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Fri Sep-09-11 08:55 AM
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| 8. Positive news? Turkey is returning the shipment of Israeli drones? |
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They've decided to stop killing Kurds? WOW! That IS news.
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| -Erdogan: Turkish navy to protect Gaza aid |
formercia |
Sep-09-11 07:09 AM |
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Good for Turkey, glad to see some positive news for a change. |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 07:30 AM |
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That video is disgusting. It looked like the ME version of our republican teabagger party n/t |
Submariner |
Sep-09-11 08:28 AM |
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The similarities are eerie, aren't they?The majority of Israelis dont act like that, fortunately,but |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 09:11 AM |
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Positive news? Turkey is returning the shipment of Israeli drones? |
aquart |
Sep-09-11 08:55 AM |
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Positive news? The US, Israel, and NATO are stopping the ACTUAL USE of drones globally? |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 10:22 AM |
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So Turkey the righteous is going to keep killing Kurds. |
aquart |
Sep-09-11 02:24 PM |
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Welp |
rapmanej |
Sep-09-11 07:38 AM |
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Wait. Turkish warships are going to enter waters the Israeli navy patrols? |
FLPanhandle |
Sep-09-11 07:44 AM |
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yeah... |
rapmanej |
Sep-09-11 09:18 AM |
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Hopefully... |
BadtotheboneBob |
Sep-09-11 08:51 AM |
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Yes, like all that aid that the US sends to Israel is humanitarian |
cpwm17 |
Sep-09-11 09:21 AM |
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No aid to Gaza has been destroyed. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 10:03 AM |
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Careful, plodding literalism may cause cancer. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 11:17 AM |
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Out right lies can too. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 11:19 AM |
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Well then, you'll make for a good test case. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 11:24 AM |
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LOL. No hypocrisy there. |
aquart |
Sep-09-11 08:52 AM |
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Israel is like so totally rite cos like other governments murder people too amirite? |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 11:18 AM |
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So Turkey is going to start a Berlin Airlift for Gaza? nt |
bemildred |
Sep-09-11 08:53 AM |
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thank you Turkey |
ensho |
Sep-09-11 09:06 AM |
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For violating international law and provoking war? OK. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 09:08 AM |
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Violating what law? |
cpwm17 |
Sep-09-11 09:17 AM |
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Per the UN and international law (the San Remo Manual) |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 09:25 AM |
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You need to learn that indigation trumps law 99.999 percent of the time |
Dreamer Tatum |
Sep-09-11 09:27 AM |
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That only applies if one would accept your version of history |
cpwm17 |
Sep-09-11 09:43 AM |
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Go talk to the UN - they say the blockade is legal nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 09:45 AM |
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No they don't. A report commissioned by the Secretary General is not a UN statement. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 11:20 AM |
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Did the Secretary General disavow the report? Is he evil too? nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 11:32 AM |
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What's the name of this fallacy again? Something about irrelevancy, distraction, personalization? |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 12:41 PM |
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So the Secretary General of the UN stands behind the report. |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 12:58 PM |
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You forgot to throw in the kitchen sink. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-10-11 03:33 PM |
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the UN has declared |
sabbat hunter |
Sep-09-11 01:56 PM |
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Really does not matter...the blockade is being run by the book whether we like it or not |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 04:07 AM |
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So it is now against INTERNATIONAL law now to aid the sending of humanitarian aid? |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 09:19 AM |
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No - the blockade is legal per international law |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 09:27 AM |
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by any chance |
rapmanej |
Sep-09-11 10:01 AM |
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I have no idea. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 10:02 AM |
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Mubarak did, the new government does not (article with links included) |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 10:14 AM |
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Turkey is challenging that 'legality' at the International Court of Justice |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 10:04 AM |
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And the findings will only be accepted by Turkey |
King_David |
Sep-09-11 10:08 AM |
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The ICJ does not have jurisdiction |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 10:19 AM |
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Turkey will get the UN General Assembly to forward it, just like the 2004 ICJ case about the wall. |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 10:59 AM |
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So the ICJ is going to overturn a UN investigation? |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 11:15 AM |
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It's not a UN investigation. It's the Secretary General's advisory panel, not a UN body. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 11:23 AM |
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If the UN wants to make it self more irrelevant, more power to them I guess. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 11:31 AM |
