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kayecy Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:44 AM
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52. You really only want to answer the questions which you would like me to ask!.......
..why limit it to western democracies....i get from your other posts that you respect the values of other non western cultures...

I suspected it......You really only want to answer the questions which you would like me to ask!

Unfortunately, that is not the way civilized debate works.....Now, which posts of mine said I was anything other than disgusted with Hamas's or indeed any Muslim or illiberal culture?



(just for the record i'm undecided about house demolition as i've never come across any info to know if it serves to limit attacks or not).

Thank you for your implied admission that Israel is guilty of collective punishment.......What troubles me now is that in spite of your much vaunted claim to principles, you seem to think immoral acts are justified if they produce results.

In my moral code (supported I believe by the Geneva Convention) collective punishment of civilians is simply immoral and a war crime......It cannot be justified by claiming there is no other way of achieving the objective. (ie limiting attacks)
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  -Fatah official in Gaza holds unity talks with independents pelsar  Apr-26-11 12:04 AM   #0 
  - 5 months ago Hamas denied Al-Ifranji entry to Gaza  azurnoir   Apr-26-11 12:29 AM   #1 
  - Well, pelsar.........Are you for or against?.........  kayecy   Apr-28-11 01:56 AM   #2 
  - am I for or against?  pelsar   Apr-29-11 02:49 AM   #4 
     - Thank you for your opinion..........However, if you are wrong?  kayecy   Apr-29-11 09:46 AM   #9 
        - i really dont care much about Netanyahu  pelsar   Apr-29-11 11:31 AM   #13 
           - Probably as likely as Israel adopting new policies.......  kayecy   Apr-29-11 11:50 AM   #14 
              - its not about injustice...  pelsar   Apr-29-11 01:25 PM   #16 
                 - You obviously have difficulty empathising with Hamas's strongly held view........  kayecy   Apr-29-11 02:20 PM   #18 
                 - What's to empathize with? Hamas wants Jews out of Israel or dead.  shira   Apr-29-11 05:38 PM   #21 
                 - the sad reflection is ones owns ethnocentrism  pelsar   Apr-29-11 05:39 PM   #22 
                    - Whose ideas of justice are likely to be the more valid?........  kayecy   Apr-30-11 02:34 AM   #23 
                       - just to clarify  pelsar   Apr-30-11 02:55 AM   #25 
                          - It is not 'my' version of justice....  kayecy   Apr-30-11 03:51 AM   #27 
                             - Hamas version of justice - Jews out or dead. What more is there to understand? n/t  shira   Apr-30-11 04:50 AM   #29 
                             - wow...are you in the wrong place  pelsar   Apr-30-11 05:22 AM   #31 
                                - Personal abuse and dodging the question again....Shame on you!  kayecy   Apr-30-11 06:03 AM   #33 
                                   - try again....and I'll ask again  pelsar   Apr-30-11 06:25 AM   #34 
                                      - What a racist question!.....You tell me.......  kayecy   Apr-30-11 07:40 AM   #37 
                                         - your getting closer...  pelsar   Apr-30-11 09:28 AM   #39 
                                            - How much human suffering your policy will lead to remains to be seen.....  kayecy   Apr-30-11 02:13 PM   #41 
                                               - universal justice is from you...  pelsar   Apr-30-11 05:40 PM   #44 
                                                  - Your concept of basic justice seems to be one of arrogance to local inhabitants......  kayecy   May-01-11 02:35 AM   #46 
                                                  - Suppose Israel "understands" and wants justice for Palestinians. Explain how they do that.  shira   May-01-11 06:33 AM   #47 
                                                  - yep it came from me.. i got it off your 'who started it"  pelsar   May-01-11 07:16 AM   #48 
                                                  - Now we have identified exactly where we disagree.....  kayecy   May-01-11 09:18 AM   #50 
                                                  - not so fast....  pelsar   May-01-11 09:40 AM   #51 
                                                  - If I have now answered you, could I trouble you for a response to my last paragraph?........  kayecy   May-01-11 10:04 AM   #54 
                                                  - the answer  pelsar   May-01-11 10:49 AM   #55 
                                                  - So why did you leave the US?.....No-one to fight or be arrogant to?.......  kayecy   May-01-11 11:10 AM   #58 
