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27. This is horrific
Here is a video in the link below from the murder scene. Very graphic so be warned. Family gave permission for it to be posted.

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/03/video-fogel-fa...

Will Keith Ellison cry over this?

The Palestinians in the village handed out candy to celebrate the murders.
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  -U.S. condemns terrorist attack in West Bank settlement oberliner  Mar-12-11 11:37 AM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-12-11 11:54 AM   #1 
  - same as I been saying Hillary  BetsysGhost   Mar-12-11 11:56 AM   #2 
  - I wonder why the murder of Rachel Corrie and the slaughter of ...  Johnny_dollar   Mar-12-11 12:33 PM   #6 
     - When the Israelis murdered................  Knight Hawk   Mar-12-11 02:29 PM   #10 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-12-11 03:45 PM   #17 
        - Calling them "murders" begs the question  speltwon   Mar-12-11 10:01 PM   #19 
  - If they do not know who did it, how do they know it was a terrorist??  Angry Dragon   Mar-12-11 12:01 PM   #3 
  - Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claims responsibility  oberliner   Mar-12-11 12:10 PM   #4 
  - Thank you  Angry Dragon   Mar-12-11 12:21 PM   #5 
  - If you are not 100% pro .................  Knight Hawk   Mar-12-11 02:34 PM   #12 
     - No - if you slit children's throats while they are sleeping then you are a terrorist  oberliner   Mar-12-11 02:38 PM   #13 
  - American Crickets  TomClash   Mar-12-11 01:48 PM   #7 
  - Nothing about stabbing a 3 month old baby to death in that link  oberliner   Mar-12-11 02:08 PM   #8 
     - . . .  TomClash   Mar-12-11 03:36 PM   #15 
     - That shirt thing is BS  oberliner   Mar-13-11 08:42 AM   #21 
        - You mean the IDF t-shirt thing is a hoax? If so, can you prove it? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 04:03 PM   #54 
     - The baby's throat was cut  VermeerLives   Mar-13-11 05:44 PM   #28 
     - Yes. Was nothing in the link worth condemnation at least?  No Elephants   Mar-13-11 06:02 PM   #29 
     - There are lots of incidents worth condeming  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:57 AM   #34 
     - the link is from march 2 the attacks happened march 12  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 06:49 PM   #95 
  - Too bad Hilary  Scottybeamer70   Mar-12-11 02:26 PM   #9 
  - Hillary sold out  TomClash   Mar-12-11 03:17 PM   #14 
     - The Senate race that she won by over 30 percentage points?  oberliner   Mar-12-11 03:38 PM   #16 
        - You bet!  TomClash   Mar-12-11 08:25 PM   #18 
           - You don't think she would have won otherwise?  oberliner   Mar-13-11 08:37 AM   #20 
              - I'm talking about 2000 not 2006  TomClash   Mar-13-11 11:31 AM   #25 
                 - What do Jewish voters have to do with anything?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:24 AM   #33 
                    - An astonishing question  TomClash   Mar-14-11 09:33 AM   #36 
                       - You have no idea what you are talking about  oberliner   Mar-14-11 09:51 AM   #37 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 09:56 AM   #38 
                             - Sorry - but you are just way off base on this one  oberliner   Mar-14-11 10:58 AM   #39 
  - More American Crickets  TomClash   Mar-12-11 02:33 PM   #11 
  - There are extremists on both sides and your point of your posts is...?  wordpix   Mar-13-11 10:28 AM   #22 
     - Here are your statistics - from Btselem I will let you draw your own conclusions  Agony   Mar-13-11 10:54 AM   #23 
     - . . . your point of the posts is?"  TomClash   Mar-13-11 11:02 AM   #24 
     - Yes, BOTH sides.  No Elephants   Mar-13-11 06:09 PM   #30 
  - nope, no bias here...  fascisthunter   Mar-13-11 12:00 PM   #26 
  - This is horrific  VermeerLives   Mar-13-11 05:41 PM   #27 
  - will Keith Ellison cry over murders thousands of miles away?  azurnoir   Mar-13-11 06:47 PM   #31 
  - The village was Rafah  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:20 AM   #32 
  - well thanks gee but if you read my post then you  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 07:31 AM   #35 
     - Rafah is 30 kilometers south of Gaza  oberliner   Mar-14-11 11:00 AM   #40 
        - and your point is?  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 11:20 AM   #41 
        - You were asking for the specific town where this happened  oberliner   Mar-14-11 11:50 AM   #42 
           - please post a link to them I would like to see them  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 12:08 PM   #43 
              - Ok - here ya go  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:06 PM   #44 
                 - your claim was photo's fromAP these came from a link  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:27 PM   #45 
                 - No idea what you are talking about  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:41 PM   #49 
                 - Even if these photos were from AP, no-one knows the context they were taken in...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 03:43 PM   #51 
                    - Of course they do  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:54 AM   #146 
                       - No, they don't. How do you know the photographer is correct?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:08 PM   #149 
                          - Yes, they do  oberliner   Mar-15-11 10:40 PM   #156 
                             - You don't know that the photographer has captioned it properly...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 10:51 PM   #157 
                             - Email the photographer if you are curious  oberliner   Mar-16-11 07:55 AM   #171 
                                - I'm not curious. I explained to you why caution needs to be taken...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:58 PM   #175 
                                   - I assume that the AFP isn't going to run a photo caption that is fabricated  oberliner   Mar-16-11 05:14 PM   #178 
                                      - You should also assume that they wouldn't do so intentionally...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:34 PM   #179 
                             - Obie, nothing is as it seems and facts aren't facts if they don't conform to the narrative. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 04:56 AM   #166 
                 - here is the link  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:38 PM   #48 
                    - You read that quite frequently?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 03:42 PM   #50 
                       - I asked because one context is missing , the dates are the ones  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:48 PM   #53 
