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tootrueleft Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 05:29 PM
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88. Still barking in between changing the subject little doggie?
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  -Haaretz exclusive: Secret cables show Israel's battle plan over Palestinian UN bid bemildred  Jun-10-11 10:50 AM   #0 
  - Its obscene. Opposing to others that which they were given by the UN themselves.  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 11:06 AM   #1 
  - Israel has delegitimized itself. Completely.  Eagle Mall   Jun-10-11 11:54 AM   #2 
  - Can someone explain why Israel is so against the Palestine UN bid for recognition?......  kayecy   Jun-10-11 12:39 PM   #3 
  - Yeah, they seem to be freaking out.  bemildred   Jun-10-11 02:08 PM   #4 
  - Because the zionists ruling the country will have to give up their 'greater israel' land theft dream  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 02:34 PM   #5 
     - The 2008 Olmert deal would have ended the 'greater Israel' vision...  shira   Jun-10-11 02:50 PM   #7 
        - Not like the peaceful israelis, right? LOL!!  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:14 PM   #8 
        - Why did the peaceful PA reject the 2008 Olmert deal? No good answer for that, huh? n/t  shira   Jun-10-11 03:18 PM   #10 
           - Why did the PEACEFUL israels kill hundreds of innocent women and children?  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:19 PM   #11 
              - More typical diversion and evasion...  shira   Jun-10-11 03:21 PM   #13 
                 - Oh thats right- 'peaceful'. What you demand palestinians should be while  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:26 PM   #16 
        - Olmerts plan was BS and you know that don't you  azurnoir   Jun-10-11 03:39 PM   #18 
           - The folks at the Geneva Initiative praised it and said it was similar to their proposal...  shira   Jun-10-11 06:52 PM   #23 
              - the 'problems with Olmerts offer that I pointed out are fact n/t  azurnoir   Jun-10-11 11:07 PM   #25 
                 - Abbas said the gaps were too wide and didn't even offer a counterproposal.  shira   Jun-11-11 06:36 AM   #28 
                    - Olmert announced he was 'stepping down' just a few days after his so called 'offer'  azurnoir   Jun-11-11 01:28 PM   #42 
                       - Abbas has never said anything since other than the gaps were too wide...  shira   Jun-11-11 01:34 PM   #43 
  - Here's why recognition is a problem...  shira   Jun-10-11 02:45 PM   #6 
     - Cue the sound of laughter between my ears after reading that.  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:17 PM   #9 
     - Typical diversion and evasion. n/t  shira   Jun-10-11 03:19 PM   #12 
        - Make a statement worth of a reply from reasonable people and you'll get one.  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:22 PM   #14 
           - I did. Seems you're incapable of having a grown-up conversation. Too bad...  shira   Jun-10-11 03:24 PM   #15 
              - LOL! And which one of us uses this 'liberal' board to support a right wing government in israel?  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:33 PM   #17 
              - I support Israel, whether Rabin/Meretz are in control or not...  shira   Jun-10-11 03:40 PM   #19 
              - Well I tell ya keep supporting israel and I'll keep supporting liberalism.  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 03:44 PM   #20 
                 - X  shira   Jun-10-11 05:07 PM   #21 
                 - Supporting ultra-right religious thugs like Hamas is the antithesis of liberalism.  Kurska   Jun-10-11 05:14 PM   #22 
                    - And who here supports hamas? This for us or against us crap fools nobody.  tootrueleft   Jun-10-11 09:21 PM   #24 
              - Do you think that Hamas and PA represent liberal ideals?  hack89   Jun-11-11 10:40 AM   #34 
                 - such a liberal view  azurnoir   Jun-11-11 01:36 PM   #44 
                    - No, we must condemn them because they want to deny fundamental human rights  hack89   Jun-11-11 05:33 PM   #46 
                       - The PA is a theocracy? do tell lol n/t  azurnoir   Jun-12-11 01:02 PM   #55 
                          - You think it's liberal to ignore or whitewash what the PA and Hamas do, while being a megaphone...  shira   Jun-12-11 01:49 PM   #59 
                          - while I am being a 'megaphone' for what again?  azurnoir   Jun-12-11 03:11 PM   #63 
                          - When Hamas wins the upcoming civil war  hack89   Jun-12-11 04:03 PM   #64 
