Violet_Crumble
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Mon Mar-14-11 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #62 |
| 68. Have you got a link to the poll itself so I can see the questions? I couldn't track it down... |
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Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 05:01 PM by Violet_Crumble
And given what a serious charge is being made, I'm sure you'd have carefully read the poll itself, rather than just relying on what some journalist claims, right?
I don't know enough about the political views of either George Galloway or Yvonne Ridley to know where they fall politically. I'm safe in assuming you base calling people LW or RW solely on whether or not they support Israel. I don't, and find any attempt to divide people into LW and RW based on whether or not they support Israel to be so dismissive of anything else happening in the world to be utterly obsessive in the extreme...
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| -U.S. condemns terrorist attack in West Bank settlement |
oberliner |
Mar-12-11 11:37 AM |
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Mar-12-11 11:54 AM |
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same as I been saying Hillary |
BetsysGhost |
Mar-12-11 11:56 AM |
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I wonder why the murder of Rachel Corrie and the slaughter of ... |
Johnny_dollar |
Mar-12-11 12:33 PM |
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When the Israelis murdered................ |
Knight Hawk |
Mar-12-11 02:29 PM |
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Mar-12-11 03:45 PM |
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Calling them "murders" begs the question |
speltwon |
Mar-12-11 10:01 PM |
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If they do not know who did it, how do they know it was a terrorist?? |
Angry Dragon |
Mar-12-11 12:01 PM |
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Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claims responsibility |
oberliner |
Mar-12-11 12:10 PM |
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Thank you |
Angry Dragon |
Mar-12-11 12:21 PM |
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If you are not 100% pro ................. |
Knight Hawk |
Mar-12-11 02:34 PM |
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No - if you slit children's throats while they are sleeping then you are a terrorist |
oberliner |
Mar-12-11 02:38 PM |
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American Crickets |
TomClash |
Mar-12-11 01:48 PM |
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Nothing about stabbing a 3 month old baby to death in that link |
oberliner |
Mar-12-11 02:08 PM |
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. . . |
TomClash |
Mar-12-11 03:36 PM |
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That shirt thing is BS |
oberliner |
Mar-13-11 08:42 AM |
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You mean the IDF t-shirt thing is a hoax? If so, can you prove it? n/t |
shira |
Mar-14-11 04:03 PM |
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The baby's throat was cut |
VermeerLives |
Mar-13-11 05:44 PM |
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Yes. Was nothing in the link worth condemnation at least? |
No Elephants |
Mar-13-11 06:02 PM |
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There are lots of incidents worth condeming |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 06:57 AM |
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the link is from march 2 the attacks happened march 12 |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 06:49 PM |
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Too bad Hilary |
Scottybeamer70 |
Mar-12-11 02:26 PM |
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Hillary sold out |
TomClash |
Mar-12-11 03:17 PM |
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The Senate race that she won by over 30 percentage points? |
oberliner |
Mar-12-11 03:38 PM |
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You bet! |
TomClash |
Mar-12-11 08:25 PM |
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You don't think she would have won otherwise? |
oberliner |
Mar-13-11 08:37 AM |
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I'm talking about 2000 not 2006 |
TomClash |
Mar-13-11 11:31 AM |
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What do Jewish voters have to do with anything? |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 06:24 AM |
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An astonishing question |
TomClash |
Mar-14-11 09:33 AM |
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You have no idea what you are talking about |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 09:51 AM |
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Mar-14-11 09:56 AM |
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Sorry - but you are just way off base on this one |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 10:58 AM |
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More American Crickets |
TomClash |
Mar-12-11 02:33 PM |
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There are extremists on both sides and your point of your posts is...? |
wordpix |
Mar-13-11 10:28 AM |
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Here are your statistics - from Btselem I will let you draw your own conclusions |
Agony |
Mar-13-11 10:54 AM |
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. . . your point of the posts is?" |
TomClash |
Mar-13-11 11:02 AM |
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Yes, BOTH sides. |
No Elephants |
Mar-13-11 06:09 PM |
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nope, no bias here... |
fascisthunter |
Mar-13-11 12:00 PM |
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This is horrific |
VermeerLives |
Mar-13-11 05:41 PM |
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will Keith Ellison cry over murders thousands of miles away? |
azurnoir |
Mar-13-11 06:47 PM |
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The village was Rafah |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 06:20 AM |
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well thanks gee but if you read my post then you |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 07:31 AM |
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Rafah is 30 kilometers south of Gaza |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 11:00 AM |
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and your point is? |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 11:20 AM |
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You were asking for the specific town where this happened |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 11:50 AM |
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please post a link to them I would like to see them |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 12:08 PM |
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Ok - here ya go |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 03:06 PM |
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your claim was photo's fromAP these came from a link |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 03:27 PM |
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No idea what you are talking about |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 03:41 PM |
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Even if these photos were from AP, no-one knows the context they were taken in... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 03:43 PM |
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Of course they do |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 08:54 AM |
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No, they don't. How do you know the photographer is correct? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 09:08 PM |
