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Response to Reply #62
68. Have you got a link to the poll itself so I can see the questions? I couldn't track it down...
Edited on Mon Mar-14-11 05:01 PM by Violet_Crumble
And given what a serious charge is being made, I'm sure you'd have carefully read the poll itself, rather than just relying on what some journalist claims, right?

I don't know enough about the political views of either George Galloway or Yvonne Ridley to know where they fall politically. I'm safe in assuming you base calling people LW or RW solely on whether or not they support Israel. I don't, and find any attempt to divide people into LW and RW based on whether or not they support Israel to be so dismissive of anything else happening in the world to be utterly obsessive in the extreme...
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  -U.S. condemns terrorist attack in West Bank settlement oberliner  Mar-12-11 11:37 AM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-12-11 11:54 AM   #1 
  - same as I been saying Hillary  BetsysGhost   Mar-12-11 11:56 AM   #2 
  - I wonder why the murder of Rachel Corrie and the slaughter of ...  Johnny_dollar   Mar-12-11 12:33 PM   #6 
     - When the Israelis murdered................  Knight Hawk   Mar-12-11 02:29 PM   #10 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-12-11 03:45 PM   #17 
        - Calling them "murders" begs the question  speltwon   Mar-12-11 10:01 PM   #19 
  - If they do not know who did it, how do they know it was a terrorist??  Angry Dragon   Mar-12-11 12:01 PM   #3 
  - Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claims responsibility  oberliner   Mar-12-11 12:10 PM   #4 
  - Thank you  Angry Dragon   Mar-12-11 12:21 PM   #5 
  - If you are not 100% pro .................  Knight Hawk   Mar-12-11 02:34 PM   #12 
     - No - if you slit children's throats while they are sleeping then you are a terrorist  oberliner   Mar-12-11 02:38 PM   #13 
  - American Crickets  TomClash   Mar-12-11 01:48 PM   #7 
  - Nothing about stabbing a 3 month old baby to death in that link  oberliner   Mar-12-11 02:08 PM   #8 
     - . . .  TomClash   Mar-12-11 03:36 PM   #15 
     - That shirt thing is BS  oberliner   Mar-13-11 08:42 AM   #21 
        - You mean the IDF t-shirt thing is a hoax? If so, can you prove it? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 04:03 PM   #54 
     - The baby's throat was cut  VermeerLives   Mar-13-11 05:44 PM   #28 
     - Yes. Was nothing in the link worth condemnation at least?  No Elephants   Mar-13-11 06:02 PM   #29 
     - There are lots of incidents worth condeming  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:57 AM   #34 
     - the link is from march 2 the attacks happened march 12  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 06:49 PM   #95 
  - Too bad Hilary  Scottybeamer70   Mar-12-11 02:26 PM   #9 
  - Hillary sold out  TomClash   Mar-12-11 03:17 PM   #14 
     - The Senate race that she won by over 30 percentage points?  oberliner   Mar-12-11 03:38 PM   #16 
        - You bet!  TomClash   Mar-12-11 08:25 PM   #18 
           - You don't think she would have won otherwise?  oberliner   Mar-13-11 08:37 AM   #20 
              - I'm talking about 2000 not 2006  TomClash   Mar-13-11 11:31 AM   #25 
                 - What do Jewish voters have to do with anything?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:24 AM   #33 
                    - An astonishing question  TomClash   Mar-14-11 09:33 AM   #36 
                       - You have no idea what you are talking about  oberliner   Mar-14-11 09:51 AM   #37 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 09:56 AM   #38 
                             - Sorry - but you are just way off base on this one  oberliner   Mar-14-11 10:58 AM   #39 
  - More American Crickets  TomClash   Mar-12-11 02:33 PM   #11 
  - There are extremists on both sides and your point of your posts is...?  wordpix   Mar-13-11 10:28 AM   #22 
     - Here are your statistics - from Btselem I will let you draw your own conclusions  Agony   Mar-13-11 10:54 AM   #23 
     - . . . your point of the posts is?"  TomClash   Mar-13-11 11:02 AM   #24 
     - Yes, BOTH sides.  No Elephants   Mar-13-11 06:09 PM   #30 
  - nope, no bias here...  fascisthunter   Mar-13-11 12:00 PM   #26 
  - This is horrific  VermeerLives   Mar-13-11 05:41 PM   #27 
  - will Keith Ellison cry over murders thousands of miles away?  azurnoir   Mar-13-11 06:47 PM   #31 
  - The village was Rafah  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:20 AM   #32 
  - well thanks gee but if you read my post then you  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 07:31 AM   #35 
     - Rafah is 30 kilometers south of Gaza  oberliner   Mar-14-11 11:00 AM   #40 
        - and your point is?  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 11:20 AM   #41 
        - You were asking for the specific town where this happened  oberliner   Mar-14-11 11:50 AM   #42 
           - please post a link to them I would like to see them  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 12:08 PM   #43 
              - Ok - here ya go  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:06 PM   #44 
                 - your claim was photo's fromAP these came from a link  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:27 PM   #45 
                 - No idea what you are talking about  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:41 PM   #49 
                 - Even if these photos were from AP, no-one knows the context they were taken in...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 03:43 PM   #51 
                    - Of course they do  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:54 AM   #146 
                       - No, they don't. How do you know the photographer is correct?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:08 PM   #149 
                          - Yes, they do  oberliner   Mar-15-11 10:40 PM   #156 
                             - You don't know that the photographer has captioned it properly...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 10:51 PM   #157 
                             - Email the photographer if you are curious  oberliner   Mar-16-11 07:55 AM   #171 
                                - I'm not curious. I explained to you why caution needs to be taken...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:58 PM   #175 
                                   - I assume that the AFP isn't going to run a photo caption that is fabricated  oberliner   Mar-16-11 05:14 PM   #178 
                                      - You should also assume that they wouldn't do so intentionally...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:34 PM   #179 
                             - Obie, nothing is as it seems and facts aren't facts if they don't conform to the narrative. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 04:56 AM   #166 
                 - here is the link  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:38 PM   #48 