                             - sounds like 'wishful thinking' on someones part to me n/t  azurnoir   Jun-13-11 12:31 PM   #78 
                                - You really think Hamas will embrace liberal democracy?  hack89   Jun-13-11 12:40 PM   #80 
                                   - No I think Hamas will remain Hamas however  azurnoir   Jun-13-11 01:36 PM   #82 
                                      - Worked really well in Iran, didn't it?  hack89   Jun-13-11 03:23 PM   #83 
                                         - Gaza is not Iran but do keep trying n/t  azurnoir   Jun-13-11 03:26 PM   #84 
                                            - Same principle as Iran - violent groups don't give up power. nt  hack89   Jun-13-11 03:27 PM   #85 
                                               - sigh cling to your lurid fantasies if you must n/t  azurnoir   Jun-13-11 05:11 PM   #87 
                                                  - Nothing lurid about it - documented facts  hack89   Jun-13-11 05:54 PM   #90 
                                                  - All they have are throwaway lines, mocking and insults, no substance.  shira   Jun-13-11 06:53 PM   #92 
                                                  - I never said Hamas would change in fact I stated as much several posts back  azurnoir   Jun-14-11 12:36 AM   #94 
              - If the above poster is "spewing Hamas talking points" then you can be credited with  Exilednight   Jun-12-11 09:53 AM   #50 
                 - Israel is a liberal democracy & the vast majority of our Congressional Dems support Israel.  shira   Jun-12-11 12:19 PM   #52 
                    - The message from Labour would have been a lot different than the message from Likud'. Congress  Exilednight   Jun-12-11 12:44 PM   #54 
                       - Congress represents their people who are overwhelmingly pro-Israel as the polls show...  shira   Jun-12-11 01:07 PM   #56 
                          - America is not overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Your own poll you posted puts support for Israel below  Exilednight   Jun-12-11 01:10 PM   #57 
                             - Two-thirds according to CNN are sympathetic to Israel...  shira   Jun-12-11 01:47 PM   #58 
                                - According to the other link you posted, Pew showed only 48%. But keep pushing that one poll that is  Exilednight   Jun-12-11 02:22 PM   #60 
                                   - What do you make of 1% thinking the US should take the Palestinians' side?  shira   Jun-12-11 02:44 PM   #61 
                                      - Here's what I make of it. As a citizen of both countries, I can understand how  Exilednight   Jun-12-11 03:07 PM   #62 
     - What concessions, commitments and compromises did Israel make?......  kayecy   Jun-11-11 12:15 AM   #26 
        - UNSCR 242 states Israel will give back land for peace. The PA has done zero WRT peacemaking...  shira   Jun-11-11 06:35 AM   #27 
           - Obama seems to think that starting with the Green Line, the parties should negotiate ......  kayecy   Jun-11-11 07:24 AM   #29 
           - What makes you think the PA is interested in Obama's negotiations...  shira   Jun-11-11 08:11 AM   #30 
              - You seem to think that membership of the UN confirms something?......  kayecy   Jun-11-11 08:37 AM   #31 
                 - You believe the PA needs an even playing field after rejecting the Olmert 2008 offer? Why?  shira   Jun-11-11 09:15 AM   #32 
                    - A better compromise would be for both of them to commit to negotiating from the 67 lines......  kayecy   Jun-11-11 10:29 AM   #33 
                       - That's not a compromise from the PA, it's a one-sided concession.  shira   Jun-11-11 11:13 AM   #35 
                          - You are paranoid, aren't you!..........  kayecy   Jun-11-11 11:48 AM   #36 
                             - Please answer my question (in bold) from the last post. n/t  shira   Jun-11-11 12:04 PM   #37 
                                - A pleasure.......When you get round to responding to the original question...  kayecy   Jun-11-11 12:18 PM   #38 
                                   - I'm not demanding...  shira   Jun-11-11 12:29 PM   #39 
                                      - There you go again.......Demanding the Palestinians prove something that no one asked Israel to do..  kayecy   Jun-11-11 01:00 PM   #40 
                                         - UNSCR242 demands land in return for peace, not me.  shira   Jun-11-11 01:07 PM   #41 
                                            - R242 does not place demands on non-state parties......It does however, demand that Israel withdraw..  kayecy   Jun-11-11 02:01 PM   #45 
