Tesha
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Tue Jun-14-11 01:12 PM
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| 1. Well, that's one opinion. Many of us feel that AA's actions are *SPOT-ON*. (NT) |
| -Amnesty International is losing its way |
shira |
Jun-14-11 01:00 PM |
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Well, that's one opinion. Many of us feel that AA's actions are *SPOT-ON*. (NT) |
Tesha |
Jun-14-11 01:12 PM |
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You think that they are spot on to provide a platform for people who claim that |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 01:16 PM |
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Zionism is racist and unjust. |
provis99 |
Jun-14-11 01:39 PM |
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Be honest. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 01:56 PM |
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Ugly untruthful post nt |
King_David |
Jun-14-11 02:44 PM |
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None of the three who have said this on this thread have even tried to defend what they posted. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 06:47 PM |
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Speaks to the dishonesty of a position they're incapable of defending. |
shira |
Jun-15-11 01:35 AM |
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Because it is. |
damntexdem |
Jun-14-11 02:55 PM |
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Not an answer. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 03:01 PM |
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Perhaps you should just search older posts in this forum. |
Tesha |
Jun-14-11 04:42 PM |
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Well if you don't think your position is worth defending |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 05:16 PM |
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Now, I just don't think your position will shift one jot; reiterating all the arguments... |
Tesha |
Jun-14-11 05:37 PM |
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I'm giving you an opportunity to not be thought of as merely hateful. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 05:44 PM |
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I'm confident that I'm not thought of as hateful just because I reject Zionism. (NT) |
Tesha |
Jun-14-11 06:23 PM |
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Nice world you live in. Call when you get to earth. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-11 06:43 PM |
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News Flash: In the real world, being anti-zionist does not equal antisemitism. At least not |
Exilednight |
Jun-15-11 10:18 PM |
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Newsflash |
King_David |
Jun-15-11 10:30 PM |
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"'a Jewish person who support's Israel's existence.' is a Zionist ." |
azurnoir |
Jun-15-11 11:50 PM |
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Yea and ? |
King_David |
Jun-16-11 12:16 AM |
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really I guess all you heard was bzzzzz, as you looked up ?n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-16-11 12:59 AM |
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what he said was perfectly accurate. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 08:31 PM |
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Zionism is support of a Jewish state. Israel should not be an official Jewish state. |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 05:52 PM |
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Do you think France should not be a French state? |
aranthus |
Jun-16-11 06:18 PM |
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I believe that France should be a French state, but being French is not a religion. Being Arab is |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:40 PM |
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Then you don't understand what it means to be a Jew or an antisemite. |
aranthus |
Jun-15-11 11:57 PM |
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Good Post nt |
King_David |
Jun-16-11 11:52 AM |
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Why does it have to be a Jewish state? Why can't it be secular? n/t |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 05:53 PM |
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Because it's not about religion. It's about national culture. |
aranthus |
Jun-16-11 06:16 PM |
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Being French is not grounded in religion. Being Jewish is. |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:35 PM |
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No it isn't. Jewishness if both religion and nation. |
aranthus |
Jun-16-11 10:02 PM |
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You can be Jewish without living in Israel. I know plenty of people who do. Tying the two together |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 10:05 PM |
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Even if every Jew in Israel became xtian or atheist it would still be the homeland for Jews... |
shira |
Jun-17-11 07:59 AM |
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What? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 04:16 PM |
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Being Jewish is not the same as being Israeli. Why is the falsehood continually pushed that being |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 05:57 PM |
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who said they are synonymous? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 06:46 PM |
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Well said n/t |
aranthus |
Jun-16-11 06:57 PM |
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Alright, let me say this again. I don't support a Jewish state. I don;t support a Jewish state |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:13 PM |
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Israel is a state for Jews. Whether religious or atheist. Get it? |
shira |
Jun-16-11 09:18 PM |
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No, I don;t see a difference because a difference does not exist. Jewishness is not |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:28 PM |
