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Exilednight

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Sat Sep-03-11 03:23 PM
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79. You shoot tear gas into a compartment, you can also load it on a helicopter and

spray it like a barn stormer spraying a field crop. If you spray enough of it, it seeps into your clothes and causes irritation.

IDF could of sent wave after wave of helicopters and planes loaded with the stuff and sprayed the whole flotilla.

CS gas is a real mother and capable of being made in several strengths. Spray it long enough and people would be jumping overboard trying to wash it out of their skin.

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-UN report: Gaza blockade legal, Israel used excessive force	oberliner	Sep-01-11 05:52 PM	#0
- Report Finds Naval Blockade by Israel Legal but Faults Raid	King_David	Sep-01-11 06:02 PM	#1
- UN panel says Gaza blockade was legal	King_David	Sep-01-11 06:09 PM	#2
- Why does this not surprise me?	dgibby	Sep-01-11 06:19 PM	#3
- Ha	King_David	Sep-01-11 06:30 PM	#4
- Israeli official to Clinton: Declare Turkey a terror-supporting state	Fozzledick	Sep-01-11 07:51 PM	#5
- yepper so says Palmer a failed nonelected ex-PM of New Zealand	azurnoir	Sep-01-11 08:10 PM	#6
- Ha Ha nt	King_David	Sep-01-11 11:11 PM	#7
- Israel is worried about legal action against it's officers	azurnoir	Sep-01-11 11:40 PM	#8
- What this post has to do with you slagging Palmer	King_David	Sep-02-11 07:06 AM	#9
- lot's of things seem 'beyond' you	azurnoir	Sep-02-11 05:45 PM	#25
- In NZ, like here, the people elect a party to form government...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 07:51 AM	#10
- He leave politics completely now? nt	King_David	Sep-02-11 04:29 PM	#20
- What are you trying to say?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 05:11 PM	#21
- Sorry replied to the wrong post nt	King_David	Sep-02-11 06:14 PM	#26
- Not quite right on the US process...but not enough to impact the point you are making	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 01:27 PM	#59
- About time. The delays in releasing it were getting silly...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 07:57 AM	#11
- Turkey expels Israel envoy after Gaza flotilla report, freezes military ties	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 08:05 AM	#12
- Big mistake by Israel	Harmony Blue	Sep-02-11 10:22 AM	#15
- Turkey's been a lost cause since at least 2009 WRT relations with Israel.	shira	Sep-02-11 10:49 AM	#16
- Both Turkey and Israel have deeply rooted ties to religion	Harmony Blue	Sep-02-11 11:11 AM	#17
- Turkey hasn't been a military partner	eyl	Sep-02-11 02:46 PM	#19
- ah so Turkey has criticized Israel since OCL?	azurnoir	Sep-02-11 05:43 PM	#24
- Most analysts seem to agree	eyl	Sep-03-11 03:45 AM	#31
- Erdogan was Turkey's PM for 6 years prior to OCL	azurnoir	Sep-03-11 07:26 AM	#49
- Your point?	eyl	Sep-03-11 09:11 AM	#53
- first off the incident with Peres happened after the Mavi Mamara incident	azurnoir	Sep-03-11 01:46 PM	#62
- The incident with Peres	eyl	Sep-04-11 10:24 AM	#163
- the nearest thing to'snubbing' Peres -Turkish president rejects Peres’ snub claims 9/21/10	azurnoir	Sep-04-11 04:58 PM	#167
- You're correct	eyl	Sep-05-11 12:18 PM	#171
- Here is what Erdogan said	azurnoir	Sep-07-11 01:59 AM	#175
- Saying that Peres	eyl	Sep-08-11 08:35 AM	#176
- I just saw the report. It's 105 pages....	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 09:14 AM	#13
- I wonder where their use of force standards come from?	Mosby	Sep-02-11 11:27 AM	#18
- I don't know. Have you tried reading the report?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 05:13 PM	#22
- But, but.... I was told the blockade was illegal, Israelis murdered good, loving peace activists...	shira	Sep-02-11 10:07 AM	#14
- Well, you know how biased and anti-Israel the UN is!	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 05:14 PM	#23
- What do you think of the report's main conclusions?	shira	Sep-02-11 06:24 PM	#27
- What do you think its main conclusions are then?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 06:51 PM	#28
- Forget it. I don't have time for more of this nonsense. n/t	shira	Sep-02-11 08:38 PM	#29
- Yeah, actually reading a report is sooo nonsensical!	Violet_Crumble	Sep-02-11 09:00 PM	#30
- Translation: I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm going to insult you to try	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 05:42 AM	#32
- I asked a question and got the run around as usual. So why bother? n/t	shira	Sep-03-11 06:07 AM	#33
- You got asked a simple question as you'd admitted you'd read the report...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 06:11 AM	#34
