Available  bemildred   Sep-17-11 10:34 AM   #6 
  - I predict no US veto  oberliner   Sep-17-11 03:14 PM   #17 
     - I am in doubt. Not that I disagree, your proposition is plausible, but I will have to see it. nt  bemildred   Sep-17-11 05:09 PM   #20 
        - It depends on the EU countries really  oberliner   Sep-17-11 08:00 PM   #31 
           - Well, I have no clue at that level, let's see how right you are.  bemildred   Sep-17-11 08:38 PM   #32 
           - It will be very hard for the UK to vote yes...  shaayecanaan   Sep-17-11 09:20 PM   #34 
           - If the UK and France abstain, the US won't need to exercise its veto  oberliner   Sep-18-11 06:08 AM   #49 
              - How many members are in the UNSC ? By my count there are 15  azurnoir   Sep-18-11 09:42 AM   #61 
                 - There are 15  oberliner   Sep-18-11 09:49 AM   #62 
                    - yes I saw that can I ask what lead you to this conclusion? n/t  azurnoir   Sep-18-11 10:46 AM   #68 
                       - Articles that I've read, news items that I've seen, etc.  oberliner   Sep-18-11 04:30 PM   #75 
                          - well there is a thread currently running here in I/P  azurnoir   Sep-18-11 09:40 PM   #81 
                             - That's crazy  oberliner   Sep-19-11 05:38 AM   #82 
           - It'll be interesting to see how it goes n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 03:06 AM   #42 
              - I think I might want to flip Gabon and Bosnia  oberliner   Sep-18-11 04:48 PM   #76 
  - Full membership in the UN  aranthus   Sep-17-11 11:44 AM   #7 
  - I don't think the US will veto  oberliner   Sep-17-11 03:13 PM   #16 
  - Q+A: The implications of the Palestinian U.N. drive  bemildred   Sep-17-11 12:24 PM   #10 
  - It is more accurate to say part of Palestine is seeking statehood  hack89   Sep-17-11 02:12 PM   #12 
  - To become a state.  LeftishBrit   Sep-17-11 04:49 PM   #18 
  - Precisely.  bemildred   Sep-17-11 05:17 PM   #21 
     - J-Street and the BDS movement are against it too. Are they rightwingers? n/t  shira   Sep-17-11 05:24 PM   #22 
        - Is Hamas?  bemildred   Sep-17-11 05:28 PM   #23 
           - Spinning opposition to the UN bid as "rightwing" is disingenuous given J-Street is against it...  shira   Sep-17-11 05:32 PM   #24 
           - Aren't you needed in that other thread?  bemildred   Sep-17-11 05:42 PM   #25 
           - Nah, someone asked a question and it deserves to be answered honestly and accurately. n/t  shira   Sep-17-11 06:15 PM   #27 
           - But you said that BDS was right-wing...  shaayecanaan   Sep-17-11 09:15 PM   #33 
              - Don't bother. nt  bemildred   Sep-17-11 11:08 PM   #36 
              - I should really take up gardening (nt)  shaayecanaan   Sep-18-11 03:38 AM   #45 
                 - Well, to be fair, I'm enjoying the lesson on what's left or right-wing...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 05:58 AM   #48 
                 - You strongly support BDS. They're against the UN bid. You must be disappointed....  shira   Sep-18-11 06:52 AM   #50 
                    - No, can't say it bothers me too much if they do or not...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 06:56 AM   #51 
                       - Why do you think the BDS'ers and J-Street are joining with rightwingers against the UN bid?  shira   Sep-18-11 07:06 AM   #52 
                          - I've got no idea...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 07:08 AM   #53 
                             - Of course not...  shira   Sep-18-11 07:11 AM   #54 
                                - Yep, that's pretty much the size of it...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 07:18 AM   #55 
                                   - Do you think Abbas is to the left of Avigdor Lieberman? n/t  shira   Sep-18-11 07:41 AM   #58 
                 - You can bother if you want, just don't do it on my account.  bemildred   Sep-18-11 10:06 AM   #65 
              - I wrote "supposedly" leftwing. Hell, you think they're leftwing...  shira   Sep-18-11 05:04 AM   #46 
                 - They issued another position paper around one month ago...  shaayecanaan   Sep-18-11 06:28 PM   #79 
           - Rude nt  King_David   Sep-17-11 06:47 PM   #28 
              - And typical. n/t  shira   Sep-17-11 06:50 PM   #29 
  - Is Palestine going to Security Council or General Assembly?  philly_bob   Sep-17-11 06:05 PM   #26 
  - Security Council first, then the General Assembly.  aranthus   Sep-17-11 07:38 PM   #30 
  - They're asking to become a full member of the UN...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-11 03:24 AM   #44 
  - MJ Rosenberg says PA bid should be contingent on recognizing Israel as Jewish state....  shira   Sep-18-11 05:27 AM   #47 
  - He is suggesting the US could make this offer along with specific  Jefferson23   Sep-18-11 12:21 PM   #70 
  - As usual, MJR doesn't know what he's talking about.  aranthus   Sep-18-11 05:04 PM   #77 
     - Obama voting yes at the Security Council has a chance in your opinion?  Jefferson23   Sep-18-11 06:06 PM   #78 
        - Probably not.  aranthus   Sep-18-11 08:08 PM   #80 
  - The PA's request is for the world to recognize and support a terror state...  shira   Sep-19-11 03:16 PM   #87 

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