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Sun Jul-24-11 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #122 |
| 124. just for clarification... |
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Stalin murdered between 20 and 40 million before the start of WW2...Hitler was democratically elected as Chancellor in 1933.....In spite of that you somehow manage to twist your ‘superior rights’ theory so that it supports the industrial-scale murderer Stalin! i mean really....to have to explain that hitler managed to manipulate the germanys democracy and then convince the majority to be nation of racists is just to show how fragile democracies are. Which further explains why democracies use illiberal methods to protect themselves (they are vulnerable especially in the beginning). Germanys failure to sustain democratic values was a failure to change its culture between the World wars, the allies "fixed' that after WWII and it took a lot more time, effort and resources to do it. |
| -Fatah official in Gaza holds unity talks with independents |
pelsar |
Apr-26-11 12:04 AM |
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5 months ago Hamas denied Al-Ifranji entry to Gaza |
azurnoir |
Apr-26-11 12:29 AM |
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Well, pelsar.........Are you for or against?......... |
kayecy |
Apr-28-11 01:56 AM |
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am I for or against? |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 02:49 AM |
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Thank you for your opinion..........However, if you are wrong? |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 09:46 AM |
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i really dont care much about Netanyahu |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 11:31 AM |
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Probably as likely as Israel adopting new policies....... |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 11:50 AM |
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its not about injustice... |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 01:25 PM |
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You obviously have difficulty empathising with Hamas's strongly held view........ |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 02:20 PM |
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What's to empathize with? Hamas wants Jews out of Israel or dead. |
shira |
Apr-29-11 05:38 PM |
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the sad reflection is ones owns ethnocentrism |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 05:39 PM |
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Whose ideas of justice are likely to be the more valid?........ |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 02:34 AM |
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just to clarify |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 02:55 AM |
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It is not 'my' version of justice.... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 03:51 AM |
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Hamas version of justice - Jews out or dead. What more is there to understand? n/t |
shira |
Apr-30-11 04:50 AM |
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wow...are you in the wrong place |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 05:22 AM |
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Personal abuse and dodging the question again....Shame on you! |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 06:03 AM |
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try again....and I'll ask again |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 06:25 AM |
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What a racist question!.....You tell me....... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 07:40 AM |
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your getting closer... |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 09:28 AM |
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How much human suffering your policy will lead to remains to be seen..... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 02:13 PM |
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universal justice is from you... |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 05:40 PM |
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Your concept of basic justice seems to be one of arrogance to local inhabitants...... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 02:35 AM |
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Suppose Israel "understands" and wants justice for Palestinians. Explain how they do that. |
shira |
May-01-11 06:33 AM |
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yep it came from me.. i got it off your 'who started it" |
pelsar |
May-01-11 07:16 AM |
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Now we have identified exactly where we disagree..... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 09:18 AM |
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not so fast.... |
pelsar |
May-01-11 09:40 AM |
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If I have now answered you, could I trouble you for a response to my last paragraph?........ |
kayecy |
May-01-11 10:04 AM |
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the answer |
pelsar |
May-01-11 10:49 AM |
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So why did you leave the US?.....No-one to fight or be arrogant to?....... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 11:10 AM |
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Kayecy, how is setting up a free, representative democracy dominating others? |
shira |
May-01-11 11:21 AM |
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Shira...If your are serious, I will reply when pelsar & I have finished our little debate....n/t |
kayecy |
May-01-11 11:35 AM |
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why did i leave the US |
pelsar |
May-01-11 12:47 PM |
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I am confused again.....How do you reconcile these two statements?...... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 02:11 PM |
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to create a new society...whatever type |
pelsar |
May-07-11 04:40 AM |
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Welcome back............Now where were we....... |
kayecy |
May-07-11 05:39 AM |
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If the top of your list is "to minimize violence, death and suffering"... |
shira |
May-07-11 05:57 AM |
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then i dont understand..but first |
pelsar |
May-07-11 01:06 PM |
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How many more times must I state that I do not, and have never defended these cultures..... |