                          - So what if the photos have a date? Did you read what I said only a post or so back?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #56 
                          - hi Vi  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 04:23 PM   #58 
                             - Hi Az...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:31 PM   #61 
                                - thanks n/t  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 04:34 PM   #63 
                          - Well you could write to the photographer to get more context  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:51 AM   #144 
        - why did you leave out the preceding sentence? and a goodly peice of the one you posted ?  azurnoir   Mar-14-11 03:44 PM   #52 
           - Someone left out the City? I don't know what that means  oberliner   Mar-15-11 08:51 AM   #145 
  - Moreover, did Steve King ever cry over anyone who was murdered by the Irish Republican Army  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 08:52 PM   #105 
  - What does Keith Ellison have to do with it?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 03:36 PM   #47 
  - There's no way Keith Ellison deserved that slam  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 05:20 PM   #71 
  - Everyone condemns that act.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 03:28 PM   #46 
     - Palestinians & many Righwing "Leftists" are having trouble condemning it as morally repugnant...  shira   Mar-14-11 04:10 PM   #55 
        - Where do you come up with that claim about Palestinians from?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 04:23 PM   #57 
        - I think so.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:29 PM   #60 
        - It's actually 97% of Palestinians with negative antisemitic views of Jews...  shira   Mar-14-11 04:31 PM   #62 
           - Have you got a link to the poll itself so I can see the questions? I couldn't track it down...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:01 PM   #68 
              - See page 23 here...  shira   Mar-14-11 05:26 PM   #72 
                 - How do you know they're not conflating Jews with Israel?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:35 PM   #74 
                    - Wow, that's pretty desperate. 35% of Arabs within Israel expressed negative antisemitic views  shira   Mar-14-11 05:42 PM   #76 
                       - Not at all desperate. How do you know they're not doing exactly what you do?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:55 PM   #77 
                          - So you doubt the conclusions of the PEW pollsters?  shira   Mar-14-11 05:57 PM   #79 
                             - Are you incapable of what I just posted? Why ask stupid questions that make no sense?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:01 PM   #81 
                                - So the 35% of Arabs within Israel knew not to conflate, as opposed to all other Arabs polled?  shira   Mar-14-11 06:06 PM   #82 
                                   - It makes sense that Israeli-Arabs would feel more positive towards Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:13 PM   #84 
                                      - The PEW folks claim 97% of Palestinians have negative views of Jews.  shira   Mar-14-11 06:18 PM   #86 
                                         - And I pointed out the possibility of conflating Jews with Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:22 PM   #88 
                                            - You have no evidence about that "possibility", got it? Maybe you should write to PEW...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:25 PM   #90 
                                               - You have no evidence that it's not the case...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:33 PM   #92 
                                                  - It's impossible to disprove a negative. Try again.  shira   Mar-14-11 06:56 PM   #97 
                                                     - I'm not the one who was demanding proof of something...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:00 PM   #99 
                                                     - Since you believe the possibility exists WRT conflating Jews/Israel, you don't trust PEW findings?  shira   Mar-14-11 07:16 PM   #100 
                                                     - I really don't understand yr question....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:19 PM   #101 
                                                     - PEW claims 97% of Palestinians hold negative antisemitic views of Jews. Fact or fiction to you?  shira   Mar-14-11 07:22 PM   #102 
                                                     - What bits of what I've been patiently explaining to you isn't sinking in?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 07:31 PM   #103 
                                                     - You claim you're not questioning the credibility of the poll, but you most certainly are.  shira   Mar-14-11 08:55 PM   #106 
                                                     - No, I'm not and I explained why very clearly....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 08:58 PM   #107 
                                                     - So you don't think PEW took your concern bout conflating into consideration...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:06 PM   #109 
                                                     - They sure didn't include it in the questions. Did you even bother reading the questions?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:13 PM   #111 
                                                     - No.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:55 PM   #122 
                                                     - I sentence you to 10 hours of watching PLO/Hamas incitement at PMW and MEMRI...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:59 PM   #124 
                                                     - But you don't distinguish between Jews and Israel either, Shira...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:03 PM   #128 
                                                     - Prove it then. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 05:00 AM   #167 
                                                     - Prove that you conflate Jews and Israel? Are you for real?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:01 PM   #176 
                                                     - Even that wasn't conflating because it is about Jews...  shira   Mar-17-11 03:23 PM   #180 
                                                     - The draft resolution was about Israel. You conflated the terms...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 03:42 PM   #181 