- I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.	shira	Sep-03-11 06:15 AM	#36
- If you haven't read the report then you have no idea if Palmer's conclusions are correct. You have	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:28 AM	#39
- That is nonsense,	King_David	Sep-03-11 04:39 PM	#122
- So, what were the conclusions of the report?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:02 PM	#137
- Why? It is hard work reading it?	King_David	Sep-03-11 07:37 PM	#140
- No, where would you come up with such a silly idea?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:58 PM	#142
- No I do not 'agree with what was said'	King_David	Sep-03-11 08:14 PM	#143
- Thanks for the reply. You pointed out exactly what I found wrong with that piece n/t	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 06:27 AM	#154
- If you haven't read the report, then how do you know the aricle was right? He could	Exilednight	Sep-04-11 03:34 PM	#166
- And seeing you haven't read the report, I asked you what you think the main conclusions were...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 06:30 AM	#40
- You think the UN panel is wrong in saying the blockade is legal? n/t	shira	Sep-03-11 07:02 AM	#47
- You still haven't told me what you think the main conclusions are...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:08 AM	#48
- I won't hold my breath waiting, I guess n/t	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:33 AM	#50
- So you disagree with the UN panel WRT the legality of the blockade. Thanks. n/t	shira	Sep-03-11 07:45 AM	#51
- And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you think the main conclusions are...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:50 AM	#52
- Why you wasting your time	King_David	Sep-03-11 04:41 PM	#124
- I agree I'm wasting my time, but I'm hanging round hoping Shira will answer my question...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 05:16 PM	#128
- Interesting,	King_David	Sep-03-11 07:33 PM	#139
- Not really...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:53 PM	#141
- Mmhh that answer is difficult to understand	King_David	Sep-03-11 08:15 PM	#144
- Ah, that's such a shame! n/t	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 03:08 AM	#148
- You were asked a legitmate question. What do you think the	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:13 AM	#35
- I want to know what you guys think about the main conclusions....	shira	Sep-03-11 06:16 AM	#37
- You might as well just admit that you have no idea what you think the main conclusion should be	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:26 AM	#38
- The UN panel finds the blockade legal. What do you think about that? n/t	shira	Sep-03-11 06:37 AM	#41
- The UN is wrong. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:40 AM	#43
- Thanks. n/t	shira	Sep-03-11 07:01 AM	#46
- As always ? (when it comes to Israel)	King_David	Sep-03-11 11:24 AM	#54
- The UN is correct under LOS	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 01:28 PM	#60
- And what part of LOS are you basing this on? n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:15 PM	#76
- San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994 is	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:36 PM	#85
- You're avoiding the question. Exactly which part of LOS are you basing this on. Give me a link to	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:40 PM	#92
- Lets start with the Palmer report itself	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:05 PM	#109
- Article 102 would make the blockade illegal, and the Red Cross agrees. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:19 PM	#117
- That is indeed something under contention	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:40 PM	#123
- that's providing that Gaza actually had the facilities to move rockets in from the sea, but	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:44 PM	#125
- It documents active hostilities, one of the qualifiers for a blockade	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:48 PM	#126
- I would argue that it is only reasonable if Gaza had the means to remove rockets	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:54 PM	#127
- You are aware that shipments of military goods have been intercepted in the past?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 05:53 PM	#129
- And what was thier plan to unload them and move them to land? n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 05:56 PM	#130
- Fishing vessels/other small boats	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 06:01 PM	#131
- Doesn't sound feasible.	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:12 PM	#132
- It clearly was being done	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 06:22 PM	#133