kayecy |
May-07-11 02:01 PM |
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whereas people naturally resist change in their cultures... |
pelsar |
May-07-11 04:21 PM |
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get themselves a working STABLE democracy... |
Recursion |
May-10-11 08:08 AM |
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The Zionists got themselves a working stable democracy while the Brits were occupying. n/t |
shira |
May-11-11 04:30 AM |
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They still don't have a stable working Democracy |
Recursion |
May-11-11 04:43 AM |
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Nevermind, I thought I was conversing with someone who knew what a stable democracy actually was.N/T |
shira |
May-11-11 05:10 AM |
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Are the Palestinians entitled to likewise be concerned... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-29-11 01:42 AM |
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that doesn't work...attempts at the moral equivalent |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 03:01 AM |
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so presumably you wouldn't object to Hamas as long as they were elected? |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-29-11 03:56 AM |
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of course it "cuts both ways" |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 05:22 AM |
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that wasnt what I mean at all, actually... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-29-11 05:59 AM |
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thats how intl relations works.... |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 11:16 AM |
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What is your version of the Gaza geography?......... |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 10:39 AM |
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my version is based on facts on the ground-not paper |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 11:09 AM |
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Are you now going to claim that the GOI/IDF/Mossad do not control Gaza imports/exports? ......... |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 12:12 PM |
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i have a poor imagination |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 01:31 PM |
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QED....Israel is operating a blockade against Gaza....... |
kayecy |
Apr-29-11 02:41 PM |
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that only took 3 posts... |
pelsar |
Apr-29-11 05:30 PM |
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Neither does a ridiculous "It always has to be pulled out as if uncomfortable" claim..... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 02:46 AM |
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but it always has to be "pulled out" |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 03:13 AM |
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I could also claim the truth has at last been forced out of you.. |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 04:17 AM |
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"Prison"? Will Gaza still be a prison when Egypt permanently opens the border? |
shira |
Apr-30-11 05:17 AM |
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but you cant....i easily answer any questions and dont hide info |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 05:38 AM |
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Israel is what?.....A state on a par with a dictatorship or a western liberal democracy?.... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 06:30 AM |
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its 2011..remember the date..... |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 06:48 AM |
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My point was that people understand Egypt was a dictatorship ....... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 07:53 AM |
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egypt is also a sovereign independent country |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 09:53 AM |
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Which other democracy destroys houses as a collective punishment?..... |
kayecy |
Apr-30-11 02:31 PM |
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know your history |
pelsar |
Apr-30-11 05:26 PM |
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Do read my posts be before jumping to your own interpretation of the meaning ..... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 12:31 AM |
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the 21st century... |
pelsar |
May-01-11 07:26 AM |
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You really only want to answer the questions which you would like me to ask!....... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 09:44 AM |
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collective punishment?...its standard |
pelsar |
May-01-11 09:59 AM |
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But I thought all Israeli wars were 'just wars'? ........ |
kayecy |
May-01-11 10:52 AM |
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sorry if i dont follow the PR line... |
pelsar |
May-01-11 11:07 AM |
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I can't really believe you think violence and domination are acceptable |
kayecy |
May-01-11 11:31 AM |
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fantasy vs reality |
pelsar |
May-01-11 12:32 PM |
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I'm afraid you still don't understand my principles...... |
kayecy |
May-01-11 01:30 PM |
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i think i got it.... |
pelsar |
May-07-11 04:54 AM |
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You got it alright. |
shira |
May-07-11 05:48 AM |
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Now, can you tell me exactly where you disagree with my philosophy?......... |
kayecy |
May-07-11 05:50 AM |
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Your philosophy fails b/c there was no such thing as a referendum... |
shira |
May-07-11 06:07 AM |
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I'm still wondering why you have no problem with Hashemites dominating the Palestinians of Jordan |
shira |
May-07-11 09:50 AM |
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Is this discussion going anywhere? |
oberliner |
May-07-11 07:07 PM |
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its the principle where we differ.. |
pelsar |
May-07-11 05:09 PM |
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It is indeed the principle where we differ.... |
kayecy |
May-08-11 03:13 AM |