                    - You read that quite frequently?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:42 PM   #50 
                       - I asked because one context is missing , the dates are the ones  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:48 PM   #53 
                          - So what if the photos have a date? Did you read what I said only a post or so back?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #56 
                          - hi Vi  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 04:23 PM   #58 
                             - Hi Az...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:31 PM   #61 
                                - thanks n/t  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 04:34 PM   #63 
                          - Well you could write to the photographer to get more context  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:51 AM   #144 
        - why did you leave out the preceding sentence? and a goodly peice of the one you posted ?  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:44 PM   #52 
           - Someone left out the City? I don't know what that means  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:51 AM   #145 
  - Moreover, did Steve King ever cry over anyone who was murdered by the Irish Republican Army  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 08:52 PM   #105 
  - What does Keith Ellison have to do with it?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 03:36 PM   #47 
  - There's no way Keith Ellison deserved that slam  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 05:20 PM   #71 
  - Everyone condemns that act.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:28 PM   #46 
     - Palestinians & many Righwing "Leftists" are having trouble condemning it as morally repugnant...  shira   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #55 
        - Where do you come up with that claim about Palestinians from?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:23 PM   #57 
        - I think so.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:29 PM   #60 
        - It's actually 97% of Palestinians with negative antisemitic views of Jews...  shira   Mar-14-11 04:31 PM   #62 
           - Have you got a link to the poll itself so I can see the questions? I couldn't track it down...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:01 PM   #68 
              - See page 23 here...  shira   Mar-14-11 05:26 PM   #72 
                 - How do you know they're not conflating Jews with Israel?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:35 PM   #74 
                    - Wow, that's pretty desperate. 35% of Arabs within Israel expressed negative antisemitic views  shira   Mar-14-11 05:42 PM   #76 
                       - Not at all desperate. How do you know they're not doing exactly what you do?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:55 PM   #77 
                          - So you doubt the conclusions of the PEW pollsters?  shira   Mar-14-11 05:57 PM   #79 
                             - Are you incapable of what I just posted? Why ask stupid questions that make no sense?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:01 PM   #81 
                                - So the 35% of Arabs within Israel knew not to conflate, as opposed to all other Arabs polled?  shira   Mar-14-11 06:06 PM   #82 
                                   - It makes sense that Israeli-Arabs would feel more positive towards Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:13 PM   #84 
                                      - The PEW folks claim 97% of Palestinians have negative views of Jews.  shira   Mar-14-11 06:18 PM   #86 
                                         - And I pointed out the possibility of conflating Jews with Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:22 PM   #88 
                                            - You have no evidence about that "possibility", got it? Maybe you should write to PEW...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:25 PM   #90 
                                               - You have no evidence that it's not the case...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:33 PM   #92 
                                                  - It's impossible to disprove a negative. Try again.  shira   Mar-14-11 06:56 PM   #97 
                                                     - I'm not the one who was demanding proof of something...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:00 PM   #99 
                                                     - Since you believe the possibility exists WRT conflating Jews/Israel, you don't trust PEW findings?  shira   Mar-14-11 07:16 PM   #100 
                                                     - I really don't understand yr question....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:19 PM   #101 
                                                     - PEW claims 97% of Palestinians hold negative antisemitic views of Jews. Fact or fiction to you?  shira   Mar-14-11 07:22 PM   #102 
                                                     - What bits of what I've been patiently explaining to you isn't sinking in?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:31 PM   #103 
                                                     - You claim you're not questioning the credibility of the poll, but you most certainly are.  shira   Mar-14-11 08:55 PM   #106 
                                                     - No, I'm not and I explained why very clearly....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 08:58 PM   #107 
                                                     - So you don't think PEW took your concern bout conflating into consideration...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:06 PM   #109 
                                                     - They sure didn't include it in the questions. Did you even bother reading the questions?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:13 PM   #111 
                                                     - No.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:55 PM   #122 
                                                     - I sentence you to 10 hours of watching PLO/Hamas incitement at PMW and MEMRI...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:59 PM   #124 
                                                     - But you don't distinguish between Jews and Israel either, Shira...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:03 PM   #128 
                                                     - Prove it then. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 05:00 AM   #167 
                                                     - Prove that you conflate Jews and Israel? Are you for real?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:01 PM   #176 
                                                     - Even that wasn't conflating because it is about Jews...  shira   Mar-17-11 03:23 PM   #180 