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+1000 nothing like a death-squad commanding presidente to add that little extra touch of UN gravitas |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 01:36 PM |
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LOLOLOL @ "they don't need the court's help to sort out complex legal issues" |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 01:25 PM |
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So politically appointed judges are any better? |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 01:31 PM |
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a quick summary of the ICJ 15 judges vis-a-vis their home countries |
stockholmer |
Sep-09-11 02:12 PM |
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Palmer, at least, |
eyl |
Sep-09-11 03:43 PM |
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The UN report has no legal standing |
azurnoir |
Sep-09-11 02:03 PM |
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And ICJ opinions are not binding |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 02:08 PM |
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well yes Israel has seemed to refuse to abide by the ICJ ruling on the security wall n/t |
azurnoir |
Sep-09-11 02:16 PM |
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Because is was not binding - they didn't have to. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 03:48 PM |
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But you like UN decisions when you can cite them in support of USG aggressions, no? |
JackRiddler |
Sep-09-11 02:49 PM |
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I think the UN needs to go away. nt |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 03:36 PM |
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In fact, it's not even a "UN report," in the strictest sense. Thanks. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-10-11 03:34 PM |
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What yr saying about the Palmer Report ruling on legality is completely incorrect... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-09-11 05:41 PM |
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It can't be a contentious case |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 07:10 PM |
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If it's heard by the ICJ, it will be a contentious case... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-10-11 01:06 AM |
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Regardless of the reasons, it would be a non event |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 04:11 AM |
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What would be a non event? The case being heard by the ICJ? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-10-11 05:35 AM |
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With out mutual consent, it would be a non binding advisory opinion, a non event |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 05:38 AM |
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If one or both don't agree to it, the case won't even be heard... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-10-11 06:07 AM |
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You assert that conclusion repeatedly, but it is irrelevant |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 11:54 AM |
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Well, I've only mentioned it twice so far, and it's definitely not irrelevant... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-10-11 06:09 PM |
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Mountains of PR? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-11-11 07:26 AM |
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Israel, like any country, would be foolish to place their security in the hands of the UN |
hack89 |
Sep-10-11 10:00 AM |
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No-ones asking them to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-10-11 06:19 PM |
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There is no real legal dispute |
hack89 |
Sep-10-11 09:16 PM |
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so if you try to break the blockade you support Hamas is that your statement |
azurnoir |
Sep-10-11 09:36 PM |
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The rules of blockade are clear |
hack89 |
Sep-10-11 10:14 PM |
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so Israel allows food and medicine into Gaza by sea or by air ? n/t |
azurnoir |
Sep-10-11 10:22 PM |
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If the airplane or ship is first inspected by the Israeli government |
hack89 |
Sep-10-11 10:30 PM |
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so no Israel does not allow food or medicine in to Gaza |
azurnoir |
Sep-10-11 10:41 PM |
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oops....egypt declared its own independent policy on gaza...forgot? |
pelsar |
Sep-10-11 11:53 PM |
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for foot traffic only not for aid shipments |
azurnoir |
Sep-10-11 11:56 PM |
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and so they decided.....egypt |
pelsar |
Sep-11-11 12:07 AM |
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when it comes to shipments by air or sea Israel is the only option for Gaza |
azurnoir |
Sep-11-11 12:10 AM |
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the questions is not the means of getting in the supplies its how... |
pelsar |
Sep-11-11 01:48 AM |
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what is obvious is that once again you are creating reality |
azurnoir |
Sep-11-11 02:02 AM |
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policies have changed....keep up |
pelsar |
Sep-11-11 03:08 AM |
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Egypt is sending additional security to Sinai which you interpret as the Gaza border |
azurnoir |
Sep-11-11 03:41 AM |
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Food and medicine are getting to Gaza. |
hack89 |
Sep-11-11 07:56 AM |
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If it's heading to the ICJ, there clearly is a legal dispute... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-11-11 03:55 AM |
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By your logic if the ICJ does not hear it, then it is not a legal dispute? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-11-11 07:40 AM |
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Not necessarily. |
aranthus |
Sep-11-11 03:00 PM |
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If you were charged with a crime, |
eyl |
Sep-11-11 02:36 PM |
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Advisory also means that the ICJ does not have jurisdiction |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 04:08 AM |
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Not going to happen |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 01:15 PM |
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What a suprise - oil is involved |
hack89 |
Sep-09-11 01:09 PM |
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This seems a much better reason for Turkey's poutrage |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-10-11 04:11 AM |
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I thought it was gas. |
aranthus |
Sep-11-11 03:05 PM |
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