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Yes, they do |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 10:40 PM |
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You don't know that the photographer has captioned it properly... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 10:51 PM |
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Email the photographer if you are curious |
oberliner |
Mar-16-11 07:55 AM |
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I'm not curious. I explained to you why caution needs to be taken... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 04:58 PM |
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I assume that the AFP isn't going to run a photo caption that is fabricated |
oberliner |
Mar-16-11 05:14 PM |
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You should also assume that they wouldn't do so intentionally... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 05:34 PM |
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Obie, nothing is as it seems and facts aren't facts if they don't conform to the narrative. n/t |
shira |
Mar-16-11 04:56 AM |
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here is the link |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 03:38 PM |
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You read that quite frequently? |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 03:42 PM |
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I asked because one context is missing , the dates are the ones |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 03:48 PM |
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So what if the photos have a date? Did you read what I said only a post or so back? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 04:10 PM |
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hi Vi |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 04:23 PM |
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Hi Az... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 04:31 PM |
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thanks n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 04:34 PM |
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Well you could write to the photographer to get more context |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 08:51 AM |
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why did you leave out the preceding sentence? and a goodly peice of the one you posted ? |
azurnoir |
Mar-14-11 03:44 PM |
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Someone left out the City? I don't know what that means |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 08:51 AM |
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Moreover, did Steve King ever cry over anyone who was murdered by the Irish Republican Army |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 08:52 PM |
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What does Keith Ellison have to do with it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 03:36 PM |
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There's no way Keith Ellison deserved that slam |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 05:20 PM |
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Everyone condemns that act. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 03:28 PM |
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Palestinians & many Righwing "Leftists" are having trouble condemning it as morally repugnant... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 04:10 PM |
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Where do you come up with that claim about Palestinians from? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 04:23 PM |
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I think so. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 04:29 PM |
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It's actually 97% of Palestinians with negative antisemitic views of Jews... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 04:31 PM |
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Have you got a link to the poll itself so I can see the questions? I couldn't track it down... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 05:01 PM |
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See page 23 here... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:26 PM |
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How do you know they're not conflating Jews with Israel? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 05:35 PM |
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Wow, that's pretty desperate. 35% of Arabs within Israel expressed negative antisemitic views |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:42 PM |
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Not at all desperate. How do you know they're not doing exactly what you do? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 05:55 PM |
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So you doubt the conclusions of the PEW pollsters? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:57 PM |
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Are you incapable of what I just posted? Why ask stupid questions that make no sense? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:01 PM |
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So the 35% of Arabs within Israel knew not to conflate, as opposed to all other Arabs polled? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:06 PM |
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It makes sense that Israeli-Arabs would feel more positive towards Israel... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:13 PM |
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The PEW folks claim 97% of Palestinians have negative views of Jews. |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:18 PM |
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And I pointed out the possibility of conflating Jews with Israel... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:22 PM |
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You have no evidence about that "possibility", got it? Maybe you should write to PEW... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:25 PM |
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You have no evidence that it's not the case... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:33 PM |
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It's impossible to disprove a negative. Try again. |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:56 PM |
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I'm not the one who was demanding proof of something... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 07:00 PM |
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Since you believe the possibility exists WRT conflating Jews/Israel, you don't trust PEW findings? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 07:16 PM |
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I really don't understand yr question.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 07:19 PM |
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PEW claims 97% of Palestinians hold negative antisemitic views of Jews. Fact or fiction to you? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 07:22 PM |
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What bits of what I've been patiently explaining to you isn't sinking in? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 07:31 PM |
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You claim you're not questioning the credibility of the poll, but you most certainly are. |
shira |
Mar-14-11 08:55 PM |
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No, I'm not and I explained why very clearly.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 08:58 PM |
