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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
78. You can't keep Egypt a one-party state for decades to come.
And Mubarak is no Attaturk.

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  -Could Syria see an uprising like Egypt's? Not likely. shira  Feb-05-11 07:15 AM   #0 
  - Report: Hizbullah fighters deployed in sensitive areas in Syria  shira   Feb-05-11 07:16 AM   #1 
  - Google Translate: Syria: a thousand Hezbollah fighters to protect the regime and punishing events  shira   Feb-05-11 07:20 AM   #2 
     - Altogether unlikely...  shaayecanaan   Feb-05-11 08:24 AM   #3 
        - Sure sounds like horseshit. nt  bemildred   Feb-05-11 10:02 AM   #6 
  - quote from "Syrias Assad talks of reform as protests loom"  shira   Feb-05-11 09:05 AM   #4 
  - Hard to say.  bemildred   Feb-05-11 10:00 AM   #5 
  - Freedom House rates Syria's human rights situation worse than Egypt's. NT  shira   Feb-05-11 12:01 PM   #9 
     - I am not defending the Syrian dictatorship.  bemildred   Feb-05-11 12:04 PM   #11 
        - I didn't say you were. NT  shira   Feb-05-11 12:15 PM   #12 
  - Egypt proved it  whosinpower   Feb-05-11 10:04 AM   #7 
  - Syria is far more brutal against protests than Egypt has shown to be. NT  shira   Feb-05-11 11:58 AM   #8 
  - It all depends on the loyalty of the military.  bemildred   Feb-05-11 12:03 PM   #10 
     - It's too bad there's no support for Syrian protestors compared to support for Egyptians. N/T  shira   Feb-05-11 03:38 PM   #13 
        - Well, that's an interesting point.  bemildred   Feb-05-11 04:40 PM   #14 
           - You might want to Google the Hama massacre  oberliner   Feb-06-11 06:15 PM   #18 
              - Don't be unpleasant, I haven't accused you of being ignorant. nt  bemildred   Feb-06-11 06:59 PM   #20 
                 - There was no unpleasantness in my post  oberliner   Feb-06-11 08:29 PM   #22 
                    - You implied I don't know about Hama.  bemildred   Feb-06-11 09:52 PM   #24 
                       - Did not know if you knew about it  oberliner   Feb-07-11 08:54 AM   #30 
  - I hope you are right!  LeftishBrit   Feb-06-11 11:15 AM   #15 
  - just dropped by for a second....  pelsar   Feb-06-11 03:00 PM   #16 
  - That was old man Assad...  shaayecanaan   Feb-06-11 06:14 PM   #17 
     - Does it remain to be seen?  oberliner   Feb-06-11 06:17 PM   #19 
     - Would you say poverty has something to do the uprising in Egypt?  azurnoir   Feb-06-11 07:59 PM   #21 
        - Absolutely  oberliner   Feb-06-11 08:31 PM   #23 
        - It depends on how you define poverty...  shaayecanaan   Feb-06-11 11:32 PM   #25 
           - again history is to be ignored...  pelsar   Feb-07-11 12:10 AM   #26 
              - He's actually an opthalmologist...  shaayecanaan   Feb-07-11 01:42 AM   #28 
                 - Don't forget the Kurds. They got gassed you know.  bemildred   Feb-07-11 07:42 AM   #29 
                 - correction on little assads past profession...  pelsar   Feb-07-11 03:21 PM   #32 
                    - In the Middle East, a liberal democracy would be too Zionist...  shira   Feb-07-11 05:33 PM   #34 
                    - 2005: Abbas triumphs in Palestinian elections  azurnoir   Feb-08-11 12:10 PM   #41 
                       - 2005 : Big Hamas win in Gaza's election  oberliner   Feb-08-11 04:04 PM   #44 
                       - that is indeed 'odd':Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, January 27, 2006  azurnoir   Feb-08-11 04:26 PM   #45 
                       - The Guardian, 29 January 2005: Hamas wins Gaza Strip council vote  oberliner   Feb-08-11 09:17 PM   #51 
                          - the Gaza Council was an occupation government , elections were held again a year later when the PA  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 02:37 AM   #58 
                             - An occupation government?  oberliner   Feb-10-11 08:23 AM   #92 
                       - weren't those elections held while Gaza was under total Israeli occupation ?  azurnoir   Feb-08-11 04:31 PM   #46 
                          - "Thousands of Hamas supporters took to the streets of Gaza yesterday to celebrate the victory"  oberliner   Feb-08-11 09:19 PM   #52 
                             - then why were elections held a year later?They were the Gaza Council elections not the PA elections  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 02:35 AM   #57 
                             - Once again you seem to fail to recognize that Israel was in total control and occupation of Gaza  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 02:59 AM   #60 
                                - Total control of Gaza ended with Oslo II in 1995  oberliner   Feb-10-11 06:44 AM   #90 
