Reply #108: This is hysterical.

[Shaktimaan]

They'd be fighting anybody who did that to them. You think they wouldn't be fighting Jordan or the Ottomans if those power structures hadn't done the expulsions? You think they'd be fine with anybody else imposing collective punishment on them on a daily basis, carried out even to the point where there weren't humanitarian exceptions for letting people through checkpoints who really obviously were in need of immediate medical attention(like old women dying of heart attacks)?

Of course not. They wouldn't be fighting any of those people. Get real, how can you think this?
First of all, they did NOTHING for decades when the Jordanians actually TOOK their land and said it belonged to Jordan! When the PLO came into being they signed a document saying that they would never try and take that land away from Jordan, because they were freakin' scared of them.

And look at what happened in places where they then tried, a LITTLE bit to fight like you're suggesting. Remember Black September? Jordan did not hesitate to SLAUGHTER them by the thousands. And toss out their leadership. So then what Ken? They keep fighting like you say they would? Ummmm... nope.

Your thing about "humanitarian exceptions" is hysterical. You think that's an example of Israeli heartlessness, do you? The fact that you even think that shows you that Israel is playing on a whole different level than the Arab states. A normal, nice, easygoing level. Look up Hama, Syria one day. Humanitarian exceptions... dude, they PAVED that place over. They killed EVERYONE for organizing against Assad. Do you think anyone kept fighting afterwards?

For 20 years before '67 the Palestinians living in the OPT were forced to live in tents, not allowed to leave, etc. Did they rise up? Jordan took their land, forced them to accept citizenship but still made them live in refugee camps. Did they revolt? No?

Don't get me wrong. It's not that they're anti-semitic that they're fighting like this. That's not what I think at all. It is because the Israelis never put the hammer down on them. They can fight forever and take very moderate casualties. While the Arab states will actually wipe them out or expel them without a moments hesitation. They can defend against Israeli fighter planes who plan to bomb a house by getting villagers and children to stand on the roof waving flags. This will keep the pilot from firing! If it was Hamas flying the plane and the building was Israeli do you think that would make him abort the mission? Of course not!

Think about that. They actually have a military defense tactic that involves exploiting the Israeli pilots' reluctance to kill kids. Think they'd do this if they weren't 100% sure that the pilot would abort? Of course not. Now, do you think anyone would try this tactic against the Syrians? Probably not.

Why not Ken?