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So you don't think PEW took your concern bout conflating into consideration... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:06 PM |
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They sure didn't include it in the questions. Did you even bother reading the questions? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 09:13 PM |
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No. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:55 PM |
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I sentence you to 10 hours of watching PLO/Hamas incitement at PMW and MEMRI... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:59 PM |
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But you don't distinguish between Jews and Israel either, Shira... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:03 PM |
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Prove it then. n/t |
shira |
Mar-16-11 05:00 AM |
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Prove that you conflate Jews and Israel? Are you for real? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 05:01 PM |
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Even that wasn't conflating because it is about Jews... |
shira |
Mar-17-11 03:23 PM |
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The draft resolution was about Israel. You conflated the terms... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-17-11 03:42 PM |
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E.Jerusalem Arab Israeli citizens (about 13,000) can build whenever and whatever... |
shira |
Mar-17-11 06:32 PM |
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You conflated Israel and Jews. The Resolution was about Israel... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-17-11 06:38 PM |
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Your post doesn't address the fact that about 13000 E.J. Arabs are Israeli citizens... |
shira |
Mar-17-11 06:44 PM |
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It most certainly did address that. You just don't seem to want to understand... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-17-11 07:04 PM |
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Pew, is with good reason, one of the most respected entities that conducts polling |
cali |
Mar-16-11 09:06 AM |
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If they are just asked about "Jews", and given no distinctions in the poll between |
Ken Burch |
Mar-16-11 03:07 PM |
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I'm not saying they're stupid at all... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 05:03 PM |
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You can't seriously believe some Palestinians don't know the difference b/w the nation of Israel... |
shira |
Mar-17-11 06:42 PM |
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No, because that's not what I was saying.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-17-11 07:14 PM |
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No. Virtually all condemn it. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 04:26 PM |
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Not the ones who dehumanize all settlers and therefore encourage Palestinian terrorism. n/t |
shira |
Mar-14-11 04:34 PM |
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Opposing the settlements isn't the same as dehumanizing the settlers |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 04:37 PM |
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Mar-14-11 04:46 PM |
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Those words are fair comment on the settlers |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 04:56 PM |
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Really? Even settlers whose family owned land there prior to 1948? Also... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:02 PM |
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That poll is bogus and means nothing. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 05:07 PM |
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The poll can be viewed by anyone interested in post #72 above. Why do you think it's bogus? Also.. |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:29 PM |
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Ken should refuse to answer any of yr 'questions' until you agree to answer questions yr asked... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 05:38 PM |
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Does that go for you too, or are you exempt from answering my questions? n/t |
shira |
Mar-14-11 05:55 PM |
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Don't try changing the subject. Just answer some of the questions you get asked for a change... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 05:59 PM |
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I'm all for answering your questions if/when you answer mine. Deal? n/t |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:08 PM |
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Just answer the questions you've been asked. It's not that difficult thing to do... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:16 PM |
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So you want me to answer you while you continue to evade my questions? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:21 PM |
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I want you to answer the questions you get asked for a change... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:28 PM |
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Answers. Now your turn... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:35 PM |
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See? There was no need to make things so difficult... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:42 PM |
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Hmm, you don't know. So tell me, people working for Arutz Sheva and spewing the party line there... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 06:50 PM |
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That's right. I don't know because I'm not familiar with them or what they've written... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 06:56 PM |
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A reply to Shira's response to this from another thread... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 09:45 PM |
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It is entirely possible. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 10:17 PM |
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Here's a simple question: In what language was the poll conducted? |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 08:50 PM |
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Yes, there must be something wrong with the PEW poll... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 08:59 PM |
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Why is it so vitally important to you to portray Palestinians so negatively? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 09:08 PM |
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Pointing to the effects of relentless state-sponsored PLO/Hamas incitement radicalizing Palestinians |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:34 PM |
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You didn't answer my question. You just kept on repeating the same stuff as before... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 09:41 PM |
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I'm not hostile WRT your questions, just amazed at the mental acrobatics you're going through... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:57 PM |
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Sorry, but you've been very hostile towards any close examination... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:01 PM |