                                                  - Kayecy, how is setting up a free, representative democracy dominating others?  shira   May-01-11 11:21 AM   #59 
                                                  - Shira...If your are serious, I will reply when pelsar & I have finished our little debate....n/t  kayecy   May-01-11 11:35 AM   #61 
                                                  - why did i leave the US  pelsar   May-01-11 12:47 PM   #63 
                                                  - I am confused again.....How do you reconcile these two statements?......  kayecy   May-01-11 02:11 PM   #65 
                                                  - to create a new society...whatever type  pelsar   May-07-11 04:40 AM   #66 
                                                  - Welcome back............Now where were we.......  kayecy   May-07-11 05:39 AM   #68 
                                                  - If the top of your list is "to minimize violence, death and suffering"...  shira   May-07-11 05:57 AM   #71 
                                                  - then i dont understand..but first  pelsar   May-07-11 01:06 PM   #74 
                                                  - How many more times must I state that I do not, and have never defended these cultures.....  kayecy   May-07-11 02:01 PM   #75 
                                                  - whereas people naturally resist change in their cultures...  pelsar   May-07-11 04:21 PM   #76 
                 - get themselves a working STABLE democracy...  Recursion   May-10-11 08:08 AM   #88 
                    - The Zionists got themselves a working stable democracy while the Brits were occupying. n/t  shira   May-11-11 04:30 AM   #90 
                       - They still don't have a stable working Democracy  Recursion   May-11-11 04:43 AM   #91 
                          - Nevermind, I thought I was conversing with someone who knew what a stable democracy actually was.N/T  shira   May-11-11 05:10 AM   #92 
  - Are the Palestinians entitled to likewise be concerned...  shaayecanaan   Apr-29-11 01:42 AM   #3 
     - that doesn't work...attempts at the moral equivalent  pelsar   Apr-29-11 03:01 AM   #5 
        - so presumably you wouldn't object to Hamas as long as they were elected?  shaayecanaan   Apr-29-11 03:56 AM   #6 
           - of course it "cuts both ways"  pelsar   Apr-29-11 05:22 AM   #7 
              - that wasnt what I mean at all, actually...  shaayecanaan   Apr-29-11 05:59 AM   #8 
              - thats how intl relations works....  pelsar   Apr-29-11 11:16 AM   #12 
              - What is your version of the Gaza geography?.........  kayecy   Apr-29-11 10:39 AM   #10 
                 - my version is based on facts on the ground-not paper  pelsar   Apr-29-11 11:09 AM   #11 
                    - Are you now going to claim that the GOI/IDF/Mossad do not control Gaza imports/exports? .........  kayecy   Apr-29-11 12:12 PM   #15 
                       - i have a poor imagination  pelsar   Apr-29-11 01:31 PM   #17 
                          - QED....Israel is operating a blockade against Gaza.......  kayecy   Apr-29-11 02:41 PM   #19 
                             - that only took 3 posts...  pelsar   Apr-29-11 05:30 PM   #20 
                                - Neither does a ridiculous "It always has to be pulled out as if uncomfortable" claim.....  kayecy   Apr-30-11 02:46 AM   #24 
                                   - but it always has to be "pulled out"  pelsar   Apr-30-11 03:13 AM   #26 
                                      - I could also claim the truth has at last been forced out of you..  kayecy   Apr-30-11 04:17 AM   #28 
                                         - "Prison"? Will Gaza still be a prison when Egypt permanently opens the border?  shira   Apr-30-11 05:17 AM   #30 
                                         - but you cant....i easily answer any questions and dont hide info  pelsar   Apr-30-11 05:38 AM   #32 
                                            - Israel is what?.....A state on a par with a dictatorship or a western liberal democracy?....  kayecy   Apr-30-11 06:30 AM   #35 
                                               - its 2011..remember the date.....  pelsar   Apr-30-11 06:48 AM   #36 
                                                  - My point was that people understand Egypt was a dictatorship .......  kayecy   Apr-30-11 07:53 AM   #38 
                                                     - egypt is also a sovereign independent country  pelsar   Apr-30-11 09:53 AM   #40 
                                                        - Which other democracy destroys houses as a collective punishment?.....  kayecy   Apr-30-11 02:31 PM   #42 
                                                        - know your history  pelsar   Apr-30-11 05:26 PM   #43 
                                                        - Do read my posts be before jumping to your own interpretation of the meaning .....  kayecy   May-01-11 12:31 AM   #45 