                       - elections do not define a democracy...  pelsar   Feb-09-11 02:08 AM   #56 
                          - yes much like Israel we're constantly lead to believe that Kadima should  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 02:42 AM   #59 
                             - confused?  pelsar   Feb-09-11 03:23 AM   #61 
                             - South Africa was also a democacy during apartheid  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 08:34 AM   #75 
                                - same confusion.....  pelsar   Feb-09-11 09:06 AM   #76 
                                   - no 'confusion' what so ever at the moment there is no single value at work in Egypt  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 09:31 AM   #77 
                                   - too bad..wrong again  pelsar   Feb-09-11 02:13 PM   #80 
                                      - apparently sarcasm is lost on you my point is that Israel is not afraid  azurnoir   Feb-09-11 03:13 PM   #81 
                                         - no we're not afraid  pelsar   Feb-10-11 12:54 AM   #89 
                                         - well there are some here that at least until very recently pumping the idea  azurnoir   Feb-10-11 12:24 PM   #94 
                                         - then prices go they have been recently  pelsar   Feb-10-11 03:03 PM   #95 
                                   - Israel clearly "neglects" civil rights for its citizens. Does that negate its status as a democracy  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-11-11 05:43 AM   #101 
                                      - which citizens?  pelsar   Feb-11-11 09:25 AM   #102 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-11 09:53 AM   #103 
                                            - i would agree that i am a cultural elitist....  pelsar   Feb-11-11 11:36 AM   #106 
                             - Then again, Kadima is ALSO essentially a right-wing party.  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 03:30 AM   #62 
                                - And the USA is more rightwing than Israel while Egypt has no leftwing. So...? n/t  shira   Feb-09-11 03:42 AM   #63 
                                - Egypt has a huge's part of the democratic revolution that's overthrowing Mubarak  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 03:45 AM   #64 
                                   - Okay, what is their political agenda? What exactly do they stand for? Be specific please. n/t  shira   Feb-09-11 04:08 AM   #65 
                                      - Here is a list of their demands, as quoted by the Associated Press  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:12 AM   #66 
                                         - Doesn't sound any different than what Palestinians wanted 5 years ago, and received with Hamas.  shira   Feb-09-11 04:16 AM   #67 
                                            - Why should I bother with this exchange?  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:25 AM   #68 
                                            - So you're behind an Egyptian political movement that you hope isn't as grossly rightwing as Mubarak  shira   Feb-09-11 04:30 AM   #69 
                                            - You know perfectly well that the revolt against Mubarak is not a call for sharia  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:38 AM   #71 
                                            - So if worse comes to power after Mubarak, it's the will of the people and so be it - right Ken?  shira   Feb-09-11 04:59 AM   #73 
                                            - You can't keep Egypt a one-party state for decades to come.  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 10:56 AM   #78 
                                            - So you're for the will of the people if they vote for theocracy and more conflict vs. Israel? n/t  shira   Feb-10-11 04:59 PM   #96 
                                            - You can't reduce the question to that  Ken Burch   Feb-10-11 11:18 PM   #98 
                                            - Do you believe Kach should be able to run in Israel or the Nazi party in any western democracy?  shira   Feb-11-11 04:13 AM   #100 
                                            - It is NEVER that simple-stop repeating a meaningless question.  Ken Burch   Feb-11-11 10:42 AM   #104 
                                            - You're avoiding the question. Here's another: How is Kach worse than the Muslim Brotherhood?  shira   Feb-11-11 04:23 PM   #107 
                                            - The question is irrelevant  Ken Burch   Feb-11-11 07:41 PM   #110 
                                            - No it's not - and electing a Hamas or MB into power, when such an organization will never allow...  shira   Feb-11-11 08:38 PM   #111 