                                               - The PA agreed at Oslo to implement 242's land for peace via successful negotiations  shira   Jun-11-11 05:54 PM   #47 
                                                  - I hoped to find out whether your initial response was simply a way of wasting my time,....  kayecy   Jun-12-11 01:52 AM   #48 
                                                     - You're confused, and you're still not answering my questions.  shira   Jun-12-11 05:00 AM   #49 
           - UNSCR242 states the land is not isreals to give back in the first place. But nice try  tootrueleft   Jun-12-11 11:09 AM   #51 
              - UNSCR 242 and the Oslo Accords that the PA agreed to state land in exchange for genuine peace. n/t  shira   Jun-12-11 12:20 PM   #53 
                 - Who do we believe, you...or the actual words of UNSCR242? Hmmm......  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 05:44 AM   #65 
                    - Those are the actual words from UNSCR242 and what Pal'ns agreed to at Oslo in '93  shira   Jun-13-11 06:30 AM   #66 
                       - UHNSCR242: "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war"  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 08:44 AM   #67 
                          - Looks like you have a different understanding than the PA did when it signed on at Oslo.  shira   Jun-13-11 09:44 AM   #68 
                             - Like I said, I'll stick with the actual words & you stick with excusing israels illegality.  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 10:03 AM   #69 
                                - I figured you'd reject the facts, as though Oslo never happened and the PA never signed on.  shira   Jun-13-11 10:04 AM   #70 
                                   - Does oslo change the fact that land captured during wartime is inadmissible?  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 10:15 AM   #71 
                                      - It remains inadmissable but successful peace negotiations are still necessary...  shira   Jun-13-11 10:36 AM   #72 
                                      - Again, its not israels to 'turn over'. Theat why they're considered occupiers.  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 10:44 AM   #73 
                                         - But under UNSCR242 and Oslo 1993, Israel is not required....  shira   Jun-13-11 10:47 AM   #74 
                                            - It is israels to vacate, not turn over. They do not posess it, they merely occupy.  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 11:19 AM   #75 
                                               - So you agree they are required to vacate only after successful land 4 peace negotiations? n/t  shira   Jun-13-11 11:29 AM   #76 
                                                  - No I do not. Neither does UNSCR242 or the international community. Whos supporting you exactly?  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 12:11 PM   #77 
                                                     - Egypt regaining the Sinai was based on the very same premise. As proven in #66 and #68 too...  shira   Jun-13-11 12:37 PM   #79 
                                                     - LOL! Guess i touched a nerve. Bark all day little doggie. Doesn't change the words of 242.  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 12:53 PM   #81 
                                                     - So you believe Israel should have given back the Sinai first and waited for Egypt to agree to peace?  shira   Jun-13-11 04:36 PM   #86 
                                                     - Still barking in between changing the subject little doggie?  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 05:29 PM   #88 
                                                     - I'm just finding it fascinating that despite all the proof, you won't budge.  shira   Jun-13-11 05:32 PM   #89 
                                                     - Aww. Little doggies still barking but nobodys paying attention.....  tootrueleft   Jun-13-11 06:07 PM   #91 
                                                     - I'm still waiting for a substantive reply to the evidence brought forth to you. Take your time. n/t  shira   Jun-13-11 06:55 PM   #93 
                                                     - You'll notice...  Shaktimaan   Jun-16-11 09:41 PM   #96 
                                      - This situation is a bit different.  Shaktimaan   Jun-16-11 09:37 PM   #95 

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