                                                     - The draft resolution was about Israel. You conflated the terms...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 03:42 PM   #181 
                                                     - E.Jerusalem Arab Israeli citizens (about 13,000) can build whenever and whatever...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:32 PM   #182 
                                                     - You conflated Israel and Jews. The Resolution was about Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 06:38 PM   #183 
                                                     - Your post doesn't address the fact that about 13000 E.J. Arabs are Israeli citizens...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:44 PM   #185 
                                                     - It most certainly did address that. You just don't seem to want to understand...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 07:04 PM   #186 
                                                     - Pew, is with good reason, one of the most respected entities that conducts polling  cali   Mar-16-11 09:06 AM   #172 
                                                     - If they are just asked about "Jews", and given no distinctions in the poll between  Ken Burch   Mar-16-11 03:07 PM   #174 
                                                     - I'm not saying they're stupid at all...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:03 PM   #177 
                                                     - You can't seriously believe some Palestinians don't know the difference b/w the nation of Israel...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:42 PM   #184 
                                                     - No, because that's not what I was saying....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 07:14 PM   #187 
        - No. Virtually all condemn it.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:26 PM   #59 
           - Not the ones who dehumanize all settlers and therefore encourage Palestinian terrorism. n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 04:34 PM   #64 
              - Opposing the settlements isn't the same as dehumanizing the settlers  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:37 PM   #65 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 04:46 PM   #66 
                    - Those words are fair comment on the settlers  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:56 PM   #67 
                       - Really? Even settlers whose family owned land there prior to 1948? Also...  shira   Mar-14-11 05:02 PM   #69 
                          - That poll is bogus and means nothing.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 05:07 PM   #70 
                             - The poll can be viewed by anyone interested in post #72 above. Why do you think it's bogus? Also..  shira   Mar-14-11 05:29 PM   #73 
                             - Ken should refuse to answer any of yr 'questions' until you agree to answer questions yr asked...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:38 PM   #75 
                             - Does that go for you too, or are you exempt from answering my questions? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 05:55 PM   #78 
                                - Don't try changing the subject. Just answer some of the questions you get asked for a change...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:59 PM   #80 
                                   - I'm all for answering your questions if/when you answer mine. Deal? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 06:08 PM   #83 
                                      - Just answer the questions you've been asked. It's not that difficult thing to do...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:16 PM   #85 
                                         - So you want me to answer you while you continue to evade my questions?  shira   Mar-14-11 06:21 PM   #87 
                                            - I want you to answer the questions you get asked for a change...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:28 PM   #91 
                                               - Answers. Now your turn...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:35 PM   #93 
                                                  - See? There was no need to make things so difficult...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:42 PM   #94 
                                                  - Hmm, you don't know. So tell me, people working for Arutz Sheva and spewing the party line there...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:50 PM   #96 
                                                  - That's right. I don't know because I'm not familiar with them or what they've written...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:56 PM   #98 
                                                  - A reply to Shira's response to this from another thread...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:45 PM   #154 
                                                  - It is entirely possible.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:17 PM   #136 
                             - Here's a simple question: In what language was the poll conducted?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 08:50 PM   #104 
                                - Yes, there must be something wrong with the PEW poll...  shira   Mar-14-11 08:59 PM   #108 
                                   - Why is it so vitally important to you to portray Palestinians so negatively?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:08 PM   #110 
                                   - Pointing to the effects of relentless state-sponsored PLO/Hamas incitement radicalizing Palestinians  shira   Mar-14-11 09:34 PM   #112 
                                   - You didn't answer my question. You just kept on repeating the same stuff as before...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:41 PM   #116 
                                      - I'm not hostile WRT your questions, just amazed at the mental acrobatics you're going through...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:57 PM   #123 
                                         - Sorry, but you've been very hostile towards any close examination...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:01 PM   #126 
                                            - Not hostile but amused. Tell me, do the 35% of Israeli Arabs who hate Israelis hate themselves?  shira   Mar-14-11 10:09 PM   #130 
                                               - Sorry, but I just came from a post where you express outright hostility...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:16 PM   #135 
                                               - Why would respondents confuse Israelis with Jews? There are 2 different Arabic terms distinguishing  shira   Mar-15-11 05:02 AM   #143 