                                            - I just realized the rhetorical trick you did.  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:35 AM   #70 
                                            - It was no trick, it was a routine Zionist plot.  shira   Feb-11-11 04:47 PM   #109 
                                - so? has right wing coalition...  pelsar   Feb-09-11 05:19 AM   #74 
                                - I accept that the Israeli electorate has the right to make its choices  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:21 PM   #84 
                                - Kind of an oversimplification.  Shaktimaan   Feb-09-11 03:26 PM   #82 
                                - I didn't attribute the entirety of Kadima's creation to racism  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:20 PM   #83 
                                   - Okay...  Shaktimaan   Feb-09-11 05:06 PM   #85 
                                      - He was defeated by Amir Peretz  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 05:32 PM   #86 
                                         - Your view is a little outdated in my opinion.  Shaktimaan   Feb-09-11 06:28 PM   #88 
                                - "which didn't fail to slaughter thousands of innocent Lebanese civilians"  oberliner   Feb-10-11 06:55 AM   #91 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-11 10:48 AM   #93 
                    - Agreed  shaayecanaan   Feb-07-11 06:29 PM   #35 
                       - There is not a "democratic process in Iran which is generally meaningful"  oberliner   Feb-08-11 11:10 AM   #39 
                          - There have been six presidents of Iran since 1980...  shaayecanaan   Feb-08-11 06:21 PM   #47 
                             - Three of those six presidents were elected with over 90 percent of the vote  oberliner   Feb-08-11 06:55 PM   #48 
                                - Perhaps in some cases its because they were the best candidate...  shaayecanaan   Feb-08-11 08:15 PM   #49 
                                   - The "independent human rights activist called Banisdar" was impeached in a year  oberliner   Feb-08-11 09:12 PM   #50 
                                      - You previously implied that Banisadr was illegitimate  shaayecanaan   Feb-08-11 10:04 PM   #53 
                                         - You keep ignoring the presence of the Supreme Leader in each of your posts  oberliner   Feb-08-11 10:29 PM   #54 
                                            - Deeply flawed, extremely flawed, very flawed  shaayecanaan   Feb-09-11 12:03 AM   #55 
                                               - No response, eh?  shaayecanaan   Feb-09-11 06:04 PM   #87 
     - and with the son...  pelsar   Feb-07-11 12:12 AM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-07-11 11:41 AM   #31 
  - Democratically electing another dictator/tyrant for life sucks, don't you think?  shira   Feb-07-11 05:12 PM   #33 
     - A "genuine liberal democracy" can NEVER be created  Ken Burch   Feb-07-11 11:34 PM   #36 
        - It wasn't created by replacing the Czar w/ Stalin, the Shah w/ Khomeini or the PA w/Hamas....  shira   Feb-08-11 04:49 AM   #37 
           - The Tsar WASN'T replaced by Stalin-Stalin came along later.  Ken Burch   Feb-08-11 05:35 AM   #38 
           - Ah - but who installed the Shah?  whosinpower   Feb-08-11 11:46 AM   #40 
           - wasn't the CIA instrumental in installing the Shah's artificial monarchy?  azurnoir   Feb-08-11 12:22 PM   #42 
           - yes  whosinpower   Feb-08-11 12:44 PM   #43 
           - Mussadegh's major crime was nationalizing the oil, which was controlled by the soon-to-be-extinct  Ken Burch   Feb-09-11 04:54 AM   #72 
           - The US assisted Iran in replacing Mossadegh - so an overthrow was most likely inevitable  shira   Feb-10-11 05:01 PM   #97 
              - Nobody in Iran WANTED Mossadegh overthrown  Ken Burch   Feb-10-11 11:19 PM   #99 
           - What about the 1989-90 revolts in Eastern Europe?  LeftishBrit   Feb-11-11 11:09 AM   #105 
              - Ideology vs. Empirical evidence and rational reasoning  shira   Feb-11-11 04:32 PM   #108 
                 - What indicators are you talking about?  Ken Burch   Feb-11-11 08:50 PM   #112 
                    - And yet another strawman, as I've never indicated the protests are a MB conspiracy.  shira   Feb-11-11 10:07 PM   #113 
                       - No, that is NOT a certainty.  Ken Burch   Feb-11-11 10:11 PM   #114 
                          - It's not a certainy because you have blind faith a strong secular/liberal party will emerge.  shira   Feb-12-11 05:45 AM   #115 
  - Syria: 'A kingdom of silence'  bemildred   Feb-09-11 12:32 PM   #79 

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