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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-11 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Fair enough. We won't be in such extreme disagreement about that one...
When it comes to Gaza, I'm not sure one way or the other. While some aspects of an occupation are there (control of airspace, waters, and who enters and leaves Gaza*), others aren't (an occupying force being there)...

* Israel and Egypt seem to have been working together on Gaza's border crossings with Egypt, and I'm assuming that's now changed and Egypt alone controls the crossings)
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  -(Australian) PM takes wrong course on Palestinian statehood Violet_Crumble  Sep-08-11 05:34 AM   #0 
  - This article has so many holes in it...  shira   Sep-08-11 10:17 AM   #1 
  - That response has so many holes in it...  shaayecanaan   Sep-08-11 11:01 AM   #2 
  - Abbas just admitted the other day the land is disputed, not occupied...  shira   Sep-08-11 11:16 AM   #3 
     - Occupied land is by its very nature "disputed"  shaayecanaan   Sep-08-11 06:09 PM   #5 
     - Definition of occupation, according to Amnesty...  shira   Sep-09-11 04:43 AM   #6 
        - area B is under Israeli security area A is totally surronded by area's B and C  azurnoir   Sep-09-11 03:34 PM   #11 
           - By Amnesty's account and Int'l Law, Israel at best occupies  shira   Sep-09-11 05:28 PM   #14 
              - you never finish your title statement  azurnoir   Sep-09-11 05:50 PM   #17 
                 - Neither Gaza or the WB containing 95% of all Palestinians fit the legal definition of occupation...  shira   Sep-09-11 08:05 PM   #20 
                    - what fatuous claims  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 06:05 PM   #39 
                       - 95% of Palestinians in the WB are under no occupation - but PA rule. n/t  shira   Sep-10-11 08:40 PM   #41 
                          - no they are not as my previous post plainly showed  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 10:26 PM   #45 
     - So? Even if he did, he'd be wrong...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:51 AM   #7 
        - He did say it and it was reported in Arabic...  shira   Sep-09-11 02:01 PM   #9 
           - As I've already said, that's not a direct quote...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:19 PM   #12 
              - He's definitely claiming the WB is currently under dispute...  shira   Sep-09-11 08:02 PM   #18 
                 - No, he's not claiming anything of the sort. Please read my previous posts...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 01:13 AM   #21 
                    - In post #6, there's a link to Amnesty defining occupation based on Int'l Law...  shira   Sep-10-11 05:14 AM   #23 
                       - That looked applicable to the West Bank...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 05:38 AM   #25 
                          - How is it applicable to the WB? Did you read that excerpt from AI? n/t  shira   Sep-10-11 05:59 AM   #28 
                             - Israel's occupation of the West Bank meets the criteria in that excerpt...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:10 AM   #29 
                                - Yes, that's it. Read it a few times. Israel pulled its forces out and the PA/Hamas have governed...  shira   Sep-10-11 06:26 AM   #32 
                                   - I replied to you further down in the thread...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:31 AM   #34 
  - Of course the settlements are illegal under international law...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:58 AM   #8 
     - Not if they're in disputed territory, as Abbas has now admitted to.  shira   Sep-09-11 02:02 PM   #10 
        - There's absolutely no argument that the West Bank is occupied territory...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:22 PM   #13 
           - Not according to Amnesty for >95% of all Palestinians in the WB. See #6 above. n/t  shira   Sep-09-11 05:30 PM   #15 
              - Even the Israeli govt and Supreme Court recognise it as an occupation...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-09-11 05:43 PM   #16 
                 - Which parts of the WB? Before or after Palestinian autonomous rule due to Oslo? n/t  shira   Sep-09-11 08:04 PM   #19 
                    - The entire West Bank. Everything between the Green Line & the Jordan River...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 01:15 AM   #22 
                       - Amnesty and Int'l Law disagree. See the Amnesty quote and link in post #6.  shira   Sep-10-11 05:15 AM   #24 
                          - No, both view it as an occupation...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 05:42 AM   #26 
                             - The definition AI supplies based on Hague Conventions doesn't apply.  shira   Sep-10-11 05:59 AM   #27 
                                - Of course it applies...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:13 AM   #30 
                                   - Sorry, the excerpt from AI in post #6 above is quite clear. The IDF hasn't had effective control...  shira   Sep-10-11 06:21 AM   #31 
                                      - Well, it'd be clear to most people, including myself...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 06:30 AM   #33 
                                         - Let's go over the Amnesty/Hague definition of Occupation...  shira   Sep-10-11 06:44 AM   #35 
                                            - The IDF isn't the military authority in the West Bank??  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 07:20 AM   #36 
                                               - There are no IDF boots on the ground where >95% of all Palestinians live...  shira   Sep-10-11 08:03 AM   #37 
                                                  - IDF increases West Bank presence following Itamar terror attack  Violet_Crumble   Sep-10-11 05:38 PM   #38 
                                                  - Let's see if we can agree on something. Is Gaza occupied?  shira   Sep-10-11 08:43 PM   #42 
                                                  - Fair enough. We won't be in such extreme disagreement about that one...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-11-11 03:41 AM   #46 
                                                  - your claims are fatuous indeed  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 06:36 PM   #40 
                                                     - see #41. n/t  shira   Sep-10-11 08:43 PM   #43 
                                                     - you are still incorrect as the post you replied showed  azurnoir   Sep-10-11 10:19 PM   #44 
  - Israels UN Ambassador Held 70 Meetings With Counterparts  Scurrilous   Sep-08-11 06:04 PM   #4 

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