                                                        - the 21st century...  pelsar   May-01-11 07:26 AM   #49 
                                                        - You really only want to answer the questions which you would like me to ask!.......  kayecy   May-01-11 09:44 AM   #52 
                                                        - collective punishment?...its standard  pelsar   May-01-11 09:59 AM   #53 
                                                        - But I thought all Israeli wars were 'just wars'? ........  kayecy   May-01-11 10:52 AM   #56 
                                                        - sorry if i dont follow the PR line...  pelsar   May-01-11 11:07 AM   #57 
                                                        - I can't really believe you think violence and domination are acceptable  kayecy   May-01-11 11:31 AM   #60 
                                                        - fantasy vs reality  pelsar   May-01-11 12:32 PM   #62 
                                                        - I'm afraid you still don't understand my principles......  kayecy   May-01-11 01:30 PM   #64 
                                                        - i think i got it....  pelsar   May-07-11 04:54 AM   #67 
                                                        - You got it alright.  shira   May-07-11 05:48 AM   #69 
                                                        - Now, can you tell me exactly where you disagree with my philosophy?.........  kayecy   May-07-11 05:50 AM   #70 
                                                        - Your philosophy fails b/c there was no such thing as a referendum...  shira   May-07-11 06:07 AM   #72 
                                                        - I'm still wondering why you have no problem with Hashemites dominating the Palestinians of Jordan  shira   May-07-11 09:50 AM   #73 
                                                        - Is this discussion going anywhere?  oberliner   May-07-11 07:07 PM   #78 
                                                        - its the principle where we differ..  pelsar   May-07-11 05:09 PM   #77 
                                                        - It is indeed the principle where we differ....  kayecy   May-08-11 03:13 AM   #79 
                                                        - close but one aspect is still not clear  pelsar   May-08-11 04:48 AM   #80 
                                                        - I wonder why you keep accusing me of 'respecting' nasty cultures?.....  kayecy   May-08-11 10:58 AM   #82 
                                                        - Mideast regimes will not become liberal democracies on their own anytime soon  shira   May-08-11 12:08 PM   #83 
                                                        - the confusion is  pelsar   May-08-11 02:23 PM   #84 
                                                        - Yes, and so does the first article of the UN Charter:..........  kayecy   May-08-11 04:08 PM   #85 
                                                        - you miss the whole point of the zionism...  pelsar   May-10-11 02:48 AM   #86 
                                                        - We all know why the Zionists invaded Palestine....  kayecy   May-10-11 08:02 AM   #87 
                                                        - your asking if its legal and moral?  pelsar   May-10-11 12:22 PM   #89 
                                                        - Now we are getting to the crux of the matter........  kayecy   May-11-11 09:51 AM   #93 
                                                        - sorry for the slow response....  pelsar   May-14-11 03:00 PM   #94 
                                                        - The refuge of every scoundrel.......I accept the law except when the law doesnt suit me!.....  kayecy   May-15-11 11:53 AM   #97 
                                                        - You basic question is zionism moral.  pelsar   May-19-11 03:51 PM   #98 
                                                        - We are talking principles here....Lets apply your disrespect principle to the settlers .........  kayecy   May-20-11 06:44 AM   #99 
                                                        - colonialist  pelsar   May-20-11 09:58 AM   #100 
                                                        - You cant be serious....Had any of the Zionist immigrants ever been kicked out of Palestine?......  kayecy   May-20-11 03:24 PM   #101 
                                                        - back to morality  pelsar   May-29-11 04:51 PM   #102 
                                                        - Should new immigrants have the right to govern simply by claiming their culture is superior?....  kayecy   Jun-02-11 02:18 PM   #104 
