tootrueleft
(385 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jun-10-11 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #19 |
| 20. Well I tell ya what.....you keep supporting israel and I'll keep supporting liberalism. |
| -Haaretz exclusive: Secret cables show Israel's battle plan over Palestinian UN bid |
bemildred |
Jun-10-11 10:50 AM |
#0 |
 -
Its obscene. Opposing to others that which they were given by the UN themselves. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 11:06 AM |
#1 |
| -
Israel has delegitimized itself. Completely. |
Eagle Mall |
Jun-10-11 11:54 AM |
#2 |
| -
Can someone explain why Israel is so against the Palestine UN bid for recognition?...... |
kayecy |
Jun-10-11 12:39 PM |
#3 |
 -
Yeah, they seem to be freaking out. |
bemildred |
Jun-10-11 02:08 PM |
#4 |
 -
Because the zionists ruling the country will have to give up their 'greater israel' land theft dream |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 02:34 PM |
#5 |
| -
The 2008 Olmert deal would have ended the 'greater Israel' vision... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 02:50 PM |
#7 |
| -
Not like the peaceful israelis, right? LOL!! |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:14 PM |
#8 |
| -
Why did the peaceful PA reject the 2008 Olmert deal? No good answer for that, huh? n/t |
shira |
Jun-10-11 03:18 PM |
#10 |
| -
Why did the PEACEFUL israels kill hundreds of innocent women and children? |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:19 PM |
#11 |
| -
More typical diversion and evasion... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 03:21 PM |
#13 |
| -
Oh thats right- 'peaceful'. What you demand palestinians should be while |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:26 PM |
#16 |
| -
Olmerts plan was BS and you know that don't you |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-11 03:39 PM |
#18 |
| -
The folks at the Geneva Initiative praised it and said it was similar to their proposal... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 06:52 PM |
#23 |
| -
the 'problems with Olmerts offer that I pointed out are fact n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-11 11:07 PM |
#25 |
| -
Abbas said the gaps were too wide and didn't even offer a counterproposal. |
shira |
Jun-11-11 06:36 AM |
#28 |
| -
Olmert announced he was 'stepping down' just a few days after his so called 'offer' |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-11 01:28 PM |
#42 |
| -
Abbas has never said anything since other than the gaps were too wide... |
shira |
Jun-11-11 01:34 PM |
#43 |
| -
Here's why recognition is a problem... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 02:45 PM |
#6 |
| -
Cue the sound of laughter between my ears after reading that. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:17 PM |
#9 |
| -
Typical diversion and evasion. n/t |
shira |
Jun-10-11 03:19 PM |
#12 |
| -
Make a statement worth of a reply from reasonable people and you'll get one. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:22 PM |
#14 |
| -
I did. Seems you're incapable of having a grown-up conversation. Too bad... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 03:24 PM |
#15 |
| -
LOL! And which one of us uses this 'liberal' board to support a right wing government in israel? |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:33 PM |
#17 |
| -
I support Israel, whether Rabin/Meretz are in control or not... |
shira |
Jun-10-11 03:40 PM |
#19 |
| -
Well I tell ya what.....you keep supporting israel and I'll keep supporting liberalism. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 03:44 PM |
#20 |
| -
X |
shira |
Jun-10-11 05:07 PM |
#21 |
| -
Supporting ultra-right religious thugs like Hamas is the antithesis of liberalism. |
Kurska |
Jun-10-11 05:14 PM |
#22 |
| -
And who here supports hamas? This for us or against us crap fools nobody. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-10-11 09:21 PM |
#24 |
| -
Do you think that Hamas and PA represent liberal ideals? |
hack89 |
Jun-11-11 10:40 AM |
#34 |
| -
such a liberal view |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-11 01:36 PM |
#44 |
| -
