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rapmanej Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:38 AM
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2. Welp
this will end well
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  -Erdogan: Turkish navy to protect Gaza aid formercia  Sep-09-11 07:09 AM   #0 
  - Good for Turkey, glad to see some positive news for a change.  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 07:30 AM   #1 
  - That video is disgusting. It looked like the ME version of our republican teabagger party n/t  Submariner   Sep-09-11 08:28 AM   #4 
  - The similarities are eerie, aren't they?The majority of Israelis dont act like that, fortunately,but  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 09:11 AM   #11 
  - Positive news? Turkey is returning the shipment of Israeli drones?  aquart   Sep-09-11 08:55 AM   #8 
     - Positive news? The US, Israel, and NATO are stopping the ACTUAL USE of drones globally?  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 10:22 AM   #28 
        - So Turkey the righteous is going to keep killing Kurds.  aquart   Sep-09-11 02:24 PM   #50 
  - Welp  rapmanej   Sep-09-11 07:38 AM   #2 
  - Wait. Turkish warships are going to enter waters the Israeli navy patrols?  FLPanhandle   Sep-09-11 07:44 AM   #3 
  - yeah...  rapmanej   Sep-09-11 09:18 AM   #13 
  - Hopefully...  BadtotheboneBob   Sep-09-11 08:51 AM   #5 
  - Yes, like all that aid that the US sends to Israel is humanitarian  cpwm17   Sep-09-11 09:21 AM   #15 
     - No aid to Gaza has been destroyed. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 10:03 AM   #23 
        - Careful, plodding literalism may cause cancer.  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 11:17 AM   #31 
           - Out right lies can too. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 11:19 AM   #33 
              - Well then, you'll make for a good test case.  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 11:24 AM   #36 
  - LOL. No hypocrisy there.  aquart   Sep-09-11 08:52 AM   #6 
  - Israel is like so totally rite cos like other governments murder people too amirite?  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 11:18 AM   #32 
  - So Turkey is going to start a Berlin Airlift for Gaza? nt  bemildred   Sep-09-11 08:53 AM   #7 
  - thank you Turkey  ensho   Sep-09-11 09:06 AM   #9 
  - For violating international law and provoking war? OK. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 09:08 AM   #10 
     - Violating what law?  cpwm17   Sep-09-11 09:17 AM   #12 
     - Per the UN and international law (the San Remo Manual)  hack89   Sep-09-11 09:25 AM   #16 
        - You need to learn that indigation trumps law 99.999 percent of the time  Dreamer Tatum   Sep-09-11 09:27 AM   #17 
        - That only applies if one would accept your version of history  cpwm17   Sep-09-11 09:43 AM   #19 
           - Go talk to the UN - they say the blockade is legal nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 09:45 AM   #20 
           - No they don't. A report commissioned by the Secretary General is not a UN statement.  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 11:20 AM   #34 
              - Did the Secretary General disavow the report? Is he evil too? nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 11:32 AM   #38 
                 - What's the name of this fallacy again? Something about irrelevancy, distraction, personalization?  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 12:41 PM   #39 
                    - So the Secretary General of the UN stands behind the report.  hack89   Sep-09-11 12:58 PM   #40 
                       - You forgot to throw in the kitchen sink.  JackRiddler   Sep-10-11 03:33 PM   #68 
           - the UN has declared  sabbat hunter   Sep-09-11 01:56 PM   #45 
           - Really does not matter...the blockade is being run by the book whether we like it or not  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 04:07 AM   #58 
     - So it is now against INTERNATIONAL law now to aid the sending of humanitarian aid?  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 09:19 AM   #14 
        - No - the blockade is legal per international law  hack89   Sep-09-11 09:27 AM   #18 
           - by any chance  rapmanej   Sep-09-11 10:01 AM   #21 
           - I have no idea. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 10:02 AM   #22 
           - Mubarak did, the new government does not (article with links included)  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 10:14 AM   #26 
           - Turkey is challenging that 'legality' at the International Court of Justice  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 10:04 AM   #24 
              - And the findings will only be accepted by Turkey  King_David   Sep-09-11 10:08 AM   #25 
              - The ICJ does not have jurisdiction  hack89   Sep-09-11 10:19 AM   #27 
              - Turkey will get the UN General Assembly to forward it, just like the 2004 ICJ case about the wall.  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 10:59 AM   #29 
                 - So the ICJ is going to overturn a UN investigation?  hack89   Sep-09-11 11:15 AM   #30 
                 - It's not a UN investigation. It's the Secretary General's advisory panel, not a UN body.  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 11:23 AM   #35 
                 - If the UN wants to make it self more irrelevant, more power to them I guess. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 11:31 AM   #37 
                 - +1000 nothing like a death-squad commanding presidente to add that little extra touch of UN gravitas  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 01:36 PM   #44 
                 - LOLOLOL @ "they don't need the court's help to sort out complex legal issues"  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 01:25 PM   #42 
                 - So politically appointed judges are any better?  hack89   Sep-09-11 01:31 PM   #43 