                                                        - you have to ignore information and reality to make your point....  pelsar   Jun-02-11 03:36 PM   #105 
                                                        - I must have missed it....When did Israel offer the West Bank Palestinians Israeli democracy?.....  kayecy   Jun-03-11 11:29 AM   #106 
                                                        - shucks israel isn't a perfect democracy....  pelsar   Jun-04-11 08:09 AM   #107 
                                                        - Help me to understand where you are coming from:...................  kayecy   Jun-04-11 01:49 PM   #108 
                                                        - one doesn't have to be a zionist to prefer israeli democracy  pelsar   Jun-04-11 02:52 PM   #109 
                                                        - West-bank Arabs have been under Israeli rule for 40 years...Why hasnt Israel educated them?......  kayecy   Jun-06-11 11:52 AM   #110 
                                                        - usually your pretty good with your knowledge but not here.  pelsar   Jun-07-11 09:25 AM   #111 
                                                        - Calm down!........You would have a much more effective argument if you produced a few hard facts....  kayecy   Jun-08-11 09:14 AM   #112 
                                                        - this is kind of messy...so i'm just going to stick to a few points  pelsar   Jun-13-11 03:49 PM   #113 
                                                        - If it is RIGHT for you to kill your sister, then it is also RIGHT for her to kill you (or me) .....  kayecy   Jun-17-11 06:53 AM   #114 
                                                        - Kayecy, since you think 1948 was so unjust would you say you're against a 2-state solution?  shira   Jun-21-11 04:51 PM   #115 
                                                        - Pelsar......I see you are on-line today....Would care to continue our little debate?..  kayecy   Jul-16-11 08:47 AM   #116 
                                                        - It's not much of a debate when you refuse to answer questions, deflect, evade... n/t  shira   Jul-16-11 10:08 AM   #117 
                                                        - starting with the simple...  pelsar   Jul-16-11 04:16 PM   #118 
                                                        - Thank you for being willing to take up this subject again....  kayecy   Jul-21-11 03:38 PM   #120 
                                                        - listen to your wife....  pelsar   Jul-22-11 09:01 AM   #121 
                                                        - You spent so much time on your theory that you forgot the most important question.......  kayecy   Jul-23-11 11:01 AM   #122 
                                                        - the imperfection of zionism and western democracies  pelsar   Jul-23-11 02:03 PM   #123 
                                                        - Are we getting close to changing the IP dynamic?.........  kayecy   Jul-24-11 05:34 AM   #125 
                                                        - what do they say about fools  pelsar   Jul-25-11 11:42 AM   #126 
                                                        - Pre-WW1 Zionists knew that attempting to achieve a majority in Palestine was a near-impossibility...  kayecy   Jul-28-11 12:51 PM   #127 
                                                        - Interesting discussion.  Shaktimaan   Aug-02-11 01:12 AM   #128 
                                                        - Shaktimaan - see my comments on "6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-state solution" - by SHIRA  kayecy   Aug-02-11 06:51 AM   #129 
                                                        - come on....you can't be serious  pelsar   Aug-06-11 12:26 PM   #130 
                                                        - I am sorry if I misunderstood you, but what exactly did you mean?......  kayecy   Aug-11-11 02:43 PM   #131 
                                                        - just for clarification...  pelsar   Jul-24-11 12:18 AM   #124 
                                                        - an additional thought...  pelsar   Jul-17-11 11:33 PM   #119 
                                                        - are israeli arabs "immoral"....  pelsar   May-15-11 05:31 AM   #95 
                                                        - In addition, Pelsar...  shira   May-15-11 10:02 AM   #96 
                                                        - continued Israeli sovereignty is crucial  Never Stop Dancin   May-29-11 06:32 PM   #103 
                                                        - Collective punishment is never acceptable, except for BDS vs. Israel and its citizens. n/t  shira   May-08-11 09:42 AM   #81 
 

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