                                                     - E.Jerusalem Arab Israeli citizens (about 13,000) can build whenever and whatever...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:32 PM   #182 
                                                     - You conflated Israel and Jews. The Resolution was about Israel...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 06:38 PM   #183 
                                                     - Your post doesn't address the fact that about 13000 E.J. Arabs are Israeli citizens...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:44 PM   #185 
                                                     - It most certainly did address that. You just don't seem to want to understand...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 07:04 PM   #186 
                                                     - Pew, is with good reason, one of the most respected entities that conducts polling  cali   Mar-16-11 09:06 AM   #172 
                                                     - If they are just asked about "Jews", and given no distinctions in the poll between  Ken Burch   Mar-16-11 03:07 PM   #174 
                                                     - I'm not saying they're stupid at all...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 05:03 PM   #177 
                                                     - You can't seriously believe some Palestinians don't know the difference b/w the nation of Israel...  shira   Mar-17-11 06:42 PM   #184 
                                                     - No, because that's not what I was saying....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-17-11 07:14 PM   #187 
        - No. Virtually all condemn it.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:26 PM   #59 
           - Not the ones who dehumanize all settlers and therefore encourage Palestinian terrorism. n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 04:34 PM   #64 
              - Opposing the settlements isn't the same as dehumanizing the settlers  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:37 PM   #65 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-11 04:46 PM   #66 
                    - Those words are fair comment on the settlers  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 04:56 PM   #67 
                       - Really? Even settlers whose family owned land there prior to 1948? Also...  shira   Mar-14-11 05:02 PM   #69 
                          - That poll is bogus and means nothing.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 05:07 PM   #70 
                             - The poll can be viewed by anyone interested in post #72 above. Why do you think it's bogus? Also..  shira   Mar-14-11 05:29 PM   #73 
                             - Ken should refuse to answer any of yr 'questions' until you agree to answer questions yr asked...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:38 PM   #75 
                             - Does that go for you too, or are you exempt from answering my questions? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 05:55 PM   #78 
                                - Don't try changing the subject. Just answer some of the questions you get asked for a change...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 05:59 PM   #80 
                                   - I'm all for answering your questions if/when you answer mine. Deal? n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 06:08 PM   #83 
                                      - Just answer the questions you've been asked. It's not that difficult thing to do...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:16 PM   #85 
                                         - So you want me to answer you while you continue to evade my questions?  shira   Mar-14-11 06:21 PM   #87 
                                            - I want you to answer the questions you get asked for a change...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:28 PM   #91 
                                               - Answers. Now your turn...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:35 PM   #93 
                                                  - See? There was no need to make things so difficult...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:42 PM   #94 
                                                  - Hmm, you don't know. So tell me, people working for Arutz Sheva and spewing the party line there...  shira   Mar-14-11 06:50 PM   #96 
                                                  - That's right. I don't know because I'm not familiar with them or what they've written...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 06:56 PM   #98 
                                                  - A reply to Shira's response to this from another thread...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:45 PM   #154 
                                                  - It is entirely possible.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:17 PM   #136 
                             - Here's a simple question: In what language was the poll conducted?  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 08:50 PM   #104 
                                - Yes, there must be something wrong with the PEW poll...  shira   Mar-14-11 08:59 PM   #108 
                                   - Why is it so vitally important to you to portray Palestinians so negatively?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:08 PM   #110 
                                   - Pointing to the effects of relentless state-sponsored PLO/Hamas incitement radicalizing Palestinians  shira   Mar-14-11 09:34 PM   #112 
                                   - You didn't answer my question. You just kept on repeating the same stuff as before...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:41 PM   #116 
                                      - I'm not hostile WRT your questions, just amazed at the mental acrobatics you're going through...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:57 PM   #123 
                                         - Sorry, but you've been very hostile towards any close examination...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:01 PM   #126 
                                            - Not hostile but amused. Tell me, do the 35% of Israeli Arabs who hate Israelis hate themselves?  shira   Mar-14-11 10:09 PM   #130 
                                               - Sorry, but I just came from a post where you express outright hostility...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:16 PM   #135 
                                               - Why would respondents confuse Israelis with Jews? There are 2 different Arabic terms distinguishing  shira   Mar-15-11 05:02 AM   #143 