                 - a quick summary of the ICJ 15 judges vis-a-vis their home countries  stockholmer   Sep-09-11 02:12 PM   #48 
                 - Palmer, at least,  eyl   Sep-09-11 03:43 PM   #53 
                 - The UN report has no legal standing  azurnoir   Sep-09-11 02:03 PM   #46 
                 - And ICJ opinions are not binding  hack89   Sep-09-11 02:08 PM   #47 
                 - well yes Israel has seemed to refuse to abide by the ICJ ruling on the security wall n/t  azurnoir   Sep-09-11 02:16 PM   #49 
                 - Because is was not binding - they didn't have to. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 03:48 PM   #54 
                 - But you like UN decisions when you can cite them in support of USG aggressions, no?  JackRiddler   Sep-09-11 02:49 PM   #51 
                    - I think the UN needs to go away. nt  hack89   Sep-09-11 03:36 PM   #52 
                 - In fact, it's not even a "UN report," in the strictest sense. Thanks.  JackRiddler   Sep-10-11 03:34 PM   #69 
                 - What yr saying about the Palmer Report ruling on legality is completely incorrect...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:41 PM   #55 
                    - It can't be a contentious case  hack89   Sep-09-11 07:10 PM   #56 
                       - If it's heard by the ICJ, it will be a contentious case...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 01:06 AM   #57 
                          - Regardless of the reasons, it would be a non event  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 04:11 AM   #60 
                          - What would be a non event? The case being heard by the ICJ?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 05:35 AM   #62 
                             - With out mutual consent, it would be a non binding advisory opinion, a non event  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 05:38 AM   #63 
                                - If one or both don't agree to it, the case won't even be heard...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:07 AM   #64 
                                   - You assert that conclusion repeatedly, but it is irrelevant  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 11:54 AM   #66 
                                      - Well, I've only mentioned it twice so far, and it's definitely not irrelevant...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:09 PM   #70 
                                         - Mountains of PR?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-11-11 07:26 AM   #87 
                          - Israel, like any country, would be foolish to place their security in the hands of the UN  hack89   Sep-10-11 10:00 AM   #65 
                          - No-ones asking them to...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:19 PM   #71 
                             - There is no real legal dispute  hack89   Sep-10-11 09:16 PM   #72 
                                - so if you try to break the blockade you support Hamas is that your statement  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 09:36 PM   #73 
                                - The rules of blockade are clear  hack89   Sep-10-11 10:14 PM   #74 
                                   - so Israel allows food and medicine into Gaza by sea or by air ? n/t  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 10:22 PM   #75 
                                      - If the airplane or ship is first inspected by the Israeli government  hack89   Sep-10-11 10:30 PM   #76 
                                         - so no Israel does not allow food or medicine in to Gaza  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 10:41 PM   #77 
                                         - oops....egypt declared its own independent policy on gaza...forgot?  pelsar   Sep-10-11 11:53 PM   #78 
                                         - for foot traffic only not for aid shipments  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 11:56 PM   #79 
                                         - and so they decided.....egypt  pelsar   Sep-11-11 12:07 AM   #80 
                                         - when it comes to shipments by air or sea Israel is the only option for Gaza  azurnoir   Sep-11-11 12:10 AM   #81 
                                         - the questions is not the means of getting in the supplies its how...  pelsar   Sep-11-11 01:48 AM   #82 
                                         - what is obvious is that once again you are creating reality  azurnoir   Sep-11-11 02:02 AM   #83 
                                         - policies have changed....keep up  pelsar   Sep-11-11 03:08 AM   #84 
                                         - Egypt is sending additional security to Sinai which you interpret as the Gaza border  azurnoir   Sep-11-11 03:41 AM   #85 
                                         - Food and medicine are getting to Gaza.  hack89   Sep-11-11 07:56 AM   #89 
                                - If it's heading to the ICJ, there clearly is a legal dispute...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-11-11 03:55 AM   #86 
                                   - By your logic if the ICJ does not hear it, then it is not a legal dispute?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-11-11 07:40 AM   #88 
                                   - Not necessarily.  aranthus   Sep-11-11 03:00 PM   #91 
                          - If you were charged with a crime,  eyl   Sep-11-11 02:36 PM   #90 
                 - Advisory also means that the ICJ does not have jurisdiction  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 04:08 AM   #59 
              - Not going to happen  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 01:15 PM   #67 
  - What a suprise - oil is involved  hack89   Sep-09-11 01:09 PM   #41 
     - This seems a much better reason for Turkey's poutrage  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-10-11 04:11 AM   #61 
     - I thought it was gas.  aranthus   Sep-11-11 03:05 PM   #92 
 

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