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Not hostile but amused. Tell me, do the 35% of Israeli Arabs who hate Israelis hate themselves? |
shira |
Mar-14-11 10:09 PM |
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Sorry, but I just came from a post where you express outright hostility... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:16 PM |
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Why would respondents confuse Israelis with Jews? There are 2 different Arabic terms distinguishing |
shira |
Mar-15-11 05:02 AM |
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You should be able to answer that question, seeing you also do it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 09:31 PM |
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Please answer the questions asked of you. |
shira |
Mar-16-11 03:45 AM |
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I answered yr question. It's what you replied to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 04:18 AM |
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No you haven't and claiming you did when you didn't is also not answering me. |
shira |
Mar-16-11 04:49 AM |
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I answered you in post 151, even though you refuse to answer a question I asked you elsewhere... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 06:55 AM |
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She thinks the PEW poll totally vindicates the "stall for time and keep building settlements" thing |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:40 PM |
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Is that true about Israeli and Jew being the same in Arabic? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 09:44 PM |
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The crucial question is how the poll was phrased in Arabic. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:53 PM |
#120 |
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Right, best to assume PEW did it wrong. n/t |
shira |
Mar-14-11 10:00 PM |
#125 |
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It really does offend you that 97% of Palestinians may not be raving antisemites... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:05 PM |
#129 |
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LOL...and 35% of Israeli Arabs hate themselves according to the way the poll was maybe conducted... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 10:11 PM |
#132 |
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I wish you'd stop misrepresenting what my view is... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:19 PM |
#137 |
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Let's go slowly. Do you have a problem w/ PEW claiming 35% of Israeli Arabs have antisemitic views? |
shira |
Mar-15-11 04:36 AM |
#142 |
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Here are the poll results showing 84% Palestinian support for terror on a Jewish High School |
shira |
Mar-15-11 08:27 PM |
#148 |
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Why are you talking to yrself? It looks really bizarre! |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 09:34 PM |
#153 |
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Please answer questions asked of you. Let me know when you want to have a real conversation. n/t |
shira |
Mar-16-11 03:34 AM |
#159 |
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You didn't ask me a question. You replied to yr own post and asked yrself... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 04:25 AM |
#163 |
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I have a problem with you falsely claiming Pew claimed something it didn't |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-15-11 09:33 PM |
#152 |
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Come on now. If people have negative views of all Muslims, that doesn't mean they're bigoted... |
shira |
Mar-16-11 03:38 AM |
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You made a false claim. The poll didn't mention antisemitism. You did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 04:29 AM |
#164 |
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Yes, just negative views about Jews, which doesn't = antisemitism in your view. |
shira |
Mar-16-11 05:02 AM |
#168 |
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Why are you totally ignoring what I said to you? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-16-11 06:48 AM |
#169 |
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No. It would be valid to state that 35% of Israeli Arabs have negative feelings |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 10:21 PM |
#138 |
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LOL, so if you have negative feelings toward all Muslims you're not necessarily a hateful bigot? |
shira |
Mar-16-11 03:21 AM |
#158 |
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"negative feelings" is an amorphous term |
Ken Burch |
Mar-16-11 03:04 PM |
#173 |
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Best to assume that the question doesn't necessarily prove what YOU think it proves |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 10:16 PM |
#134 |
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What is the basis for your claim that Arabic uses the same word for "Israelis" as "Jews" ? |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 09:39 AM |
#147 |
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The term "Yahood" is often used interchangeably for both. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-15-11 09:21 PM |
#150 |
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Can you tell me your source for that? |
oberliner |
Mar-15-11 10:39 PM |
#155 |
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I just showed the fatal flaw in the methadology |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:34 PM |
#113 |
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Amazing how PEW doesn't know to do that... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:40 PM |
#114 |
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Actually, that WOULD be a good thing to do. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:44 PM |
#117 |
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Pretty weak, Ken. PEW has been asking these questions for years now... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 09:52 PM |
#119 |
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On this issue, it is entirely possible that they don't |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 09:53 PM |
#121 |
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You know PEW asked the same question of Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians, etc... |
shira |
Mar-14-11 10:02 PM |
#127 |
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If they're conflating Israel and Jews, that's an understandable response... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:09 PM |
#131 |
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Racist? I wouldn't go that far. Biased? entirely possible. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 10:15 PM |
#133 |
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I actually know very little about PEW... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:26 PM |
#139 |
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Wish I could join you, Violet |
Ken Burch |
Mar-14-11 10:31 PM |
#140 |
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Thanks, Ken... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-14-11 10:38 PM |
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What is the source for your claim that settlers are overwhelmingly American immigrants? |
oberliner |
Mar-14-11 06:24 PM |
#89 |
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