- Small stuff like mortars and such could be moved in that way, but full scale missile	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:24 PM	#134
- Grads and components for Qassams could be handled easily	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 06:53 PM	#135
- To be fair she's probably waiting for a PalWatch video to be released...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 06:39 AM	#42
- Did you catch this part?	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 06:55 AM	#44
- Yeah, I read that bit...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 06:58 AM	#45
- the report states that the Israelis were attacked with metal bars, knives and guns	Mosby	Sep-03-11 11:36 AM	#55
- No guns were found.	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 12:04 PM	#56
- Two IDF soldiers were shot	Mosby	Sep-03-11 12:47 PM	#57
- The repost clearly contradicts itself in this area and tries to white wash the "passengers"	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 01:24 PM	#58
- There were claims of soldiers being shot, but there is no evidence. No guns were found, no	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 01:37 PM	#61
- Did you follow up on his citations?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 01:48 PM	#63
- Here are the citations that I found in the report:	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 01:50 PM	#64
- Look on page 57 where it says:	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:23 PM	#80
- Yes, i know what the numbers are. What is your point?	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:39 PM	#90
- The study accepted that soliders were indeed shot	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:44 PM	#97
- The report accepts it, but can't prove it. There's a difference. Claims were made	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:47 PM	#100
- The authors had no reason to give the IDF the benefit of the doubt	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:50 PM	#103
- But they did give IDF the benefit of the doubt	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:56 PM	#104
- As I stated earlier, the report contradicts itself in places	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:10 PM	#113
- its not really relevant if they had guns or not...	pelsar	Sep-03-11 02:08 PM	#65
- So killing 8 people is justifiable even though they were not armed with anything that posed	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 02:12 PM	#66
- is this one of those foolish arguments....where reality doesn't exist?	pelsar	Sep-03-11 02:32 PM	#67
- They don't have the ability to kill if they are going against trained commandos who	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 02:35 PM	#68
- So you are a green beret?	Mosby	Sep-03-11 02:53 PM	#69
- I was in 3rd group. I was an 18D junior medic. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 02:56 PM	#71
- Candystriper?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:18 PM	#78
- When I went through it was called SFAS	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:32 PM	#83
- I have family in the 1st of the 1st	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:37 PM	#88
- Now days, I imaginate that they aren't. SF is currently spread too thin	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:45 PM	#98
- then you should know better....	pelsar	Sep-03-11 02:54 PM	#70
- Knives aren't threatening with the tools the military has at their disposal. There are many	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 02:59 PM	#72
- in a crowd?	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:04 PM	#73
- wrong place.	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:08 PM	#74
- tear gas, ATM and RGES to name a few. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:09 PM	#75
- you've just failed "taking over boat" course 1	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:18 PM	#77
- You shoot tear gas into a compartment, you can also load it on a helicopter and	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:23 PM	#79
- Or, you could just keep the boat away from Gaza, no need to "take it over"	bemildred	Sep-03-11 03:30 PM	#81
- this should be good....	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:36 PM	#86
- Hi Pelsar, how are you doing? nt	bemildred	Sep-03-11 03:57 PM	#106
- actually proud (not related to this thread)	pelsar	Sep-03-11 04:17 PM	#116
- Indeed, I wish I could say the same.	bemildred	Sep-03-11 04:23 PM	#119
- This was another thought I had. Basically they could of set a	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:36 PM	#87
- Big sea, little ships is the problem with that approach	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:39 PM	#91
- Kennedy had enough to keep the Soviets out of Cuba. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:41 PM	#94
