Reply #74: then i dont understand..but first

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I can agree with much of that statement but can I ask you to clarify it?......As it stands, your statement implies that both cultures had an equal right to have their culture dominant in Palestine......Is that correct?

If so, it would seem to follow that you also think the Jews had a right to make their culture dominant in any land they chose?

in my opinion, For the jews the only geographic option was within the confines of their history and culture and that would be Palestine. That was their only option to get out under the yoke of continual and endless domination..... and since there was not an independent democratic country there and they were willing to put forth the resources, necessary, to develop one that would insure civil rights for all, then yes they had the "more rights" (remember i put establishing a democratic country as the highest long term value) than the locals, who were not going in that direction. More so simply immigration without the intent of establishing a dominant western democracy, but to remain a second class citizen within a dictatorship would have accomplished little in providing jews security and and an ability to defend themselves as jews (WWII made this need rather obvious to many jews)
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but this confuses me:
Top of my list is to minimize violence, death and suffering,
non democratic countries depend upon violence, death, suffering, injustice, multi tied citizenship levels to survive. One culture dominates the others without civil rights. And you defend these cultures?....they are far more violent internally, than the western democratic system. And whereas you might be against FGM, hanging homosexuals because your values are against it, at the same time you seem to be more than willing to defend those very same cultures and those very same values.

how about Libya, Rwanda, Sudan and their civil wars...direct results of non democratic values.....my impression is that you believe that to respect them is to simply have a "hands off" policy.