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Ah, but here is where you are wrong. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 10:24 PM |
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Tying yourself in knots with this post. |
King_David |
Jun-16-11 06:58 PM |
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I hold an Israeli passport. I hold Israeli citizenship. But I'm not Jewish. n/t |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:37 PM |
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And so ? ? nt |
King_David |
Jun-17-11 02:34 AM |
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who 'real world' the on line that so called Pro-Semites are trying to create ? |
azurnoir |
Jun-15-11 11:44 PM |
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No, it's not. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 03:57 PM |
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I would also deny Christians their right to national unity and self-determination - yet I'm a |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:25 PM |
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If the majority xtian population of a xtian state became atheist, it would cease being a xtian state |
shira |
Jun-17-11 08:08 AM |
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I don't disagree with that. The stumbling block is religion in politics. No matter |
Exilednight |
Jun-18-11 09:52 AM |
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Jun-15-11 10:28 PM |
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"How am I supposed to know whether there's anything on this site that legitimately |
Exilednight |
Jun-15-11 09:57 PM |
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Well, in fact, Zionism IS a pernicious ideology that is both racist and unjust." |
damntexdem |
Jun-14-11 02:54 PM |
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Do you think that all forms of nationalism are racist, unjust and pernicious? |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-11 04:37 PM |
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I don't see why it matters much if he's consistent. |
aranthus |
Jun-15-11 05:15 PM |
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I will take NGO Monitor more seriously on such matters... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-11 04:31 PM |
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Legit criticism is legit criticism. If you find anything false in the OP, let me know... |
shira |
Jun-14-11 04:39 PM |
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What is false in the OP is: |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-15-11 03:19 AM |
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Seriously? Amnesty has spent far more time and resources on Israel than on Libya or Syria |
shira |
Jun-15-11 03:53 AM |
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X |
shira |
Jun-15-11 04:24 AM |
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There are many right-wing pro-Israeli types that will attempt to knock down anything with the |
Exilednight |
Jun-15-11 10:08 PM |
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So you don't mind in 2009 over 600 reports by AI on Israel vs. only 6 reports on Libya? |
shira |
Jun-16-11 03:52 AM |
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Nope, not at all, if it were true. But a google search provided far more than |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 06:05 PM |
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It is true for 2009. And if you have no problem with that... |
shira |
Jun-16-11 08:21 PM |
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I got over 34 million hits for 2009 libyan human rights reports on google. Even if only |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:21 PM |
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We're talking amnesty international 2009 Libya vs. Israel. And you said earlier you don't mind... |
shira |
Jun-17-11 07:57 AM |
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You edited your post with the original statistic. Originally you had NGOs like AI. |
Exilednight |
Jun-18-11 09:57 AM |
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I don't understand this logic. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 08:26 PM |
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Israel does not achieve the standard that you say it does. If it did, then it wouldn't have |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:16 PM |
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Well then Libya must be achieving a high standard b/c it has so few reports... |
shira |
Jun-16-11 09:19 PM |
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I debunked the myth you are attempting to spread. See post #32. n/t |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 09:41 PM |
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What myth? And #32 is someone else's post, not yours. n/t |
shira |
Jun-17-11 07:55 AM |
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Sorry, post #52. Wasn't wearing my glasses. |
Exilednight |
Jun-18-11 09:58 AM |
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That is circular logic at best. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 09:49 PM |
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I'n insinuating no such thing. I'm just arguing that no country can call itself |
Exilednight |
Jun-16-11 10:01 PM |
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@Leftish Brit: A very good point. It's good when surrounded by blinkered people to remind everyone |
tootrueleft |
Jun-14-11 06:35 PM |
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It's legit criticism. Oh now don't tell me you're against any criticism of organizations |
shira |
Jun-15-11 01:41 AM |
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Two more articles: Amnesty's Disproportion and Amnesty's Dirty Little Secret |
shira |
Jun-15-11 04:27 AM |
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So some people keep saying; but I have found FAR more material on China, Sudan, etc. than on |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-16-11 03:27 AM |
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In 2009 there were 6 total reports on Libya compared to over 600 on Israel by AI... |
shira |
Jun-16-11 03:51 AM |
#38 |
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