- That was not a shoulder to shoulder blockade as was suggested	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:48 PM	#101
- But Kennedy did consider ramming a Russian sub. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:57 PM	#105
- that is not even a serious argument...	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:49 PM	#102
- even better..sinking ships....	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:41 PM	#95
- Well, you certainly don't have to get impatient.	bemildred	Sep-03-11 04:06 PM	#110
- Or the boats could have not declared themselves blockade runners	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:40 PM	#93
- Speculation is such fun, isn't it? nt	bemildred	Sep-03-11 04:10 PM	#112
- great...so then they're jumping overboard...	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:31 PM	#82
- They didn't have anything to fear if they used different tactics and there's nothing to indicate	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:35 PM	#84
- so know you have the intelligence?	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:38 PM	#89
- There was only one boat where 8 people ended up dead, who says	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 03:43 PM	#96
- Reality is that under the LOS they should have not fought back and allowed inspection	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 03:47 PM	#99
- so know were back to where we started...	pelsar	Sep-03-11 03:57 PM	#107
- You're back to where you started. IDF took the wrong approach by sending in commandos with	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:03 PM	#108
- The problem started with the declaration of intent to run the blockade	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:09 PM	#111
- The report also says that Israel is just as wrong as does not remove fault	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:11 PM	#114
- I indeed meant shared responsibility	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 04:38 PM	#121
- The point is that they had every intention of creating a "problem",	bemildred	Sep-03-11 04:13 PM	#115
- paintball guns....	pelsar	Sep-03-11 04:22 PM	#118
- They also had 9mm weapons that were taken away from them. Again, there were other	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 04:26 PM	#120
- aren't paintball non violent weapons?	pelsar	Sep-03-11 06:54 PM	#136
- Pelsar, have you read the report?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-03-11 07:10 PM	#138
- i never read UN/NGO reports and findings	pelsar	Sep-04-11 02:56 AM	#147
- You should think about having a read of this one. It's very balanced...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 03:24 AM	#149
- Cut out the bullshit, Violet...	shira	Sep-04-11 05:52 AM	#151
- No bullshit from me, but there's a lot in yr post...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 06:26 AM	#153
- The same eyewitnesses say the IDF was shooting before rappelling down from choppers onto the ship.	shira	Sep-04-11 06:55 AM	#155
- Wasn't I clear enough for you?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 07:03 AM	#156
- Of course you believe that bullshit. It makes so much sense for the IDF to open fire...	shira	Sep-04-11 07:10 AM	#157
- I really wish you'd stop misrepresenting my views...	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 07:20 AM	#158
- Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-04-11 07:27 AM	#159
- Why aren't you bothering to read what I tell you?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 07:33 AM	#160
- Why don't you think those 'eyewitnesses' you trust have never condemned IHH Jew haters....	shira	Sep-04-11 07:42 AM	#161
- Why are you still totally ignoring what I said to you?	Violet_Crumble	Sep-04-11 07:49 AM	#162
- the actual operation was criticized heavily in israel	pelsar	Sep-05-11 01:58 AM	#168
- They hurt like hell when you get hit by one	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep-03-11 08:25 PM	#145
- I wouldn't consider a paintball gun any type of weapon, lethal or non. n/t	Exilednight	Sep-03-11 08:43 PM	#146
- well that sure makes it easy doesn't it?	pelsar	Sep-05-11 02:10 AM	#169
- What closed compartment?	eyl	Sep-04-11 10:36 AM	#164
- IDF in action.....keystone cops	pelsar	Sep-05-11 02:13 AM	#170
- My understanding is	eyl	Sep-05-11 02:42 PM	#172
- sounds like someone was 'covering their ass"	pelsar	Sep-05-11 05:52 PM	#173
- If some fool came at me with a metal rod or knife then that fool brought a	Dick Dastardly	Sep-04-11 05:00 AM	#150
- And NO ONE would blame you for popping some caps in his ass. We all know that.	shira	Sep-04-11 05:55 AM	#152
- Is that	eyl	Sep-04-11 01:46 PM	#165
- impressive	Shaktimaan	Sep-07-11 01:33 AM	#174

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