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close but one aspect is still not clear |
pelsar |
May-08-11 04:48 AM |
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I wonder why you keep accusing me of 'respecting' nasty cultures?..... |
kayecy |
May-08-11 10:58 AM |
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Mideast regimes will not become liberal democracies on their own anytime soon |
shira |
May-08-11 12:08 PM |
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the confusion is |
pelsar |
May-08-11 02:23 PM |
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Yes, and so does the first article of the UN Charter:.......... |
kayecy |
May-08-11 04:08 PM |
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you miss the whole point of the zionism... |
pelsar |
May-10-11 02:48 AM |
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We all know why the Zionists invaded Palestine.... |
kayecy |
May-10-11 08:02 AM |
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your asking if its legal and moral? |
pelsar |
May-10-11 12:22 PM |
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Now we are getting to the crux of the matter........ |
kayecy |
May-11-11 09:51 AM |
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sorry for the slow response.... |
pelsar |
May-14-11 03:00 PM |
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The refuge of every scoundrel.......”I accept the law except when the law doesn’t suit me!”..... |
kayecy |
May-15-11 11:53 AM |
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You basic question is zionism moral…. |
pelsar |
May-19-11 03:51 PM |
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We are talking principles here....Let’s apply your ‘disrespect’ principle to the settlers ......... |
kayecy |
May-20-11 06:44 AM |
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colonialist |
pelsar |
May-20-11 09:58 AM |
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You can’t be serious....Had any of the Zionist immigrants ever been kicked out of Palestine?...... |
kayecy |
May-20-11 03:24 PM |
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back to morality |
pelsar |
May-29-11 04:51 PM |
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Should new immigrants have the right to govern simply by claiming their culture is superior?.... |
kayecy |
Jun-02-11 02:18 PM |
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you have to ignore information and reality to make your point.... |
pelsar |
Jun-02-11 03:36 PM |
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I must have missed it....When did Israel offer the West Bank Palestinians ‘Israeli democracy’?..... |
kayecy |
Jun-03-11 11:29 AM |
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shucks israel isn't a perfect democracy.... |
pelsar |
Jun-04-11 08:09 AM |
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Help me to understand where you are coming from:................... |
kayecy |
Jun-04-11 01:49 PM |
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one doesn't have to be a zionist to prefer israeli democracy |
pelsar |
Jun-04-11 02:52 PM |
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West-bank Arabs have been under Israeli rule for 40 years...Why hasn’t Israel ‘educated’ them?...... |
kayecy |
Jun-06-11 11:52 AM |
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usually your pretty good with your knowledge but not here. |
pelsar |
Jun-07-11 09:25 AM |
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Calm down!........You would have a much more effective argument if you produced a few hard facts.... |
kayecy |
Jun-08-11 09:14 AM |
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this is kind of messy...so i'm just going to stick to a few points |
pelsar |
Jun-13-11 03:49 PM |
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If it is RIGHT for you to kill your sister, then it is also RIGHT for her to kill you (or me) ..... |
kayecy |
Jun-17-11 06:53 AM |
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Kayecy, since you think 1948 was so unjust would you say you're against a 2-state solution? |
shira |
Jun-21-11 04:51 PM |
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Pelsar......I see you are on-line today....Would care to continue our little debate?.. |
kayecy |
Jul-16-11 08:47 AM |
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It's not much of a debate when you refuse to answer questions, deflect, evade... n/t |
shira |
Jul-16-11 10:08 AM |
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starting with the simple... |
pelsar |
Jul-16-11 04:16 PM |
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Thank you for being willing to take up this subject again.... |
kayecy |
Jul-21-11 03:38 PM |
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listen to your wife.... |
pelsar |
Jul-22-11 09:01 AM |
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You spent so much time on your theory that you forgot the most important question....... |
kayecy |
Jul-23-11 11:01 AM |
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the imperfection of zionism and western democracies |
pelsar |
Jul-23-11 02:03 PM |
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Are we getting close to changing the IP dynamic?......... |
kayecy |
Jul-24-11 05:34 AM |
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what do they say about fools |
pelsar |
Jul-25-11 11:42 AM |
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Pre-WW1 Zionists knew that attempting to achieve a majority in Palestine was a near-impossibility... |
kayecy |
Jul-28-11 12:51 PM |
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Interesting discussion. |
Shaktimaan |
Aug-02-11 01:12 AM |
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Shaktimaan - see my comments on "6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-state solution" - by SHIRA |
kayecy |
Aug-02-11 06:51 AM |
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come on....you can't be serious |
pelsar |
Aug-06-11 12:26 PM |
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I am sorry if I misunderstood you, but what exactly did you mean?...... |
kayecy |
Aug-11-11 02:43 PM |
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just for clarification... |
pelsar |
Jul-24-11 12:18 AM |
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an additional thought... |
pelsar |
Jul-17-11 11:33 PM |
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are israeli arabs "immoral".... |
pelsar |
May-15-11 05:31 AM |
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In addition, Pelsar... |
shira |
May-15-11 10:02 AM |
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continued Israeli sovereignty is crucial |
Never Stop Dancin |
May-29-11 06:32 PM |
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Collective punishment is never acceptable, except for BDS vs. Israel and its citizens. n/t |
shira |
May-08-11 09:42 AM |
#81 |
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