No, we must condemn them because they want to deny fundamental human rights |
hack89 |
Jun-11-11 05:33 PM |
#46 |
| -
The PA is a theocracy? do tell lol n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-12-11 01:02 PM |
#55 |
| -
You think it's liberal to ignore or whitewash what the PA and Hamas do, while being a megaphone... |
shira |
Jun-12-11 01:49 PM |
#59 |
| -
while I am being a 'megaphone' for what again? |
azurnoir |
Jun-12-11 03:11 PM |
#63 |
| -
When Hamas wins the upcoming civil war |
hack89 |
Jun-12-11 04:03 PM |
#64 |
| -
sounds like 'wishful thinking' on someones part to me n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-13-11 12:31 PM |
#78 |
| -
You really think Hamas will embrace liberal democracy? |
hack89 |
Jun-13-11 12:40 PM |
#80 |
| -
No I think Hamas will remain Hamas however |
azurnoir |
Jun-13-11 01:36 PM |
#82 |
| -
Worked really well in Iran, didn't it? |
hack89 |
Jun-13-11 03:23 PM |
#83 |
| -
Gaza is not Iran but do keep trying n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-13-11 03:26 PM |
#84 |
| -
Same principle as Iran - violent groups don't give up power. nt |
hack89 |
Jun-13-11 03:27 PM |
#85 |
| -
sigh cling to your lurid fantasies if you must n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-13-11 05:11 PM |
#87 |
| -
Nothing lurid about it - documented facts |
hack89 |
Jun-13-11 05:54 PM |
#90 |
| -
All they have are throwaway lines, mocking and insults, no substance. |
shira |
Jun-13-11 06:53 PM |
#92 |
| -
I never said Hamas would change in fact I stated as much several posts back |
azurnoir |
Jun-14-11 12:36 AM |
#94 |
| -
If the above poster is "spewing Hamas talking points" then you can be credited with |
Exilednight |
Jun-12-11 09:53 AM |
#50 |
| -
Israel is a liberal democracy & the vast majority of our Congressional Dems support Israel. |
shira |
Jun-12-11 12:19 PM |
#52 |
| -
The message from Labour would have been a lot different than the message from Likud'. Congress |
Exilednight |
Jun-12-11 12:44 PM |
#54 |
| -
Congress represents their people who are overwhelmingly pro-Israel as the polls show... |
shira |
Jun-12-11 01:07 PM |
#56 |
| -
America is not overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Your own poll you posted puts support for Israel below |
Exilednight |
Jun-12-11 01:10 PM |
#57 |
| -
Two-thirds according to CNN are sympathetic to Israel... |
shira |
Jun-12-11 01:47 PM |
#58 |
| -
According to the other link you posted, Pew showed only 48%. But keep pushing that one poll that is |
Exilednight |
Jun-12-11 02:22 PM |
#60 |
| -
What do you make of 1% thinking the US should take the Palestinians' side? |
shira |
Jun-12-11 02:44 PM |
#61 |
| -
Here's what I make of it. As a citizen of both countries, I can understand how |
Exilednight |
Jun-12-11 03:07 PM |
#62 |
| -
What concessions, commitments and compromises did Israel make?...... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 12:15 AM |
#26 |
| -
UNSCR 242 states Israel will give back land for peace. The PA has done zero WRT peacemaking... |
shira |
Jun-11-11 06:35 AM |
#27 |
| -
Obama seems to think that starting with the Green Line, the parties should negotiate ...... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 07:24 AM |
#29 |
| -
What makes you think the PA is interested in Obama's negotiations... |
shira |
Jun-11-11 08:11 AM |
#30 |
| -
You seem to think that membership of the UN confirms something?...... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 08:37 AM |
#31 |
| -
You believe the PA needs an even playing field after rejecting the Olmert 2008 offer? Why? |
shira |
Jun-11-11 09:15 AM |
#32 |
| -
A better compromise would be for both of them to commit to negotiating from the 67 lines...... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 10:29 AM |
#33 |
| -
That's not a compromise from the PA, it's a one-sided concession. |
shira |
Jun-11-11 11:13 AM |
#35 |
| -
You are paranoid, aren't you!.......... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 11:48 AM |
#36 |
| -
Please answer my question (in bold) from the last post. n/t |
shira |
Jun-11-11 12:04 PM |
#37 |
| -