                                               - You should be able to answer that question, seeing you also do it...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:31 PM   #151 
                                               - Please answer the questions asked of you.  shira   Mar-16-11 03:45 AM   #161 
                                               - I answered yr question. It's what you replied to...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:18 AM   #162 
                                               - No you haven't and claiming you did when you didn't is also not answering me.  shira   Mar-16-11 04:49 AM   #165 
                                               - I answered you in post 151, even though you refuse to answer a question I asked you elsewhere...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 06:55 AM   #170 
                                   - She thinks the PEW poll totally vindicates the "stall for time and keep building settlements" thing  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:40 PM   #115 
                                      - Is that true about Israeli and Jew being the same in Arabic?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:44 PM   #118 
                                      - The crucial question is how the poll was phrased in Arabic.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:53 PM   #120 
                                         - Right, best to assume PEW did it wrong. n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 10:00 PM   #125 
                                            - It really does offend you that 97% of Palestinians may not be raving antisemites...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:05 PM   #129 
                                            - LOL...and 35% of Israeli Arabs hate themselves according to the way the poll was maybe conducted...  shira   Mar-14-11 10:11 PM   #132 
                                            - I wish you'd stop misrepresenting what my view is...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:19 PM   #137 
                                            - Let's go slowly. Do you have a problem w/ PEW claiming 35% of Israeli Arabs have antisemitic views?  shira   Mar-15-11 04:36 AM   #142 
                                            - Here are the poll results showing 84% Palestinian support for terror on a Jewish High School  shira   Mar-15-11 08:27 PM   #148 
                                            - Why are you talking to yrself? It looks really bizarre!  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:34 PM   #153 
                                            - Please answer questions asked of you. Let me know when you want to have a real conversation. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 03:34 AM   #159 
                                            - You didn't ask me a question. You replied to yr own post and asked yrself...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:25 AM   #163 
                                            - I have a problem with you falsely claiming Pew claimed something it didn't  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:33 PM   #152 
                                            - Come on now. If people have negative views of all Muslims, that doesn't mean they're bigoted...  shira   Mar-16-11 03:38 AM   #160 
                                            - You made a false claim. The poll didn't mention antisemitism. You did...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:29 AM   #164 
                                            - Yes, just negative views about Jews, which doesn't = antisemitism in your view.  shira   Mar-16-11 05:02 AM   #168 
                                            - Why are you totally ignoring what I said to you?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 06:48 AM   #169 
                                            - No. It would be valid to state that 35% of Israeli Arabs have negative feelings  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:21 PM   #138 
                                            - LOL, so if you have negative feelings toward all Muslims you're not necessarily a hateful bigot?  shira   Mar-16-11 03:21 AM   #158 
                                            - "negative feelings" is an amorphous term  Ken Burch   Mar-16-11 03:04 PM   #173 
                                            - Best to assume that the question doesn't necessarily prove what YOU think it proves  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:16 PM   #134 
                                      - What is the basis for your claim that Arabic uses the same word for "Israelis" as "Jews" ?  oberliner   Mar-15-11 09:39 AM   #147 
                                         - The term "Yahood" is often used interchangeably for both.  Ken Burch   Mar-15-11 09:21 PM   #150 
                                            - Can you tell me your source for that?  oberliner   Mar-15-11 10:39 PM   #155 
                                   - I just showed the fatal flaw in the methadology  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:34 PM   #113 
                                      - Amazing how PEW doesn't know to do that...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:40 PM   #114 
                                         - Actually, that WOULD be a good thing to do.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:44 PM   #117 
                                            - Pretty weak, Ken. PEW has been asking these questions for years now...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:52 PM   #119 
                                               - On this issue, it is entirely possible that they don't  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:53 PM   #121 
                                                  - You know PEW asked the same question of Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians, etc...  shira   Mar-14-11 10:02 PM   #127 
                                                     - If they're conflating Israel and Jews, that's an understandable response...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:09 PM   #131 
                                                     - Racist? I wouldn't go that far. Biased? entirely possible.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:15 PM   #133 
                                                     - I actually know very little about PEW...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:26 PM   #139 
                                                     - Wish I could join you, Violet  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:31 PM   #140 
                                                     - Thanks, Ken...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:38 PM   #141 
                             - What is the source for your claim that settlers are overwhelmingly American immigrants?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:24 PM   #89 
 

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