                                               - You should be able to answer that question, seeing you also do it...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:31 PM   #151 
                                               - Please answer the questions asked of you.  shira   Mar-16-11 03:45 AM   #161 
                                               - I answered yr question. It's what you replied to...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:18 AM   #162 
                                               - No you haven't and claiming you did when you didn't is also not answering me.  shira   Mar-16-11 04:49 AM   #165 
                                               - I answered you in post 151, even though you refuse to answer a question I asked you elsewhere...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 06:55 AM   #170 
                                   - She thinks the PEW poll totally vindicates the "stall for time and keep building settlements" thing  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:40 PM   #115 
                                      - Is that true about Israeli and Jew being the same in Arabic?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 09:44 PM   #118 
                                      - The crucial question is how the poll was phrased in Arabic.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:53 PM   #120 
                                         - Right, best to assume PEW did it wrong. n/t  shira   Mar-14-11 10:00 PM   #125 
                                            - It really does offend you that 97% of Palestinians may not be raving antisemites...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:05 PM   #129 
                                            - LOL...and 35% of Israeli Arabs hate themselves according to the way the poll was maybe conducted...  shira   Mar-14-11 10:11 PM   #132 
                                            - I wish you'd stop misrepresenting what my view is...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:19 PM   #137 
                                            - Let's go slowly. Do you have a problem w/ PEW claiming 35% of Israeli Arabs have antisemitic views?  shira   Mar-15-11 04:36 AM   #142 
                                            - Here are the poll results showing 84% Palestinian support for terror on a Jewish High School  shira   Mar-15-11 08:27 PM   #148 
                                            - Why are you talking to yrself? It looks really bizarre!  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:34 PM   #153 
                                            - Please answer questions asked of you. Let me know when you want to have a real conversation. n/t  shira   Mar-16-11 03:34 AM   #159 
                                            - You didn't ask me a question. You replied to yr own post and asked yrself...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:25 AM   #163 
                                            - I have a problem with you falsely claiming Pew claimed something it didn't  Violet_Crumble   Mar-15-11 09:33 PM   #152 
                                            - Come on now. If people have negative views of all Muslims, that doesn't mean they're bigoted...  shira   Mar-16-11 03:38 AM   #160 
                                            - You made a false claim. The poll didn't mention antisemitism. You did...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 04:29 AM   #164 
                                            - Yes, just negative views about Jews, which doesn't = antisemitism in your view.  shira   Mar-16-11 05:02 AM   #168 
                                            - Why are you totally ignoring what I said to you?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-16-11 06:48 AM   #169 
                                            - No. It would be valid to state that 35% of Israeli Arabs have negative feelings  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:21 PM   #138 
                                            - LOL, so if you have negative feelings toward all Muslims you're not necessarily a hateful bigot?  shira   Mar-16-11 03:21 AM   #158 
                                            - "negative feelings" is an amorphous term  Ken Burch   Mar-16-11 03:04 PM   #173 
                                            - Best to assume that the question doesn't necessarily prove what YOU think it proves  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:16 PM   #134 
                                      - What is the basis for your claim that Arabic uses the same word for "Israelis" as "Jews" ?  oberliner   Mar-15-11 09:39 AM   #147 
                                         - The term "Yahood" is often used interchangeably for both.  Ken Burch   Mar-15-11 09:21 PM   #150 
                                            - Can you tell me your source for that?  oberliner   Mar-15-11 10:39 PM   #155 
                                   - I just showed the fatal flaw in the methadology  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:34 PM   #113 
                                      - Amazing how PEW doesn't know to do that...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:40 PM   #114 
                                         - Actually, that WOULD be a good thing to do.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:44 PM   #117 
                                            - Pretty weak, Ken. PEW has been asking these questions for years now...  shira   Mar-14-11 09:52 PM   #119 
                                               - On this issue, it is entirely possible that they don't  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 09:53 PM   #121 
                                                  - You know PEW asked the same question of Egyptians, Lebanese, Jordanians, etc...  shira   Mar-14-11 10:02 PM   #127 
                                                     - If they're conflating Israel and Jews, that's an understandable response...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:09 PM   #131 
                                                     - Racist? I wouldn't go that far. Biased? entirely possible.  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:15 PM   #133 
                                                     - I actually know very little about PEW...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:26 PM   #139 
                                                     - Wish I could join you, Violet  Ken Burch   Mar-14-11 10:31 PM   #140 
                                                     - Thanks, Ken...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-14-11 10:38 PM   #141 
                             - What is the source for your claim that settlers are overwhelmingly American immigrants?  oberliner   Mar-14-11 06:24 PM   #89 
 

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