A pleasure.......When you get round to responding to the original question... |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 12:18 PM |
#38 |
| -
I'm not demanding... |
shira |
Jun-11-11 12:29 PM |
#39 |
| -
There you go again.......Demanding the Palestinians prove something that no one asked Israel to do.. |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 01:00 PM |
#40 |
| -
UNSCR242 demands land in return for peace, not me. |
shira |
Jun-11-11 01:07 PM |
#41 |
| -
R242 does not place demands on non-state parties......It does however, demand that Israel withdraw.. |
kayecy |
Jun-11-11 02:01 PM |
#45 |
| -
The PA agreed at Oslo to implement 242's land for peace via successful negotiations |
shira |
Jun-11-11 05:54 PM |
#47 |
| -
I hoped to find out whether your initial response was simply a way of wasting my time,.... |
kayecy |
Jun-12-11 01:52 AM |
#48 |
| -
You're confused, and you're still not answering my questions. |
shira |
Jun-12-11 05:00 AM |
#49 |
| -
UNSCR242 states the land is not isreals to give back in the first place. But nice try |
tootrueleft |
Jun-12-11 11:09 AM |
#51 |
| -
UNSCR 242 and the Oslo Accords that the PA agreed to state land in exchange for genuine peace. n/t |
shira |
Jun-12-11 12:20 PM |
#53 |
| -
Who do we believe, you...or the actual words of UNSCR242? Hmmm...... |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 05:44 AM |
#65 |
| -
Those are the actual words from UNSCR242 and what Pal'ns agreed to at Oslo in '93 |
shira |
Jun-13-11 06:30 AM |
#66 |
| -
UHNSCR242: "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 08:44 AM |
#67 |
| -
Looks like you have a different understanding than the PA did when it signed on at Oslo. |
shira |
Jun-13-11 09:44 AM |
#68 |
| -
Like I said, I'll stick with the actual words & you stick with excusing israels illegality. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 10:03 AM |
#69 |
| -
I figured you'd reject the facts, as though Oslo never happened and the PA never signed on. |
shira |
Jun-13-11 10:04 AM |
#70 |
| -
Does oslo change the fact that land captured during wartime is inadmissible? |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 10:15 AM |
#71 |
| -
It remains inadmissable but successful peace negotiations are still necessary... |
shira |
Jun-13-11 10:36 AM |
#72 |
| -
Again, its not israels to 'turn over'. Theat why they're considered occupiers. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 10:44 AM |
#73 |
| -
But under UNSCR242 and Oslo 1993, Israel is not required.... |
shira |
Jun-13-11 10:47 AM |
#74 |
| -
It is israels to vacate, not turn over. They do not posess it, they merely occupy. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 11:19 AM |
#75 |
| -
So you agree they are required to vacate only after successful land 4 peace negotiations? n/t |
shira |
Jun-13-11 11:29 AM |
#76 |
| -
No I do not. Neither does UNSCR242 or the international community. Whos supporting you exactly? |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 12:11 PM |
#77 |
| -
Egypt regaining the Sinai was based on the very same premise. As proven in #66 and #68 too... |
shira |
Jun-13-11 12:37 PM |
#79 |
| -
LOL! Guess i touched a nerve. Bark all day little doggie. Doesn't change the words of 242. |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 12:53 PM |
#81 |
| -
So you believe Israel should have given back the Sinai first and waited for Egypt to agree to peace? |
shira |
Jun-13-11 04:36 PM |
#86 |
| -
Still barking in between changing the subject little doggie? |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 05:29 PM |
#88 |
| -
I'm just finding it fascinating that despite all the proof, you won't budge. |
shira |
Jun-13-11 05:32 PM |
#89 |
| -
Aww. Little doggies still barking but nobodys paying attention..... |
tootrueleft |
Jun-13-11 06:07 PM |
#91 |
| -
I'm still waiting for a substantive reply to the evidence brought forth to you. Take your time. n/t |
shira |
Jun-13-11 06:55 PM |
#93 |
| -
You'll notice... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 09:41 PM |
#96 |
| -
This situation is a bit different. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-11 09:37 PM |
#95 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread